More of the "who"?

[ehatsumi]

I'll go for frigg

 

[Yes Man]

I still like Odin. What's not to like about a one-eyed shaman god with suicidal tendencies?

 

[ehatsumi]

I still like Odin. What's not to like about a one-eyed shaman god with suicidal tendencies?

haha yeah! i like this statement so much!

odin really did everything to gain those wisdom, like hanging from the world tree yggdrasil for the runes and even sacrificing his (right?) eye for Mimir's well. i wonder whether someone can do that too for wisdom's sake :bow:

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I like Heimdall (hence the username). If only he wasn't a Vanir...

 

[gnostic]

I like Heimdall (hence the username). If only he wasn't a Vanir...

Are you sure?

In all the list in Snorri's Edda, Heimdall was one of those names as Aesir.

And in Gylfagining 27 (Prose Edda, Snorri Sturluson):

There is one called Heimdall. He is known as the White As.

An As is the singular for Aesir, just as a Van is singular for Vanir.

And Heimdall was named as a son of Odin, at the end of Skaldskaparmal 8 (also in the Prose Edda). And being such son would automatically make him a Aesir god, not a Vanir god...unless you can prove the daughters of Aegir and Ran were Vanir deities.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Are you sure?

In all the list in Snorri's Edda, Heimdall was one of those names as Aesir.

And in Gylfagining 27 (Prose Edda, Snorri Sturluson):


An As is the singular for Aesir, just as a Van is singular for Vanir.

And Heimdall was named as a son of Odin, at the end of Skaldskaparmal 8 (also in the Prose Edda). And being such son would automatically make him a Aesir god, not a Vanir god...unless you can prove the daughters of Aegir and Ran were Vanir deities.

I've always connected the nine daughters with Aegir and Ran, and then for some reason Njord and Aegir.

Yeah, my mistake.

 

[Orias]

So who is your favourite Norse/Teutonic god? And who is your favorite goddess? And whatever reason why you prefer any one of them?

Hel, is most definitly my favorite.

Amon Amarth came up with a BA song called Hermod's Ride to Hel- Loki's Treachory in their album "With Oden on our Side".

In their new album they came out with a "Loki's Treachory Part II", it literally brings a tear to my eye.

But besides my obsession with Norse Viking melodic Death metal I'd say Hel is in probably the most powerful possession, I mean come on she rules her own realm, even Oden can't say that (though he is technically the cheif of the Gods).

I had a little difficulty in choosing between Loki and Thor.

I would like to add that Loki was actually a giant and not a God, he was adopted by Oden and seemed to be favored by him in Thor's eyes, hence the "sibling rivalry" and the dawning of the trickster.

Plus, my puppy's name is Loki

 

[Veleda]

Vidar is one of my favorites along with Berchta.

 

[Lind]

I would like to add that Loki was actually a giant and not a God, he was adopted by Oden and seemed to be favored by him in Thor's eyes, hence the "sibling rivalry" and the dawning of the trickster.

Plus, my puppy's name is Loki

Ok, um.
Loki was a god or a jotun(giant), or actually he was both.
His origin was jotun. According to the lore his father was Fárbauti and his mothers name was Laufey or Nál, and Loki has two brothers, Býleistr and Helblindi.

He was not adopted by Odin.
Once upon a time Odin and Loki mixed blood, they made a pact. After this, Loki lives in Asgard as one of the Ásir. Therefore he can also be counted as a god, as he is pretty closely connected to Odin through that blood pact.

And no, there is not a sibling rivalry between him and Thor, as they are not brothers. Loki and Thor are in many tales portrayed as traveling and working a lot together, as friends and as a good team, I think, but they are certainly not brothers.

His tricksterness and other aspects of his personality probably has reasons we don't know, and is probably connected to his purpose/role/function (not to any 'sibling rivalry', lol.)

 

[Orias]

Ok, um.
Loki was a god or a jotun(giant), or actually he was both.
His origin was jotun. According to the lore his father was Fárbauti and his mothers name was Laufey or Nál, and Loki has two brothers, Býleistr and Helblindi.

Yea wikipedia told me the same thing.

Actually Loki was the only one left when Oden defeated the Frost Giants, taking Loki under his wing he essentially raised him becoming a father figure.

He was not adopted by Odin.
Once upon a time Odin and Loki mixed blood, they made a pact. After this, Loki lives in Asgard as one of the Ásir. Therefore he can also be counted as a god, as he is pretty closely connected to Odin through that blood pact.

