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MTV targets white males

MD

qualiaphile

And people wonder why they voted for Trump?

By targeting one of the largest voting blocs, the Left is shooting itself in the foot. If the Dems want to win in 2020, they would be wise to distance themselves from identity politics that borders on extreme racism, especially with a voting groups as large and active as white males.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I probably agree with most of what this guy says, but I want to address this one point starting at 5:30
"When you say to me explicitly "Black Lives Matter' then what you are saying to me is I don't already think that, and when I say back to you "All Lives Matter" what I am saying is yes, black lives do matter however they don't matter any more or less than anyone else's lives

So I think that so many people still don't understand "Black Lives Matter". If you are like this person (the Amazing Atheist btw) and think that when people say this they are talking directly to you, then you need to get over yourself, the Amazing Atheist needs to get over himself on this issue. When someone says "Black Lives Matter" they are not saying to you that you don't already think that, they are not talking to you. But you need to understand that there really are lots of people out there who really think that black lives do not matter. And there really is a justice system that reinforces the idea that Back lives do not matter. When a police officer gets away with murdering a black person, the courts are saying that black lives do not matter. When a judge lets off a white rapist with an incredibly light sentence because he does not want to ruin the white swimmer's life, but will still give a harsher sentence a black person for the same crime that judge is saying that black lives don't matter. And generally when black people get incarcerated at a higher rate than whites for drug use when whites use drugs at the same rate, the courts are saying that Black lives do not matter.

So that is why it is necessary to explicitly say "Black Lives Matter". And if you want to respond by saying "All Lives Matter", fine. But for white people this was never a question. And blue lives matter was never a question. "Black Lives Matter" was, and still in in question. So we need to say it, explicitly.




So please, call me a SJW. That will not hurt my feelings.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Long haired whiney white males, looking like they just got finished watching comic book men, make themselves pretty easy targets.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
The message is really "black lives matter TOO." This would be much more readily digestible and accepted if they didn't choose criminals and miscreants as their poster boys for their cause. When you're starting from the narrative that Michael Brown was an innocent child gunned down in cold blood by an evil, racist cop, you're not going to convince anyone who has a brain on their neck.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
The message is really "black lives matter TOO." This would be much more readily digestible and accepted if they didn't choose criminals and miscreants as their poster boys for their cause. When you're starting from the narrative that Michael Brown was an innocent child gunned down in cold blood by an evil, racist cop, you're not going to convince anyone who has a brain on their neck.
If I told you my car was red, would you think I was saying that my car is the only red car? Or would you assume that my red car is the only red object in existence?

Black Lives Matter is an explicit statement, but it is not an exclusive one.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I understand the point of your analogy, yet I find it not apt in any meaningful way. Saying that your car is red is devoid of any emotional content, and has no societal history to give it a substantive context. Comparing an informationally-neutral statement to a highly-charged statement on a number of levels, both socially and emotionally, invalidates the analogy in any meaningful way.

That aside, I think I do understand your point. However, it still doesn't address my main point that the primary message, however it's stated, is less a matter of semantics, and more a matter of supporting content. Using proven criminals as your examples, regardless of colored rhetoric, doesn't serve to convey your intended message. If your goal is actually to make people aware of injustices, then use the available examples that people can identify with.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

And people wonder why they voted for Trump?

By targeting one of the largest voting blocs, the Left is shooting itself in the foot. If the Dems want to win in 2020, they would be wise to distance themselves from identity politics that borders on extreme racism, especially with a voting groups as large and active as white males.
I saw that in the news too.
Many of us are getting quite a hoot from it.
It's absolutely hilarious to see these 'progressives' exhibiting racism & sexism without even realizing it.
To celebrate this, we've been ramping up our mansplaining & manspreading.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I feel that I need to point out that these MTV people do not speak for all progressives.
My single type (ironic sense) quotation marks bracketing the word were to indicate a
challenge to whether they were really progressive. So yes, I sympathize with you.
After all, I recently took some test which pronounced me as "ultra-progressive".
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
My single type quotation marks bracketing the word were to indicate a challenge
to whether they were really progressive. So yes, I sympathize with you.
After all, I recently took some test which pronounced me as "ultra-progressive".
Whatever you are rev, I am sure you are an ultra one. :D
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
I probably agree with most of what this guy says, but I want to address this one point starting at 5:30


So I think that so many people still don't understand "Black Lives Matter". If you are like this person (the Amazing Atheist btw) and think that when people say this they are talking directly to you, then you need to get over yourself, the Amazing Atheist needs to get over himself on this issue. When someone says "Black Lives Matter" they are not saying to you that you don't already think that, they are not talking to you. But you need to understand that there really are lots of people out there who really think that black lives do not matter.

Would you concede that some of these people are black?

Otherwise, I'd like to understand what you mean by a lot of people. I mean you say I need to understand this, and yet I'm unaware of anyone I've met that concludes as such, so if there's a lot of people like this, I'd like to hear of where they are, how we might identify them.

