Moses burial place

[Ivan-Michael]

Lets see - he has visions, works magic with magic wands and (dabar) incantations, turns his magic wand into snakes, uses it to bring forth water from the rocks, etc, but he isn't a sorcerer in this text?

He, Aaron, and Miriam where.

Moses and Aaron had a MAGIC WAND. It turned into a snake in Exodus: 4:3, and in 7: 8-13 they have a magic match with Pharaohs magicians, whom do the same spell producing snakes, but Aaron’s magic was stronger.

Numbers 20: 8 - Take the DIVINING ROD and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak POWER WORDS (dabar 1696 &1697) unto the rocks before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water,…

Jacob used magic wands for fertility magic. Genesis 30:37-41

Samuel is a Seer.1 Sam 9:19

Joseph tells us he is a Sorcerer, and he used a scrying bowl.


Gen 44:5 Is not this it in which my lord drinketh, and whereby indeed he divineth? ye have done evil in so doing.

The word “drinketh” is shathah which sends us to 8248 shaqah which means a potion. So he isn’t drinking – he is mixing potions in it and hissing incantations.

Gen 44:15 Said Joseph; Why this action which thou took? Did you not know I (nachash) Hiss/work Incantations? A Sorcerer of renown I am known as!

(1Sa 9:9 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)

First read what some say here, IT'S A STORY,
It never happened in REAL time.
Second, make sure you know what you are reading, know the words.
Ask: what is water?
If you read Hebrew ex 7.9 says Tanin, that is not a serpent, it is a crocodile.
But, apart from that, because it is not real, what does it REALLY mean.
What did the scribes want to convey in the story, NOT FOR OUR BENEFIT, but for those who can SEE.
These books were not written for you, that is why nobody taught you to read it in the right way, when I say you I mean US, all of us, the CHILDREN of ISRAEL.
We are not ISRAEL, get it?
We are the CHILDREN, we are classed as CHILDREN.
The SORCERY you are referring to has different meaning, it is in the LAW.
The TORAH, is a book of LAW.
The TORAH, is ALIVE, TODAY, NOW, within and without us.
Search for meanings.
What is WATER?
What goes on WATER?
A ship, right, and what are ships for? who sends ships on the water?
Merchants,
You guessed right.
So water is?
Commerce! CURRENT Currency, Money, profit, extraction and a bit more.
Water from the Rock:
1. Hit the rock to get water, the teacher used to hit us with a stick to get us to submit to their ideology.
2. today, only speak to the rock, it's enough, everybody is so submissive, no need to hit the kids anymore.
Like in the story, YHVH tell Moses, they are not slaves who are use to be whipped, REALLY?
What did Moses do with the children of israel in the desert?
Turned them into an ARMY, a new religion, ORDER.
pay attention when reading the bible and watch out for the DOUBLE CROSS.
Again think MER-CAHNTS
I am not going to spell out everything, enough clues already, just ask the right questions, don't assume you know the meanings of words used in the bible, ASK, what does serpent mean, what is Baal, who or what is God, lord, Lord God YHVH?
What is it with the 7 days of 'creation', Noah's Ark, 3 days of Grace, Burning Bush,
Above it was said that baal peor is the brother of YHVH, excuse me?
Did they have a daddy?
every letter counts in the Torah, they don't do mistakes.
every important word has a meaning which you don't know.
I was told to PAY ATTENTION, and I'm telling you to do the same, it is not a command
Ex 19.3 תֹאמַר לְבֵית יַעֲקֹב, וְתַגֵּיד לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל. means; tell the "House of Jacob", and COMMAND the Children of ISRAEL aka JACOB.
What is the "House of Jacob"?
What is Jacob? James in English.
the translation in english is confusing, even the Hebrew is confusing when we don't know what we are reading.
When you get the words and the story right your eyes will open.
Nuff said.

 

[Ivan-Michael]

Moses has zero historicity according to historians and archeologist, and scholars claim he is a literary creation. Archeologist wont even look for Moses as to them it is a fruitless pursuit.

Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

Just so you know, Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaanites, and no evidence has ever been found of Israelites existing in egypt as a enslaved race.

William Dever agrees with the Canaanite origin of the Israelites but allows for the possibility of some immigrants from Egypt among the early hilltop settlers, leaving open the possibility of a Moses-like figure in Transjordan ca 1250-1200.[89]

Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.[





Said to have been punished.




You may want to bone up, on your history.

Baal was worshipped by Isrealites for over 600 years as one of there primary deities, from their beginning around 1200 BC all tha way to the implemintation of monotheism after 622 BC around the time of second Isaiah.

He was Yahwehs brother at one point, not a enemy of Israel.

Baal was still worshipped after Israelites switched to monotheism after king Josiah a strict Yahwist forced monotheism on the nation. Despite him forcing monotheism on the people, many worshipped there deities for hundreds of year afterwards, all slowly fading away into history roughly 200-400 BC.





No.





It is symbolism, and metaphor and allegory.

To date you will have as much luck finding him as Abraham.

Think about it.

Why would the two most famous people in the bible that had the utmost value to Judaism and its people, be no where to be found.






Would he have to exist first, to be buried?

The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The consensus among biblical scholars today is that there was never any exodus of the proportions described in the Bible,[15] and that the story is best seen as theology, a story illustrating how the god of Israel acted to save and strengthen his chosen people, and not as history











Im hoping your here to learn. the above is incorrect.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[72] and many other Ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on the cult of the ancestors and the worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[73] The major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period

first you agree that it is a story and then attack me, so who is trying to boss who?
Are you an authority, If I cast a stone are you entitled to follow?
Wake up.
I apologised, are you man enough?
Like Jay said, you over reached.
Read the bible as it should be read and you too could see the script and the MEANING of the script.
I give you a whole new dimention on the bible, unlike everyone else here who is LOST in the story,
So, please, if you can THINK let's think together so we can decipher the meaning of the books, why and for what purpose they were written.
I am not Mr know it all, I need help, I received some help, and rebuke just last summer from all people a taxi driver in Tel Aviv, my brains went spinning, and then I saw it, I had to make some corrections in my thinking.
If it is not history then what is it?
The Torah, the Tanakh and the NT are telling us something, what can we get out of it?
Manners= way of conduct in the TEMPLE, beyond Yakhin and Boaz, not outside in the mud.
These concepts were written by certain people who, unlike us, knew a thing or two.
Now days only a handfull of people can read it correctly, they have to play it correctly on the world's stage, so they are taught to read it as it should be.
It's a Guide book, a Code, a recipe book if you like.

 

[outhouse]

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If it is not history then what is it?
.

It is theology.


It was never ment to be a history book, nor ever intended to be read literally.


It was written in mythology, metaphor, parables, allegory, poems, songs, and in some cases yes history.

Like Jay said, you over reached.

Jay has his opinion, it doesnt mean its the only one nor credible, fact is Jay didnt state his opinion, only attacked mine.

I need help

Thats fine


then first you need to understand the cultures that wrote these beautiful epic pieces, and then understanbd the different cultures who compiled and redacted them over the centuries.

These are, were, private collections of scripture that evolved into their current state.

To understand them, one first has to understand how they were formed and a foundation has to be laid.


Do you understand Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaaites?

 

[Ingledsva]

First let me say I get a kick out of how much junk you try to muddy the waters with. I said they were seers and Sorcerers – and in the story they ARE!

First read what some say here, IT'S A STORY,
It never happened in REAL time.

No kidding – I have said that many times.

Second, make sure you know what you are reading, know the words.
Ask: what is water?
If you read Hebrew ex 7.9 says Tanin, that is not a serpent, it is a crocodile.

Muddy-Muddy. We do not know what “Tanin” meant then. Serpent, Sea Monster, Crocodile, etc. The point here is they were using MAGIC to turn sticks into animals!!!

