Moron Claims Jesus never existed because crucifixion is impossible

[oldbadger]

The History of the Cross Before Jesus

The History of the Cross Before Jesus | eHow

The above 'link' is about symbolic crosses, buddhist,etc
It tells us absolutely nothing about how a condemned person was crucified.

Nietzsche's ancient pics come closest, I reckon.

 

[shawn001]

The above 'link' is about symbolic crosses, buddhist,etc
It tells us absolutely nothing about how a condemned person was crucified.

Nietzsche's ancient pics come closest, I reckon.

I wasn't posting for methods just the info on crosses and history.

The next post I posted was about methods.

 

[shawn001]

The above 'link' is about symbolic crosses, buddhist,etc
It tells us absolutely nothing about how a condemned person was crucified.

Nietzsche's ancient pics come closest, I reckon.

Roman Crucifixion Methods Reveal the History of Crucifixion

Roman Crucifixion Methods Reveal the History of Crucifixion – Biblical Archaeology Society

Taking the source into consideration as well.

 

[Nietzsche]

Well of course Jesus never excited, crucifixion or not.

Please take that somewhere else. We're trying to have a discussion, and we do not need people like you who will inevitably derail with the thread with this kind of stuff.

The step....... I have always believed that it was there to keep the condemned alive. For instance, to finish off a condemned, the legs were broken = no push up = death from lack of air?

We don't know sod all, do we? It's amazing that we just don't know exactly how this fairly common practice was carried out.,

Oh! I see now. I read your post wrong, my bad.

Yes, there was almost certainly a footrest of some kind to help with the weight, to draw out his suffering like a blade.

 

[Nietzsche]

I wasn't posting for methods just the info on crosses and history.

The next post I posted was about methods.

Roman Crucifixion Methods Reveal the History of Crucifixion

Roman Crucifixion Methods Reveal the History of Crucifixion – Biblical Archaeology Society

Taking the source into consideration as well.

Then why do those depictions exist? One of them predates the Nazarene, others no more than 2 or so centuries after his death.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Cross bar or T, I'm more chagrined to hear my JW friends don't believe in Jesus as God or Savior.

 

[shawn001]

Then why do those depictions exist? One of them predates the Nazarene, others no more than 2 or so centuries after his death.

Nietzsche, not sure if your asking me a question. Actually, I am a little surprised there is not more evidence and knowledge about Roman Crucifixion.

I found this as well, but

Roman Crucifixion

and this

Ancient Roman "Crucifixion Spike"
1st - 2nd Century AD

Ancient Resource: Ancient Roman "Crucifixion Spikes" For Sale

and a reference in Pubmed, but not on the methods nor did I look up the source.


The history and pathology of crucifixion.

Abstract
In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries in the 4th century BC, and the Phoenicians introduced it to Rome in the 3rd century BC. It was virtually never used in pre-Hellenic Greece. The Romans perfected crucifion for 500 years until it was abolished by Constantine I in the 4th century AD. Crucifixion in Roman times was applied mostly to slaves, disgraced soldiers, Christians and foreigners--only very rarely to Roman citizens. Death, usually after 6 hours--4 days, was due to multifactorial pathology: after-effects of compulsory scourging and maiming, haemorrhage and dehydration causing hypovolaemic shock and pain, but the most important factor was progressive asphyxia caused by impairment of respiratory movement. Resultant anoxaemia exaggerated hypovolaemic shock. Death was probably commonly precipitated by cardiac arrest, caused by vasovagal reflexes, initiated inter alia by severe anoxaemia, severe pain, body blows and breaking of the large bones. The attending Roman guards could only leave the site after the victim had died, and were known to precipitate death by means of deliberate fracturing of the tibia and/or fibula, spear stab wounds into the heart, sharp blows to the front of the chest, or a smoking fire built at the foot of the cross to asphyxiate the victim.

The history and pathology of crucifixion. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Nietzsche]

Nietzsche, not sure if your asking me a question. Actually, I am a little surprised there is not more evidence and knowledge about Roman Crucifixion.

I found this as well, but

Roman Crucifixion

and this

Ancient Roman "Crucifixion Spike"
1st - 2nd Century AD

Ancient Resource: Ancient Roman "Crucifixion Spikes" For Sale

and a reference in Pubmed, but not on the methods nor did I look up the source.


The history and pathology of crucifixion.

Abstract
In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries in the 4th century BC, and the Phoenicians introduced it to Rome in the 3rd century BC. It was virtually never used in pre-Hellenic Greece. The Romans perfected crucifion for 500 years until it was abolished by Constantine I in the 4th century AD. Crucifixion in Roman times was applied mostly to slaves, disgraced soldiers, Christians and foreigners--only very rarely to Roman citizens. Death, usually after 6 hours--4 days, was due to multifactorial pathology: after-effects of compulsory scourging and maiming, haemorrhage and dehydration causing hypovolaemic shock and pain, but the most important factor was progressive asphyxia caused by impairment of respiratory movement. Resultant anoxaemia exaggerated hypovolaemic shock. Death was probably commonly precipitated by cardiac arrest, caused by vasovagal reflexes, initiated inter alia by severe anoxaemia, severe pain, body blows and breaking of the large bones. The attending Roman guards could only leave the site after the victim had died, and were known to precipitate death by means of deliberate fracturing of the tibia and/or fibula, spear stab wounds into the heart, sharp blows to the front of the chest, or a smoking fire built at the foot of the cross to asphyxiate the victim.

The history and pathology of crucifixion. - PubMed - NCBI

We have only so much documentation of various practices from all corners of history. However, the fact remains that the over-whelming majority of depictions of crucifixion, both before and after the time of Jesus of Nazareth, indicate a crossbeam of some kind. The 'stake' suggestion has only the support of literal definitions of certain words, which falls apart when you realize the frequency they were used to describe other things with only a passing resemblance to the literal definition.