Most women are not feminists

[Revoltingest]

Yes, me.

I can only recall seeing one beating.
Two guys squared off on a basketball court.
One punched the other, & I saw the lights go out as he crumpled to the floor.
I don't need to see anyone beaten up ever again.

Looking at one demographic, ie, workers I've hired (who'd discuss such things)....
One gal had her significant other tackle & attack her. The guy was a federal marshall at the prison in Milan, MI.
Another gal assaulted her husband.
Yet another had her husband attack her, but she won that conflict.
Of the guys who worked for me, many have been attacked.
I had a tenant attack me once.

There's far too much violence going on.
Be careful out there, people.

 

[columbus]

Have you ever seen a woman get beat up? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying I've seen it happen to plenty of guys and haven't personally seen it happen to women...

I used to volunteer at Turning Point, a battered women's shelter in southern Indiana. The stories I could tell you would curl your hair.
Tom

 

[PureX]

Most humans are "feminists" in that most humans want to see women treated fairly and equitably by and within their society. Unfortunately, people's view of what is equitable and fair varies from culture to culture and person to person. So although most people are feminists, they may not agree on what that means in practical terms.

 

[Spiderman]

Most humans are "feminists" in that most humans want to see women treated fairly and equitably by and within their society. Unfortunately, people's view of what is equitable and fair varies from culture to culture and person to person. So although most people are feminists, they may not agree on what that means in practical terms.

I'm a feminists going by that definition.

 

[Enoch07]

This view seems flawed to me, framed in this way. Like trying to say that X government has inequitable power distribution between two races, nationalities, groups of religious or classes that Y disadvantaged group is unequal as a value judgement. That's really not what anyone is saying. They're saying Y group doesn't have equal representation and/or

You're talking about millions of people. "Ask any feminist" is not a reliable source for a definitive statement like yours about what the label "feminist" means.

Also, I neither believe that men are above women in terms of value nor that men and women aren't equal, and I strongly align myself with the feminist label. So your generalization is already contradicted here

Answering both of you at the same time.

You sound like a 1st or 2nd wave feminist. Which is fine in my book. Much like Kristina Hoff Sommers of whom I am a big fan! But I am describing 3rd wave feminism.

Thanks to intersectionality racism, sexism, ableism, transphobia, homophobia etc. Are all linked. So if you are guilty of any one of those you are guilty of all them. Example if you say something sexist, ergo you are also a racist etc. Intersectionality + critical race theory applies the power+privelege=oppression model to all of the categories it intersects (feminism, racism, transphobia, etc). These ideologies (intersectionality + critical race theory) are what has ruined modern feminism (3rd wave).

 

[PureX]

I'm a feminists going by that definition.

I expect so.

Do you really think women are 'lesser beings' than men? Less important, and less deserving of respect and consideration? Do you feel they are sometimes mistreated in that way, and that it's unfair? If so, then you are a "feminist".

 

[Spiderman]

I expect so.

Do you really think women are 'lesser beings' than men? Less important, and less deserving of respect and consideration? Do you feel they are sometimes mistreated in that way, and that it's unfair? If so, then you are a "feminist".

No, No, Yes...Correct!

 

[SabahTheLoner]