But, apart from that, because it is not real, what does it REALLY mean.
What did the scribes want to convey in the story, NOT FOR OUR BENEFIT, but for those who can SEE.
These books were not written for you, that is why nobody taught you to read it in the right way, when I say you I mean US, all of us, the CHILDREN of ISRAEL.
We are not ISRAEL, get it?
We are the CHILDREN, we are classed as CHILDREN.

Muddy-Muddy. This is YOUR belief. We know from conversations here that most Christians take these “miracles” as FACT. BUT – again – we were discussing SEERS and SORCERERS in the BIBLE TEXTS! Not what you think the story represents.

The SORCERY you are referring to has different meaning, it is in the LAW.

And that is the kind of BULL I keep hearing from Christians. The Bible says not to do this stuff – and then all the major players DO THIS MAGIC.

The TORAH, is a book of LAW. The TORAH, is ALIVE, TODAY, NOW, within and without us. Search for meanings.
What is WATER? What goes on WATER? A ship, right, and what are ships for? who sends ships on the water?
Merchants, You guessed right. So water is? Commerce! CURRENT Currency, Money, profit, extraction and a bit more.
Water from the Rock:
1. Hit the rock to get water, the teacher used to hit us with a stick to get us to submit to their ideology.
2. today, only speak to the rock, it's enough, everybody is so submissive, no need to hit the kids anymore.
Like in the story, YHVH tell Moses, they are not slaves who are use to be whipped, REALLY? What did Moses do with the children of israel in the desert? Turned them into an ARMY, a new religion, ORDER. pay attention when reading the bible and watch out for the DOUBLE CROSS.
Again think MER-CAHNTS

Muddy-Muddy. Again, your personal opinion – and off topic. I provided Bible text to show they DID use magic and WERE called Seers and Sorcerers.

I am not going to spell out everything,

Funny how you always say that when asked to clarify YOUR - PERSONAL OPINION - OF A TEXT meaning.

enough clues already, just ask the right questions, don't assume you know the meanings of words used in the bible, ASK, what does serpent mean, what is Baal, who or what is God, lord, Lord God YHVH? What is it with the 7 days of 'creation', Noah's Ark, 3 days of Grace, Burning Bush,
Above it was said that baal peor is the brother of YHVH, excuse me? Did they have a daddy?
every letter counts in the Torah, they don't do mistakes. every important word has a meaning which you don't know.
I was told to PAY ATTENTION, and I'm telling you to do the same, it is not a command

Ex 19.3 תֹאמַרלְבֵיתיַעֲקֹב, וְתַגֵּידלִבְנֵייִשְׂרָאֵל. means; tell the "House of Jacob", and COMMAND the Children of ISRAEL aka JACOB.
What is the "House of Jacob"? What is Jacob? James in English.

Here we see for sure you are using PERSONAL interpretation – as you are attaching Christian interpretation to OT texts.

the translation in english is confusing, even the Hebrew is confusing when we don't know what we are reading.
When you get the words and the story right your eyes will open. Nuff said.

LOL! Let me assure you I have the Biblical texts in Hebrew and Greek on my computer.

...Thus to proclaim to the House of Jacob, and announce/explain to the people/Nation of Israel.

כה תאמר לבית יעקב ותגיד לבני ישׂראל׃

 

[outhouse]

Above it was said that baal peor is the brother of YHVH, excuse me? Did they have a daddy?

Yes, El is the father figure.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[72] and many other Ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on the cult of the ancestors and the worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[73] The major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god

Is there part of this you dont understand? I'd like to help but we need to build a foundation to work from.

It states quite clearly a "family"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)

In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Ēl or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit

Ba‘al/Hadad is a few times called Ēl's son rather than the son of Dagan as he is normally called, possibly because Ēl is in the position of a clan-father to all the gods.

 

[outhouse]

Can you address this?

Do you understand Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaaites?

 

[Ingledsva]

Yes, El is the father figure.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[72] and many other Ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on the cult of the ancestors and the worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[73] The major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god

Is there part of this you dont understand? I'd like to help but we need to build a foundation to work from.

