Mormons for Marriage

[Watchmen]

I just found this website and thought it would be interesting to discuss. I still need to go over it so my comments will come later.

Mormons for Marriage » Why We as LDS Church Members Support Marriage Equality

 

[Katzpur]

I ran into that site just a couple of days ago. I was impressed by the author's integrity sense of justice.

 

[misanthropic_clown]

I am just very glad I am not Californian (heck, I am not even American). I don't have to come to terms so directly with the disparity between the churches position and what I truly think is right. I would almost certainly vote against proposition 8, for the same reasons I have highlighted in a few other places on these forums.

It just boils down to whether you think there is a realistic risk the church is in danger of being legally obliged to recognise same-sex marriages. I do not think there is and thus see no need to go down the convoluted route of deciding exactly what rights same-sex couples should be entitled to or not by hammering down a definition of civil unions that would prevent religious organisations having to recognise them(which seems to be most LDS' ideal position).

But I recognise why some people disagree, and respect that.

 

[lilithu]

I came into the LDS forum to start a new thread, but this one will do. I just wanted to express my sympathy to the Mormons here (and everywhere) who did not support prop 8, who favor marriage equality, and who nonetheless are being attacked because of this issue. It's wrong.

I'm so angry. And so embarrassed because the majority of the attackers claim to be liberals and/or progressives. Making sweeping generalizations about any group instead of judging people as individuals by their actions is NOT my definition of liberal!! And I'm sad, because we just elected a leader who asked us to stop the "us versus them" and to reach out to others, and if we can't listen then he will fail.

I think I'm going to take a break from these forums for a while. Just wanted you to know that you do have friends who appreciate your moral courage. :group:

 

[deseretgov]

I'm so angry. And so embarrassed because the majority of the attackers claim to be liberals and/or progressives. Making sweeping generalizations about any group instead of judging people as individuals by their actions is NOT my definition of liberal!!

Of course. You didn't think tolerance went both ways did you?

And I'm sad, because we just elected a leader who asked us to stop the "us versus them" and to reach out to others, and if we can't listen then he will fail.

Yeeeeaaaah. I wont even start on Obama failing.

 

[lilithu]

Of course. You didn't think tolerance went both ways did you?

What is that supposed to mean? :sarcastic

 

[deseretgov]

What is that supposed to mean? :sarcastic

I just mean that many times that Group A demands that Group B accept that what Group A is doing as ok. Group A said that unless Group B accepts them they are intolerant biogots. But at the same time Group A is unable to extent the same tolerance to the views of Group B.

 

[lilithu]

I just mean that many times that Group A demands that Group B accept that what Group A is doing as ok. Group A said that unless Group B accepts them they are intolerant biogots. But at the same time Group A is unable to extent the same tolerance to the views of Group B.

Of course. But you implied that it's something new for me to expect that of Group A. Why would you assume that? :sarcastic (rhetorical question)


Whatever, dude. My post was to the Mormons who did not support prop 8, either in body or spirit, so there is no reason for me to be taking crap from you. Goodbye.

 

[Watchmen]

Of course. You didn't think tolerance went both ways did you?



Yeeeeaaaah. I wont even start on Obama failing.

What's your problem? Lilithu is a friend to those who seek peace and civility in this debate. Maybe you need to go check out the church's position on post-Prop 8 attitudes. It's on the official website.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

I just found this website and thought it would be interesting to discuss. I still need to go over it so my comments will come later.

Mormons for Marriage » Why We as LDS Church Members Support Marriage Equality

Whoo Hoo!! LDS are so awesome! I have to look at this later, but that is so cool!

 

[madhatter85]

Whoo Hoo!! LDS are so awesome! I have to look at this later, but that is so cool!

the is not the work of True Latter-day saints, true LDS members would heed the council of a Prophet of God.

 

[LuisDantas]

I just mean that many times that Group A demands that Group B accept that what Group A is doing as ok. Group A said that unless Group B accepts them they are intolerant biogots. But at the same time Group A is unable to extent the same tolerance to the views of Group B.

How may that possibly apply here? Has anyone attempted to interfere with the rights of marriage among LDS followers? That is the only concrete meaning I can imagine for the part about being unable to extend tolerance to them.

 

[Watchmen]

the is not the work of True Latter-day saints, true LDS members would heed the council of a Prophet of God.

Whether it's no or yes on Prop 8 - LDS is LDS. Church even said so. Why don't you accept that? Why continue hate?

 

[madhatter85]

Whether it's no or yes on Prop 8 - LDS is LDS. Church even said so. Why don't you accept that? Why continue hate?

I don't continue to hate, i never have hated. I just think it is silly that LDS members would NOT Follow prophetic council. your justification for not listening to a prophet of God seems false and hollow.

 

[Watchmen]

I don't continue to hate, i never have hated. I just think it is silly that LDS members would NOT Follow prophetic council. your justification for not listening to a prophet of God seems false and hollow.

I have offered you no justification. You continue to fail to heed the Church's most recent counsel. Come brother! Put away your attacks!

 

[Alizée]

the is not the work of True Latter-day saints, true LDS members would heed the council of a Prophet of God.

If you are going to be that pig-headed, I'll have you read the words of a "true Latter-day Saint"

Salt Lake Tribune

Latter-day Saints are free to disagree with their church on the issue without facing any sanction, said L. Whitney Clayton of the LDS Quorum of the Seventy. "We love them and bear them no ill will."

Before you speak next time, be sure you have both sides of the story and do not claim something to be a fact, when it is not. Thank you.

 

[Worshipper]

the is not the work of True Latter-day saints, true LDS members would heed the council of a Prophet of God.

Hmm. I always thought that true Latter-day Saints were the ones who received the ordinances of baptism and confirmation by those who had authority from God through John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John and then through Joseph Smith, Jr.

Maybe I need to go brush up on my terminology.

 

[Alizée]

Hmm. I always thought that true Latter-day Saints were the ones who received the ordinances of baptism and confirmation by those who had authority from God through John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John and then through Joseph Smith, Jr.

Maybe I need to go brush up on my terminology.

:clap

Exactly.

 

[deseretgov]

Of course. But you implied that it's something new for me to expect that of Group A. Why would you assume that? :sarcastic (rhetorical question)

Obviously we aren't understanding each other. I simply meant that historically tolerance has been used as hypocritically. I didn't mean that you didn't know that, I just meant it as one of those one questions. One of those questions you ask someone who agrees with you to emphasis your own position.

What's your problem? Lilithu is a friend to those who seek peace and civility in this debate. Maybe you need to go check out the church's position on post-Prop 8 attitudes. It's on the official website.

As I said I didn't mean for that statement to go so awry. Maybe it's just the way we communicate around here in Idaho, but that statement would be percieved as civil.

How may that possibly apply here? Has anyone attempted to interfere with the rights of marriage among LDS followers? That is the only concrete meaning I can imagine for the part about being unable to extend tolerance to them.

i simply meant that the homosexual movement wants me to tolerate their lifestyle but they wont tolerate my right to disagree and vote against them. That's not true tolerance.

I don't mean that as an attack, just an observation.

 

[madhatter85]

Hmm. I always thought that true Latter-day Saints were the ones who received the ordinances of baptism and confirmation by those who had authority from God through John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John and then through Joseph Smith, Jr.

Maybe I need to go brush up on my terminology.

all of that does not mean a thing when you do not have your heart in the right place.