Mormonism????

[SoyLeche]

From this article...

"For many years vital statistics of the United States have shown Utahns to have the lowest overall mortality rates."​

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Dang... And all this time I thought all of us were mortal :areyoucra

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I'm assuming that was just a bad joke, but just in case... if you ever need someone to explain what a mortality rate is, just ask

 

[Mykola]

Can a Mormon answer some my question, please?

What is written in Helamen 12.25, 26?

 

[Booko]

Can a Mormon answer some my question, please?

What is written in Helamen 12.25, 26?

I'm not a Mormon, but did you mean what is the text of Helaman 12:25, 26, or were you asking what that passage means?

If you just want the text, the Book of Mormon is available online for searching on www.lds.org.

 

[SoyLeche]

I'm not a Mormon, but did you mean what is the text of Helaman 12:25, 26, or were you asking what that passage means?

If you just want the text, the Book of Mormon is available online for searching on www.lds.org.

I would point you to Doctrine and Covenants section 19 for at least a partial answer to what I think the question really is. Since the real question wasn't asked, I have to guess.

 

[Mykola]

I'm not a Mormon, but did you mean what is the text of Helaman 12:25, 26, or were you asking what that passage means?

If you just want the text, the Book of Mormon is available online for searching on www.lds.org.

Thank you!

So, here it is...

"26 Yea, who shall be consigned to a state of endless misery, fulfilling the words which say: They that have done good shall have aeverlasting• life; and they that have done evil shall have everlasting bdamnation. And thus it is. Amen"

Let's look also at John 5:29...
"...And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Am I right to suppose that Helaman mentiones John's word to be fulfilled?

 

[SoyLeche]

Thank you!

So, here it is...

"26 Yea, who shall be consigned to a state of endless misery, fulfilling the words which say: They that have done good shall have aeverlasting• life; and they that have done evil shall have everlasting bdamnation. And thus it is. Amen"

Let's look also at John 5:29...
"...And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Am I right to suppose that Helaman mentiones John's word to be fulfilled?

Most likely they were both quoting a much earlier prophet who's writings have been lost to us today.

 

[Booko]

Most likely they were both quoting a much earlier prophet who's writings have been lost to us today.

Or maybe it's like when Jesus quotes Rabbi Hillel who lived 100 years before Him.

 

[SoyLeche]

Or maybe it's like when Jesus quotes Rabbi Hillel who lived 100 years before Him.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. The basic argument that Mykola seems to be making is that:
Since the BoM was written on the other side of the world, its authors wouldn't have access to any writings of the Old World that happened after 600 BC.
Helaman also lived before the coming of Christ, so he would be quoting something that hadn't been written before.

I don't see how that compares very well with Chirst and Rabbi Hillel, since Hillel preceeded Christ and they were in the same general region. I'm probably just missing something. Please explain, if you don't mind.

 

[Booko]

I don't see how that compares very well with Chirst and Rabbi Hillel, since Hillel preceeded Christ and they were in the same general region. I'm probably just missing something. Please explain, if you don't mind.

No, I'm probably just missing something. I didn't know the history of Helaman that you mentioned.

It's just that, having read so many religious texts over the years, there are quotations embeded in any number of places. I tend not to make a very big deal out of such things. Others think they automatically "disprove" the validity of what the speaker was saying.

 

[SoyLeche]

No, I'm probably just missing something. I didn't know the history of Helaman that you mentioned.

It's just that, having read so many religious texts over the years, there are quotations embeded in any number of places. I tend not to make a very big deal out of such things. Others think they automatically "disprove" the validity of what the speaker was saying.

Ok, I was just wanting to make sure.

This argument is used quite often by those who want to prove that the BoM is false. I tend to think that there was probably an earlier text that they are both pulling from, but I start with the assumption that the BoM is true.

 

[Booko]

Ok, I was just wanting to make sure.

Always a good thing.

This argument is used quite often by those who want to prove that the BoM is false. I tend to think that there was probably an earlier text that they are both pulling from, but I start with the assumption that the BoM is true.

Yes, it did have that smell about it. Though sometimes people for earnest reasons run across things like that on some sites, and at least drop in to see if it's accurate. I'm sure it gets tiresome to keep repeating yourself on some subjects.

I used to have a collection of boilerplate responses to things that came up all the time regarding my own. Alas, the importance of backups. My laptop died ages ago, and took the boilerplate with it.

 

[SoyLeche]

Always a good thing.



Yes, it did have that smell about it. Though sometimes people for earnest reasons run across things like that on some sites, and at least drop in to see if it's accurate. I'm sure it gets tiresome to keep repeating yourself on some subjects.