I'm a woman and I honestly don't understand why a female would be anti-feminist. I've seen and heard a lot of horrible things happen to women simply for the fact that they are women. Women might be feminist in different ways, however all feminists desire equal opportunity for all regardless of gender. This doesn't mean belittling men, rather having men acknowledge that a woman is just as capable of lifting furniture and building houses as most men, especially if she enjoys those activities. (If you insist no one likes to lift furniture, you haven't met my mom).
When any movement turns radical, be it feminism or any other political movement, it creates a barrier as well as misguided intentions. Feminism started with good intentions but became defined by radicalists who held the firm belief that all women were suppressed by the patriarchy.
This doesn't change the fact that there are biological differences between the sexes. Women in general have less muscle mass and weigh less than men, however I do agree that it should not be gender alone that determines how many weights to lift for a test (to go off the OP example). Body weight should be more of a factor. All humans should be able to lift about half their body weight at the least, unless there is a condition that renders them unable to do so. This does mean that women might still be required to lift less on average, but as long as all test takers can lift according to their weight, the test will be fair.
Most women are feminists. Some cannot express that without getting shot. Others diss men because they're angry towards men for being responsible for women's suffering. The truth is that all humans can make other humans suffer, and while most people try to show women that do good things and compare them to men, the truth is women are just as capable as men are for doing things that harm others. Some fail to take this into account. Other simply don't like the truth and want to fully externalize the problem without asking the best way to address the external problem. This can be expressed by both men and women in numerous ways.

 

[YmirGF]

I am a "first wave" feminist, a partial "second wave" feminist, but have some issues with "third wave" feminism. Sue me.

 

[PureX]

I'm a woman and I honestly don't understand why a female would be anti-feminist.

It happens, though, similar to the way some black people come to despise all black people. Or some gay people come to despise all gay people. They project their own self-loathing outward, because they can't deal with it, internally.

Some victims of abuse blame their victimization on their own weakness (gender, sexual inclination, skin color, economic status, and so on), and they come to loathe themselves for being so weak. Then they begin to project that loathing outward, onto anyone they see as a reflection of that same 'loathsome weakness'. They hate in others what they hate in themselves.

 

[oldbadger]

"Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality – but in reality propagates mistrust, tension, and hatred between the sexes."
‘The Ten Most Common Feminist Myths’

Is this true in your opinion?

You post a Thread titled:
Most women are not feminists

....and then in the first paragraph of the OP you change the subject!

So I'll just focus upon the thread title.
Most women (and men) where I live tend not to call themselves feminists, while being 100% dedicated to full and absolute Equality for Gender, Sexual orientation, Marital status, Disability, Age, Race, Creed, Colour, Nationality, Creed, Religion, HLGBTQIA status and more.

My wife, for instance, supports all of the above but just now, when asked, made a face in dismissal of the word 'feminism'.

 

[PureX]

I am a "first wave" feminist, a partial "second wave" feminist, but have some issues with "third wave" feminism. Sue me.

I don't know what any of that means, but it's not for me to decide, anyway. So long as you know.

 

[oldbadger]

It isn't always about what one calls oneself.
I notice that many non-feminists would pass a "feminist" test..

Dammit Revolting..... Just stop postin' stuff that I have to agree with, it's very irritatin'...............

But 'YES'......... whole bunches of folks around here would pass the 'full equality for all tests', whilst showing total boredom with any subject that includes the word feminism.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dammit Revolting..... Just stop postin' stuff that I have to agree with, it's very irritatin'...............

But 'YES'......... whole bunches of folks around here would pass the 'full equality for all tests', whilst showing total boredom with any subject that includes the word feminism.

This might be changing for the better around here.
So it seems.

 

[Enoch07]

Stay home a lot?

To be fair, in this day and age. Your just as likely to see a battered man as you are a battered woman. Men don't report it as often, because of being deemed a wuss. As one of my ex fiance said after she gave me a black eye for making her tea the wrong way once.

 

[Revoltingest]

To be fair, in this day and age. Your just as likely to see a battered man as you are a battered woman. Men don't report it as often, because of being deemed a wuss. As one of my ex fiance said after she gave me a black eye for making her tea the wrong way once.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't know what any of that means, but it's not for me to decide, anyway. So long as you know.

First-wave feminism - Wikipedia
Second-wave feminism - Wikipedia (I'll change my wording to say I am largely a 2nd wave feminist too!)
Third-wave feminism - Wikipedia (Is where I have some issues....)

The moral of the story is that virtually everyone alive is a "1st wave feminist". Not too many would argue against the much needed recognition of women in the period. Likewise, most people, though not all, would be okay with the majority of "2nd wave" feminism. In my view, it is with "3rd wave feminism" that feminism began to come off the rails. ...and that is coming from an angry white older conservative male... *sigh*

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Answering both of you at the same time.

