Jesus offers those things written . Immediately upon receiving him . You can experience the same thing as the ' physical ' examples your given. Your assuming that its only relatable in the past . Or like a menu .
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Meaning of etc. in English
etc.
UK
/ɪtˈset.ər.ə/ US
/etˈset̬.ər.ə/
similar things. It is used to avoid giving a complete list:
We saw lots of lions, tigers, elephants, etc.
More examples
- We have a constant battle against garden pests such as slugs, snails, greenfly, blackfly, etc.
- Pigment is mixed into oil, glue, egg, etc. to make different types of paint.
- We can always see sparrows, robins, blackbirds and starlings, etc. in our garden, and often bluetits and finches.
- They ask for your personal details - age, sex, nationality, etc.
- It's very bad for you because it's full of salt and fat, etc.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. Because there is nothing to support those claims.
Another claim? In the last thread you failed to show why the promises of Christianity are better than promises of Hinduism. Why make another such claim. Also why would we take claims about a person as written by his followers at face value? Why can't I question them?
Hinduism is not personality centric (even if some gurus today often seem larger than life). So I don't know. Maybe let us take Buddha for a like for like comparison?
like I said IF it said claims were true ?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yes. Though you're experiencing these things from what is written not what is given (how I would see it). It's projecting your experiences of love and joy on what's written and then assuming that the inspiration that aligns with your joy and love was given from scripture and not from yourself.
It's the terms you use. For example, I've read the bible and did not relate to it. If jesus gave something, it shouldn't depend on my belief or perception in order to receive it. If the chef gave me food, it would still ease my hunger even if I don't like the food or it wasn't what I ordered. Food is food.
But if jesus' love is dependent on the person, it doesn't sound like "he" gave you something but what you experience you attributed to what is "written" about him. In other words, he didn't actually give you love but you attributed the love you experience as if it were given by him.
I use you meaning people who share the similar views as you not interpreting your personal experiences.
MatthewA
Active Member
Great question. Would agree; that A person can trust in what Christ Jesus has had to say; though in the past He did tell his disciples what they were to do, there is also still something there for us today to learn from Christ Jesus the Lord, and the Son of God by using and reading the Holy bible.
If we take both claims of Hinduism ( who ever we attribute the origins to and compare with Jesus claims ( as both equally valid and true ) Who is most trustworthy ?
If you don't ask for food you don't get it .If you don't receive food you don't experience it . Its the same with Jesus.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well in a hypothetical scenario, that would be different. Anyone who is accurate and reliable with a claim would be regarded as trustworthy.
//Yes. Though you're experiencing these things from what is written not what is given// No you have this backwards. I'm saying its from what's given. What's written is to instruct how to appropriate what's given and explain what's given.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Meaning of etc. in English
etc.
UK
/ɪtˈset.ər.ə/ US
/etˈset̬.ər.ə/
similar things. It is used to avoid giving a complete list:
We saw lots of lions, tigers, elephants, etc.
More examples
- We have a constant battle against garden pests such as slugs, snails, greenfly, blackfly, etc.
- Pigment is mixed into oil, glue, egg, etc. to make different types of paint.
- We can always see sparrows, robins, blackbirds and starlings, etc. in our garden, and often bluetits and finches.
- They ask for your personal details - age, sex, nationality, etc.
- It's very bad for you because it's full of salt and fat, etc.
The meaning of "etc" I already knewBut clear now, if you write "ect" you mean "etc".
Yes if I compare Jesus with Muhammed I can readily see who is most trust worthy given what's written by each person. This is just one comparison with Jesus . I don't see anyone that comes close to Jesus on Charater , how he lived ,and the things he did . ( If we accept what the writings given )
In my view those of Hinduism... specifically the sages who transmitted the primary teachings of Upanisads, Gita and the sutras. I also consider Buddha's words to be very trust worthy.
The context should have helped ?
But clear now, if you write "ect" you mean "etc".
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't see how a narrative of a Christian demigod would be any different than that of a Muslim deity or prophet within each respective narrative.
What exactly makes one more trustworthy over the other?
Both narratives seem equally trustworthy from a hypothetical standpoint.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
But what scripture offers is the menu not the food. You can't get full from reading the menu. Maybe more hungry, yes, but nothing more. So, if I asked you why are you not hungry anymore, and you said "I read the menu," I'd be confused.
In order to be full, you need real food. How do you make real food appear by looking at the menu?
Edit. I ask because I can read the menu myself but if you're full just from reading the menu and I am not, it doesn't mean anything without anything on the table. We're just throwing around words but that's about it.
We can compare the life of Muhammed with the life of Jesus ( granting both accounts to be accurate of said persons ) While were at it . How about Joseph Smith ,the founder of Mormonism?
stvdv
Veteran Member
You ask Jesus, that's why you receive from Jesus
BUT
Others ask:
Muhammad, and receive from Muhammad
Krishna, and receive from Krishna
Rama, and receive from Rama
Sai Baba, and receive from Sai Baba
Buddha, and receive from Buddha
Zoroaster, and receive from Zoroaster
Mother Mary, and receive from Mother Mary
Higher Self, and receive from Higher Self
X, and receive from X
You have asked Jesus, not all the others
Hence you can only 'know' about your experiences with Jesus
And others 'know' about their experiences with other Saints, Avatars, Prophets
Making claims makes no sense, as we are talking about Faith/Experiences, not Science/Claims
The best you can say is "for me, Jesus is most trustworthy, because I have experiences with Jesus"
When you order off the menu real food comes to you . The same principle applies in a sense to Jesus.