It states quite clearly a "family"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)

In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Ēl or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit

Ba‘al/Hadad is a few times called Ēl's son rather than the son of Dagan as he is normally called, possibly because Ēl is in the position of a clan-father to all the gods.

I'm not the one that said that. It was Ivan.

I am well aware of the connections and name changes.

 

[outhouse]

I'm not the one that said that. It was Ivan.

I am well aware of the connections and name changes.

Sorry, my bad.

Accept my apology.

 

[Ivan-Michael]

First let me say I get a kick out of how much junk you try to muddy the waters with. I said they were seers and Sorcerers – and in the story they ARE!

First read what some say here, IT'S A STORY,
It never happened in REAL time.

No kidding – I have said that many times.

Second, make sure you know what you are reading, know the words.
Ask: what is water?
If you read Hebrew ex 7.9 says Tanin, that is not a serpent, it is a crocodile.

Muddy-Muddy. We do not know what “Tanin” meant then. Serpent, Sea Monster, Crocodile, etc. The point here is they were using MAGIC to turn sticks into animals!!!

But, apart from that, because it is not real, what does it REALLY mean.
What did the scribes want to convey in the story, NOT FOR OUR BENEFIT, but for those who can SEE.
These books were not written for you, that is why nobody taught you to read it in the right way, when I say you I mean US, all of us, the CHILDREN of ISRAEL.
We are not ISRAEL, get it?
We are the CHILDREN, we are classed as CHILDREN.

Muddy-Muddy. This is YOUR belief. We know from conversations here that most Christians take these “miracles” as FACT. BUT – again – we were discussing SEERS and SORCERERS in the BIBLE TEXTS! Not what you think the story represents.

The SORCERY you are referring to has different meaning, it is in the LAW.

And that is the kind of BULL I keep hearing from Christians. The Bible says not to do this stuff – and then all the major players DO THIS MAGIC.

The TORAH, is a book of LAW. The TORAH, is ALIVE, TODAY, NOW, within and without us. Search for meanings.
What is WATER? What goes on WATER? A ship, right, and what are ships for? who sends ships on the water?
Merchants, You guessed right. So water is? Commerce! CURRENT Currency, Money, profit, extraction and a bit more.
Water from the Rock:
1. Hit the rock to get water, the teacher used to hit us with a stick to get us to submit to their ideology.
2. today, only speak to the rock, it's enough, everybody is so submissive, no need to hit the kids anymore.
Like in the story, YHVH tell Moses, they are not slaves who are use to be whipped, REALLY? What did Moses do with the children of israel in the desert? Turned them into an ARMY, a new religion, ORDER. pay attention when reading the bible and watch out for the DOUBLE CROSS.
Again think MER-CAHNTS

Muddy-Muddy. Again, your personal opinion – and off topic. I provided Bible text to show they DID use magic and WERE called Seers and Sorcerers.

I am not going to spell out everything,

Funny how you always say that when asked to clarify YOUR - PERSONAL OPINION - OF A TEXT meaning.

enough clues already, just ask the right questions, don't assume you know the meanings of words used in the bible, ASK, what does serpent mean, what is Baal, who or what is God, lord, Lord God YHVH? What is it with the 7 days of 'creation', Noah's Ark, 3 days of Grace, Burning Bush,
Above it was said that baal peor is the brother of YHVH, excuse me? Did they have a daddy?
every letter counts in the Torah, they don't do mistakes. every important word has a meaning which you don't know.
I was told to PAY ATTENTION, and I'm telling you to do the same, it is not a command

Ex 19.3 תֹאמַרלְבֵיתיַעֲקֹב, וְתַגֵּידלִבְנֵייִשְׂרָאֵל. means; tell the "House of Jacob", and COMMAND the Children of ISRAEL aka JACOB.
What is the "House of Jacob"? What is Jacob? James in English.

Here we see for sure you are using PERSONAL interpretation – as you are attaching Christian interpretation to OT texts.

the translation in english is confusing, even the Hebrew is confusing when we don't know what we are reading.
When you get the words and the story right your eyes will open. Nuff said.

