Mother Nature vs. God?

[Thief]

Not everyone has a compelling need to put god anywhere and everywhere they can.

And this was not addressed to me?

Really?

Are you that shallow?

 

[outhouse]

I've seen a myriad of clouds from both sides now to know that the theory of evolution is steeped in enough mystery as to be compared to any established religion.

do you think is is due to a serious lack of education on the subject??

 

[Jordan Robert Wilson]

When evolutionists refer to nature as dictating how we evolve through natural selection, it is not in order to give nature sentience. It is merely a label placed on how things work. Nature is not a deity, at least not in my view (I'm an evolutionist) and not in most other evolutionists' views. It is just a name to refer to the processes which happen independently, usually without any sentient intervention.

 

[Thief]

When evolutionists refer to nature as dictating how we evolve through natural selection, it is not in order to give nature sentience. It is merely a label placed on how things work. Nature is not a deity, at least not in my view (I'm an evolutionist) and not in most other evolutionists' views. It is just a name to refer to the processes which happen independently, usually without any sentient intervention.

So try it.
Take the occasion to replace the word nature....with anything sentient.

Or perhaps you can't do it either.
Believe in something greater than yourself.
That you are not your own handiwork, and this thing called Man is more than accident.

 

[Jordan Robert Wilson]

So try it.
Take the occasion to replace the word nature....with anything sentient.

Or perhaps you can't do it either.
Believe in something greater than yourself.
That you are not your own handiwork, and this thing called Man is more than accident.

Evolution does not state than Humankind is an accident. It is a result, not an end result however, of a process called natural selection.
I have no reason to believe in something greater than myself when the evidence is clearly there for evolution and nothing is there for a higher being.

 

[outhouse]

Believe in something greater than yourself

maybe you could show us someything "real" to believe in

we know evolution is real. It has been observed in labs and is not up for debate.

I believe your deity and creation myth has 0, thats ZERO evidence.

please sing your faith song now its all you have

That you are not your own handiwork

im the handiwork of my parents as you are, no need for magic there

 

[Thief]

maybe you could show us someything "real" to believe in

we know evolution is real. It has been observed in labs and is not up for debate.

I believe your deity and creation myth has 0, thats ZERO evidence.

please sing your faith song now its all you have




im the handiwork of my parents as you are, no need for magic there

I don't believe in magic either.

And the continual asking of evidence...all through this forum, is redundant.
See Webster's.

Faith needs no proving.

 

[Thief]

Evolution does not state than Humankind is an accident. It is a result, not an end result however, of a process called natural selection.
I have no reason to believe in something greater than myself when the evidence is clearly there for evolution and nothing is there for a higher being.

I see you're new here.

 

[PolyHedral]

I don't believe in magic either.

And the continual asking of evidence...all through this forum, is redundant.
See Webster's.

Faith needs no proving.

Then faith might as well be wrong. Arriving at the right answer for the wrong reasons is just as bad as arriving at the wrong answer for perfectly valid reasons.

 

[Thief]

Then faith might as well be wrong. Arriving at the right answer for the wrong reasons is just as bad as arriving at the wrong answer for perfectly valid reasons.

I had that happen to me in algebra class freshman year of high school.
Got the answer right.
Method was wrong...no points.

But to dismiss a belief system because you don't want to play?
That would be wrong.

 

[Gunfingers]

I'm curious, what do you mean by "don't want to play"?

 

[Anonymouse]

jorden robert wilson-Evolution does not state than Humankind is an accident. It is a result, not an end result however, of a process called natural selection.

Who or what decides what is selected? Who or what decides what is natural?

jorden robert wilson-I have no reason to believe in something greater than myself when the evidence is clearly there for evolution and nothing is there for a higher being.

This might be a problem. Though there might be some people who would, I would never ask anyone to believe in something greater (higher) than themselves. There is a lot of creativity evident in nature. Some of it is very stylized. If the possibility exists that there is intelligence behind these designs, I was wondering if the evolutionists were mindful of the practicality and inventiveness connected to the different characters that occupy our planet. Some might refer to this as the Artistic Method.

 

[Thief]

I'm curious, what do you mean by "don't want to play"?

Half of the participants have their own battle cry...
no proof....no God.
They claim for their own...an education.
They claim for their own...understanding.
They claim there is nothing beyond a petri dish...or the grave.
Well if that's all the further they believe they can go....

Science is only a small part of what we are.

But you cannot apply experimentation to your thoughts about God.
Belief systems...matters of faith.... are of mind and heart.

That would be a different.....'game'.

 

[Thief]

This might be a problem. Though there might be some people who would, I would never ask anyone to believe in something greater (higher) than themselves. There is a lot of creativity evident in nature. Some of it is very stylized. If the possibility exists that there is intelligence behind these designs, I was wondering if the evolutionists were mindful of the practicality and inventiveness connected to the different characters that occupy are planet. Some might refer to this as the Artistic Method.

I've done this and got frubals for it.

"You know an artist by His handiwork."

 

[earlwooters]

You are who you are, where you are, and what you are. It matters none at all how you came to be here. You can't live your life in the past, so live for now and what comes after now. The things that were are no more.

 

[Anonymouse]

anonymouse-I've seen a myriad of clouds from both sides now to know that the theory of evolution is steeped in enough mystery as to be compared to any established religion.

do you think is is due to a serious lack of education on the subject??

Yes, most likely from both subjects (religion and evolution).

 

[Anonymouse]

You are who you are, where you are, and what you are. It matters none at all how you came to be here. You can't live your life in the past, so live for now and what comes after now. The things that were are no more.

In part I agree but there are inquiring minds who want to know.
"I don't know" may be an honest answer but it certainly is not a satisfying one.

 

[Jose Fly]

Who or what decides what is selected? Who or what decides what is natural?

No one. If you don't survive long enough to reproduce, your genetic material does not persist into the next generation.

You may as well ask, "Who decides that if I spark two moles of hydrogen and one mole of oxygen, I get mostly water?"

If the possibility exists that there is intelligence behind these designs, I was wondering if the evolutionists were mindful of the practicality and inventiveness connected to the different characters that occupy our planet. Some might refer to this as the Artistic Method.[/QUOTE]
Provide specific examples.

 

[Valjean]

The problem is, this alleged intelligence leaves no evidence of itself. We keep expanding our understanding of the "automatic" mechanisms behind the phenomena we previously imputed to the miraculous intervention of an invisible magician (magic being action sans mechanism, miracle being suspension of natural law)). We keep filling in the gaps and the religious keep finding new ones.

What makes an invisible wonder-worker in the sky a reasonable default position in the absence of understood mechanism? More particularly, what makes your particular wonder-worker sine qua non?

 

[Thief]

The problem is, this alleged intelligence leaves no evidence of itself. We keep expanding our understanding of the "automatic" mechanisms behind the phenomena we previously imputed to the miraculous intervention of an invisible magician (magic being action sans mechanism, miracle being suspension of natural law)). We keep filling in the gaps and the religious keep finding new ones.

What makes an invisible wonder-worker in the sky a reasonable default position in the absence of understood mechanism? More particularly, what makes your particular wonder-worker sine qua non?

Believing in life after death....would be step one.

Automatic mechanisms?.....a design that keeps on going?
Good stuff.

Meeting your Maker...we all do that.

Going to the meeting with denial as your resume?
Good luck with that.