You sound like a 1st or 2nd wave feminist. Which is fine in my book. Much like Kristina Hoff Sommers of whom I am a big fan! But I am describing 3rd wave feminism.

Thanks to intersectionality racism, sexism, ableism, transphobia, homophobia etc. Are all linked. So if you are guilty of any one of those you are guilty of all them. Example if you say something sexist, ergo you are also a racist etc. Intersectionality + critical race theory applies the power+privelege=oppression model to all of the categories it intersects (feminism, racism, transphobia, etc). These ideologies (intersectionality + critical race theory) are what has ruined modern feminism (3rd wave).

Sorry, staff duties delayed my response.

Ok want to point out firstly that I'm not 1st or 2nd wave feminist. More on that later.
But 3rd wave feminism isn't a monolith either. Unlike first wave feminism it is not one single league and movement and none of the actual levies, movements, gender studies or women's issues classes an discussions featured what you described.

Also, second and third wave distinctions are hugely blurred. One of the largest 2nd wave foundations, Feminist Press, is lead by third wave feminist Jennifer Baumgardner, who quotes 2nd wave feminists like Kate Millet frequently, as they agree on a lot of issues.

Where they don't agree isn't on what you mentioned, it's on things like sex positivity. Many 2nd wave feminists would like to see the end of porn while many 3rd wave would like to see the ability to choose to do porn while having all the necessary safety measures in place.

Also things like what I posted earlier,

The way my ideas of feminism work is that it's not just in defense of women. It's in defense of the feminine, something considered by too many people to be a negative, weak thing. And this, what I refer to as Patriarchy, puts women at a significant disadvantage but it also damages men, too.
For example, I think a some degree of homophobia against men stems from an unhealthy view of women. Gay men are seen as 'too feminine' or 'doing things that women should be doing' or 'weak and emotional, like women.'

Is a very 3rd wave concept. Talking about gendered issues instead of just women, which yes, means also talking about trans issues, femininity as viewed by culture and its impact on women AND men, gay and bisexual issues, et al. It's an incredibly diverse topic with diverse views because it's discussing a much more abstract concept than 'women should be able to vote and work.'

Tl;dr Tbh mostly when I see people objecting to 3rd wave feminism, they're objecting to straw versions, or versions built by teens and preteens outside of actual 3rd wave foundations. Because some views of 3rd wave are pretty much the same as 2nd wave but with more focus on LGBT and gender concepts.

 

[Enoch07]

Tl;dr Tbh mostly when I see people objecting to 3rd wave feminism, they're objecting to straw versions, or versions built by teens and preteens outside of actual 3rd wave foundations. Because some views of 3rd wave are pretty much the same as 2nd wave but with more focus on LGBT and gender concepts.

I disagree with you there. I think that most people that object to 3rd wave feminism, object to the extremist element present in it. The Anita Sarkeesians and Krisiti Winters of the world. Just like with religious extremist that tarnish the name of their respective religions. Zealot and extremist feminist are what people tarnish the good works of feminism.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I disagree with you there. I think that most people that object to 3rd wave feminism, object to the extremist element present in it. The Anita Sarkeesians and Krisiti Winters of the world. Just like with religious extremist that tarnish the name of their respective religions. Zealot and extremist feminist are what people tarnish the good works of feminism.

I don't agree, both because extremist and zealot are way too exaggerated terms for people like Anita (who I don't always agree with but would hardly use terms I reserve for people who blow people up) or that young YouTube feminists are any more representative of feminism than than Fred Phelps is of Christianity. Less so even because Westboro is actually a movement, is a household name, and stages large protests in the real world. And I would still chastize anyone for equivocating Westboro with Christianity or even Baptists, because they are a tiny overfocused on minority used to try and justify sweeping generalizatios.