LOL! Let me assure you I have the Biblical texts in Hebrew and Greek on my computer.

...Thus to proclaim to the House of Jacob, and announce/explain to the people/Nation of Israel.

כה תאמר לבית יעקב ותגיד לבני ישׂראל׃

Thank you for your reply,

Ex 19.3 תֹאמַרלְבֵיתיַעֲקֹב, וְתַגֵּידלִבְנֵייִשְׂרָאֵל. means; tell the "House of Jacob", and COMMAND the Children of ISRAEL aka JACOB.
What is the "House of Jacob"? What is Jacob? James in English.

Here we see for sure you are using PERSONAL interpretation – as you are attaching Christian interpretation to OT texts.

This is not personal, note the word: 'Tagid' as in ve-tagid, it derives from 'Nagid' and that means a command.
What I write here is not more pesonal than any other the expert's opinions on the Torah.
The fact that you never heard it expressed in such a way should be more of a curiousity for you to perhaps have a look into it, other wise what are we doing here?

My ORIGINAL post asked about Moses burial place, and not about other related stories of Moses, so please stick to the subject, anything else we can discuss in other posts, there's plenty more about Moses, right now it is whay was he buried opposite the house of Baal Peor?

it is also evident that you don't know much about the Law and therefor you 'attack' what you assume (without evidence) are my 'beliefs'.

I am not christian and I doon't subscribe to Christian Jews or Muslim beliefs, I passed beyond that into 'knowing' only facts, and I can not say for sure that what we were told so far about history is correct, in fact it is the opposite.
Most of what we think we know and were told is incorrect, and it was passed on to us with the intention of keeping us blind and with you going off subject demonstrates a certain impulse to divert the topic, please stay on course.



Over all, just for us not to miss the point, Moses was buried,
Why at that particular place?
Why from all places opposite the House of Baal peor?

 

[Ivan-Michael]

It is theology.


It was never ment to be a history book, nor ever intended to be read literally.


It was written in mythology, metaphor, parables, allegory, poems, songs, and in some cases yes history.





Jay has his opinion, it doesnt mean its the only one nor credible, fact is Jay didnt state his opinion, only attacked mine.






Thats fine


then first you need to understand the cultures that wrote these beautiful epic pieces, and then understanbd the different cultures who compiled and redacted them over the centuries.

These are, were, private collections of scripture that evolved into their current state.

To understand them, one first has to understand how they were formed and a foundation has to be laid.


Do you understand Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaaites?

Perhaps for you and many other millions it is theology.
I see it as a script, a guide book, a play. Yes, like a Shakspeare play, this one however, I suspect is to be played on a few levels, the personal, and the 'world's stage, You can also see it in the courts as they 'apply' the 'Law'.
If you can 'see' that you'll start asking, who 'commissioned' these books, who 'published' them and for what purpose?

I do not 'understand' that the israelite evolved from Canaanites or other groups in the area,
I simply don't know.
I can suspect many things, but submitting and believing experts is not my take any more, simply, because I do not trust the 'experts' who wrote books full of disinformation, the stories simply don't add up.
For the same reason as mentioned above, books and ideas in books are deliberate, someone approved it. Someone published it, similar to the hoax documentary films regarding 'history',
The Torah says that Moses was buried opposite the House of Baal Peor, why?
What is so significant about that place? Why emphasise it? Why mention it at all,
The Torah doesn't do random.
Does Rashi tell us the real interpretaion or is someone pulling the wool over our eyes?
Could it be that baal peor is not the 'Bad Guy', if it is not the bad guy, why give it a bad reputation, who is trying to achieve what?

 

[Ingledsva]

...

I do not 'understand' that the israelite evolved from Canaanites or other groups in the area,
I simply don't know.
I can suspect many things, but submitting and believing experts is not my take any more, simply, because I do not trust the 'experts' who wrote books full of disinformation, the stories simply don't add up.
For the same reason as mentioned above, books and ideas in books are deliberate, someone approved it. Someone published it, similar to the hoax documentary films regarding 'history',

Most scholars agree with the Canaanite idea.