I used to have a collection of boilerplate responses to things that came up all the time regarding my own. Alas, the importance of backups. My laptop died ages ago, and took the boilerplate with it.

I thought the question was going to be something differently - the idea of endless torment and such. That was what my origional response was directed to.

 

[Snowbear]

I'm assuming that was just a bad joke, but just in case... if you ever need someone to explain what a mortality rate is, just ask

Take it as you will..... or maybe just take things a little less seriously and laugh a little

Maybe some frubals will cheer you up

 

[SoyLeche]

Take it as you will..... or maybe just take things a little less seriously and laugh a little

Maybe some frubals will cheer you up

I didn't really need cheering up, but thanks for the frubals anyway. It's just that a large part of my job revolves around mortality rates, so I was just making sure you didn't need help understanding them

Frubals back at ya!

 

[groovyable]

Hello people,

Am looking into Mormonism, and i am concerned about Joesph Smith...
The Bible teaches us that, Satan can appear to us as an angle of light.
And first Peter eight to nine also comes to mind. Am not bashing the LDS faith, am just curious to your thoughts. There isn't a LDS Church in my town, other wise i would go to more about the faith, any help would be grateful. So it looks like am stuck to the www.LDS.org,
Many thanks xxxx

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The Bible teaches us that, Satan can appear to us as an angle of light.

It also says that Satan only comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

 

[SoyLeche]

Hello people,

Am looking into Mormonism, and i am concerned about Joesph Smith...
The Bible teaches us that, Satan can appear to us as an angle of light.

Yes he can. It is a valid concern. All I can say is that what I know comes from the Holy Spirit. Sorry if that isn't a very satisfactory answer, but it's all I've got on that one.

Coincidentally, in the Doctrine and Covenants (a part of the LDS cannon) it describes how to tell the difference between an actual angel and a demon masquerading as an angel: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/129/

And first Peter eight to nine also comes to mind.

Sorry, but I can't seem to figure out what you mean here. I think you forgot part of the refference

Am not bashing the LDS faith, am just curious to your thoughts. There isn't a LDS Church in my town, other wise i would go to more about the faith, any help would be grateful. So it looks like am stuck to the www.LDS.org,
Many thanks xxxx

There probably is an LDS church not too far away though. Go to www.mormon.org and click on the "Worship with us" link at the top.

There are some good apologetics sites too, but remember, these do not represent the church. They may answer some of your questions though:

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.fairlds.org/

 

[groovyable]

Yes he can. It is a valid concern. All I can say is that what I know comes from the Holy Spirit. Sorry if that isn't a very satisfactory answer, but it's all I've got on that one.

Coincidentally, in the Doctrine and Covenants (a part of the LDS cannon) it describes how to tell the difference between an actual angel and a demon masquerading as an angel: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/129/

Sorry, but I can't seem to figure out what you mean here. I think you forgot part of the refference

There probably is an LDS church not too far away though. Go to www.mormon.org and click on the "Worship with us" link at the top.

There are some good apologetics sites too, but remember, these do not represent the church. They may answer some of your questions though:

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.fairlds.org/

Cheers!!thanks for the links and your view point, am looking forward to go to the LDS Church next week! take care x xx

 

[Bishka]

Cheers!!thanks for the links and your view point, am looking forward to go to the LDS Church next week! take care x xx

Have fun going to Church!

 

[Katzpur]

Hello people,

Am looking into Mormonism, and i am concerned about Joesph Smith...
The Bible teaches us that, Satan can appear to us as an angle of light.

I think that the best advice I could give you is to consider the fact that Satan would not waste his time trying to convince people that Jesus is the Christ, the Savior of mankind. The Book of Mormon is 531 pages long. Jesus Christ is mentioned, either by name or by title (i.e. Savior, Redeemer, Son of God) literally hundreds of times throughout the book. The cover page of the book states that it was written to convince both Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ. The subtitle of the book is, "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." Does it really strike you as logical that this is coming from Satan?

And first Peter eight to nine also comes to mind.

Which chapter of 1 Peter?

Am not bashing the LDS faith, am just curious to your thoughts.

You certainly don't appear to be.

There isn't a LDS Church in my town, other wise i would go to more about the faith, any help would be grateful. So it looks like am stuck to the www.LDS.org,

www.mormon.org is a link you can get to from LDS.org, or you can go directly there. It's directed more towards people who want to know about the Church, whereas LDS.org is directed more to members of the Church. There are, of course, other sites, but most of them are apologetic in nature. I'd say that your best bet for accurate information is simply to ask the LDS posters here on RF. There are three or four of us, just chomping at the bit, waiting to answer your questions. It would probably be best if you posted them here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=37