Actually he was, since like you said Loki and Oden made a blood pact out of the decision to follow and take (which is the essential definition of adopted). Also taking into consideration again that Oden spared Loki's life and raised him, since Oden killed his dad.

And no, there is not a sibling rivalry between him and Thor, as they are not brothers. Loki and Thor are in many tales portrayed as traveling and working a lot together, as friends and as a good team, I think, but they are certainly not brothers.

A full blood, a half blood, or an in law, a brotherhood isn't just described by blood or even necessarily relation.

His tricksterness and other aspects of his personality probably has reasons we don't know, and is probably connected to his purpose/role/function (not to any 'sibling rivalry', lol.)

I'm probably more doubtful of your position than you are, no offense though

 

[Lind]

Actually Loki was the only one left when Oden defeated the Frost Giants, taking Loki under his wing he essentially raised him becoming a father figure.

Um, I haven't heard that before. Well, except from in that Marvel comics and movie. But I would be interested in hearing what other sources you might have on this?

Actually he was, since like you said Loki and Oden made a blood pact out of the decision to follow and take (which is the essential definition of adopted). Also taking into consideration again that Oden spared Loki's life and raised him, since Oden killed his dad.

A full blood, a half blood, or an in law, a brotherhood isn't just described by blood or even necessarily relation.

You are right that the blood oath can be seen as an adoption, because in some texts Loki has been called an óskmaga(wish-son), which can be translated to adopted son. In that case you could be kind of right.
But I have much more often heard the oath described as an oath of blood-brotherhood. That would make him Odins brother-through-blood-oath, not Thors brother. (and technically it would make him Thors uncle? :I ).
But I guess how to view this depends on how the lore is translated and interpreted, and I have yet to see any detailed information on what actually happened that caused the oath between the two.
And, I guess the relation between Loki and Thor the two is close to be that of family anyways.

Haven't heard anything before about Odin killing Loki's father, but I would like to hear where you have that from.
(And the idea of Loki being raised by Odin becomes a bit weird in the context that a part of the oath they had was that Odin would never drink ale unless it was brought to both of them...:sarcastic)

I'm probably more doubtful of your position than you are, no offense though

Um, what?
I'm just not really sure about what you ment by what you said earlier:

...seemed to be favored by him in Thor's eyes, hence the "sibling rivalry" and the dawning of the trickster.

because that depends so much on the question of whether or not one could think Thor and Loki to be brothers and to have any "sibling rivalry". And anyways I would usually try to see the characteristics of a god in a different/bigger perspective than that.

 

[Orias]

Um, I haven't heard that before. Well, except from in that Marvel comics and movie. But I would be interested in hearing what other sources you might have on this?

Gods kill giants, Loki was spared. But touche I guess, I should of thought of that before

You are right that the blood oath can be seen as an adoption, because in some texts Loki has been called an óskmaga(wish-son), which can be translated to adopted son. In that case you could be kind of right.
But I have much more often heard the oath described as an oath of blood-brotherhood. That would make him Odins brother-through-blood-oath, not Thors brother. (and technically it would make him Thors uncle? :I ).
But I guess how to view this depends on how the lore is translated and interpreted, and I have yet to see any detailed information on what actually happened that caused the oath between the two.
And, I guess the relation between Loki and Thor the two is close to be that of family anyways.

This is also considering how much Christianity has impacted the Pagan religions as we see now.

Haven't heard anything before about Odin killing Loki's father, but I would like to hear where you have that from.
(And the idea of Loki being raised by Odin becomes a bit weird in the context that a part of the oath they had was that Odin would never drink ale unless it was brought to both of them...:sarcastic)

Its like where I get everything else from...the internet. Some sources are doubtful, and some are overlooked and I guess that is up to judgement. Probably a bad one on my behalf.

Um, what?
I'm just not really sure about what you ment by what you said earlier:

I just said that I doubt his tricksterness and characteristics aren't because of reasons we don't know. But then again, all we can do is assume certain things from certain stories, because thats what they are. The whys and hows are only necessary in a practical form. Which is again...subject to the invidual.

because that depends so much on the question of whether or not one could think Thor and Loki to be brothers and to have any "sibling rivalry".

Its not really an issue though, Odin took Loki under his wing and perhaps Thor got a little jealous because he thinks Loki doesn't deserve to live among the Gods. They don't try to kill each other which makes it moreso "playful" and in good nature which is why I said "sibling rivalry" because it matches the description of the two's relationship.

And anyways I would usually try to see the characteristics of a god in a different/bigger perspective than that.

Like that we created them? I won't get into that, since it doesn't pertain to the thread