And if they were Canaanite - they would have worshipped Ba'al.

Of course we are talking a long time here. They could have been considered Canaanite in their earliest nomadic wanderings.

However, some ancient historians said the Hebrew were a religious group from India, that first settled in Egypt (which would give us the out of Egypt story,) and then in nomadic desert wandering went on to where they are now.

The Torah says that Moses was buried opposite the House of Baal Peor, why?
What is so significant about that place? Why emphasise it? Why mention it at all,
The Torah doesn't do random.
Does Rashi tell us the real interpretaion or is someone pulling the wool over our eyes?
Could it be that baal peor is not the 'Bad Guy', if it is not the bad guy, why give it a bad reputation, who is trying to achieve what?

We don't know what you are trying to get at.

Jericho? Reuben? Che'mosh? Bel-Marduk? Son of El? ELohim?

We know there were a lot of Ba'al compound Hebrew names.

They worshipped Ba'al at Shechem, - God of Covenant.

Are you talking about Moses first declaring the Law there? Deut. 1:5

Or it being opposit where the people first transgressed with Ba'al Sacred Sex worship?An atonement - if you will.

There is even a rabbinical story that says he is burried there so that if any of the Israelites try to sneak in for Sacred Sex they will feel he might be watching from the mountain and be ashamed.

Many of us know these connections.

However we have no idea what you are trying to say - so stop beating around the bush - and tell us - so we can discuss it!

*

 

[Ivan-Michael]

Most scholars agree with the Canaanite idea.

And if they were Canaanite - they would have worshipped Ba'al.

Of course we are talking a long time here. They could have been considered Canaanite in their earliest nomadic wanderings.

However, some ancient historians said the Hebrew were a religious group from India, that first settled in Egypt (which would give us the out of Egypt story,) and then in nomadic desert wandering went on to where they are now.



We don't know what you are trying to get at.

Jericho? Reuben? Che'mosh? Bel-Marduk? Son of El? ELohim?

We know there were a lot of Ba'al compound Hebrew names.

They worshipped Ba'al at Shechem, - God of Covenant.

Are you talking about Moses first declaring the Law there? Deut. 1:5

Or it being opposit where the people first transgressed with Ba'al Sacred Sex worship?An atonement - if you will.

There is even a rabbinical story that says he is burried there so that if any of the Israelites try to sneak in for Sacred Sex they will feel he might be watching from the mountain and be ashamed.

Many of us know these connections.

However we have no idea what you are trying to say - so stop beating around the bush - and tell us - so we can discuss it!

*

you made me laugh, thanks.
I liked the scary Moses freaking any evil doers.
I suspect a double cross, as always, well, almost.
Baal Peor was given a bad name/reputation, but in fact it is the title, Lord of the opening, or Peh Or, something is not right here.
I questioned the story, agonised over it, why was he buried there, who is this Baal pe-or,
was it you who mentioned that he was YHVH brother?
Could be the same guy, Baal Peor is sexual according to the Torah/interpreters,
The scholarly take on the sex worship is evidenced when viewing places of worship, obelisks and domes in public places, fertility symbols, that's fine.
the backside attribute to Baal Peor is a bit trickier.
Both are possible.
the Talmud talks about the backside offerings, I disagree with the last one in the literal sense but conceptually, it very well could be,
It would be the other side of the coin, it's a concept: All knowledge comes from the Emperor, 'the all seeing eye', 'Occulus Omni'.
I'm being cryptic for a reason.
read Moses meeting YHVH face to face which was a boast, something else happened.
The word used was Ahorai Yerau because Moses could never be on the same Level as YHVH, he is not equal, he's been Salvaged as a boy, hence the name Moshe,. salvaged from the water.
YHVH is the Lord, moses is the slave.
Check the pyramidal hierarchy of the Egyptians and the concept will reveal itself.