exchemist
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Ah so this now a pitch for the Jehovah's Witnesses, is it?
But why then do you talk of the "wicked ones" and their "removal"? Whom do you means by wicked ones and what sort of removal do you have in mind?
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But why then do you talk of the "wicked ones" and their "removal"? Whom do you means by wicked ones and what sort of removal do you have in mind?
But if its Yahweh we are talking about it calls into question God's omnipotence if there is anyone God is unable to reform.
capumetu
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Speaking of Christians Jesus said, By their fruits you will recognize them. I think the reverse is true as well. I believe in fact that a wicked one is easier to identify.
capumetu
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Sure God could have made robots Daniel, however He chose to create us in His image, therefore having free will. He will never force or program anyone to be obedient to His laws, but on the same token will not give life to those who choose to disobey them.
exchemist
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Give me an example, then, because I'm not sure I've encountered anyone I would describe as "wicked".
And what sort of "removal" do you have in mind?
capumetu
Active Member
(2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) . . .This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
(Revelation 21:8) . . .as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”
exchemist
Veteran Member
No, I couldn't care less about bible quotations. I'm interested in how your notion works in practice. So what I mean is, give me a real world example of someone you have identified to be "wicked". And then give a real world example of how you would propose to "remove" them.
capumetu
Active Member
I agree with God's method of removal.
exchemist
Veteran Member
OK, so that means this idea of yours that the wicked should be removed is not something that mankind does, but something we leave up to God?
Fine. That's handy, then.
capumetu
Active Member
His method is recorded for us at 2 Thes 1:6-9 which reads:This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
exchemist
Veteran Member
Jolly good.