And there really is a justice system that reinforces the idea that Back lives do not matter.

Based partially on spin, and based partially on the idea that actual racists have infiltrated our justice system. But is again an idea that I'd like to understand how we could identify such people? Is it based on what they say, or what they do? If it is only on what they do, and then only after the fact, it leads to the question I asked above.

When a police officer gets away with murdering a black person, the courts are saying that black lives do not matter.

This would be the spin. For the same holds true with all persons murdered by police and the police get away with it, we can then conclude (falsely) that no lives matter to the police, or conclude (more accurately) that regardless of race, if you are near a police officer, regardless of your race, and are not fully compliant with that officer (racist or not), you might be in a dangerous situation where the officer of the state will be determined the righteous actor in the situation given the nature of their job. If fully compliant and make it out alive, you stand to benefit if it can be shown how inappropriate and/or uncalled for the officer's actions were.

When a judge lets off a white rapist with an incredibly light sentence because he does not want to ruin the white swimmer's life, but will still give a harsher sentence a black person for the same crime that judge is saying that black lives don't matter.

Again, this is spin. At best, it is about one judge that from what I recall from RW media was lambasted and ridiculed for his light sentence to the white defendant. Even MSM was lightly ridiculing it, but more interested in exploring it as latest drama for us to behold. RW tends to not like lenient judges regardless of where they reside. So, the RW side of things will be saying treat all convicted criminals with as harsh as the penalty of law permits, regardless of race. Whereas I see LW side of things suggesting routinely that there are mitigating circumstances and those really really really need to be considered during the trial and sentencing. A smart lawyer will know the type of judge they are going against and frame their entire defense in lieu of that.

And generally when black people get incarcerated at a higher rate than whites for drug use when whites use drugs at the same rate, the courts are saying that Black lives do not matter.

This one is more challenging to argue against, but not when making it about black lives, vs. black criminals. Me, I'm pretty much pro legalization of all drugs, so I'd advocate lighter sentences across the board, or full pardons. Another person (regardless of race) may think all drugs, sold on the street, are evil and penalties across the board ought to be harsh.

In essence though, as other posts in this thread have noted, this comes down to how we treat unlawful people in society and how much race plays a factor. In my awareness, white people tend to be fully compliant when an officer is around whereas some black people tend to be rebellious, thinking it a good / wise defense seeing that some cops are rather zealous in their approach to any person on the street. But we also find context of scene matters, such that an officer in Mayberry is likely to be friendly, perhaps naive toward any person on their street while officer in L.A. central is going to be harsh and ready with hand on gun should anyone choose to act the fool. One might think if BLM is to be fully accepted then all (or for sure most) black people would be appear to be fully compliant whenever an officer is around, even if they are inherently racist. If instead, they are going to maintain swaggered demeanor and elevate street cred above full compliance with the law, then are we to blame the allegedly inherently racist criminal justice system for such reactions by the police to those individuals? I'd like to see how any non-police person handles that situation? Is it via intimidation and kowtowing to the street cred level of authority or is it something else? If something else, please explain, for it might make for a good chuckle.

So that is why it is necessary to explicitly say "Black Lives Matter". And if you want to respond by saying "All Lives Matter", fine. But for white people this was never a question. And blue lives matter was never a question. "Black Lives Matter" was, and still in in question. So we need to say it, explicitly.

And some of us will continue to differ, and think BLM comes across as inherently racist as saying WLM would to anyone.
 

MD

qualiaphile
I would say the same of The Republican party but unsurprisingly the right of RF hopped on board without issue.

But like I'm not white and since racism is a product of white power and white privilege, all non whites are incapable of it. Thus it makes your argument against me moot.

/S
 

MD

qualiaphile
So... I'm wrong... why? :rolleyes:

According to liberal logic, cuz I'm not white.

According to evidence, I haven't made a single racist post ever. In fact I'm calling out the left on its own racist bull****.

If far right ideologues gain power I would be targeted, you would not.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
NPR was going on about us today.
It seems that the cause of Trump winning is white males, those angry ones.
And our anger is linked to increased violence against all sorts of protected groups they say.
(Although NPR doesn't mention that many of these 'victims' eventually admitted lying about the assault.)

Apparently, what characterizes white males (non-Democrats) is "anger".
First Nation aboriginal Americans are "noble".
Black folk are "endangered", but have a "rich culture".
Women (of all races) are "powerful".
Asians are "hard working".
And Canuckistanians are "nice".
But we're only "angry".....or "privileged"....or sometimes "deporable".

In discussions today & before, I've found that a great many women voted for Trump.
Some are even angry at the prospect of the Clintons' entitlement to the White House.
But it's odd that NPR & other liberal news media continually make it only about
being white, male & angry.
Why?
It's a way to delegitimize our us & our reasons for voting for Trump & against Hillary.
Our voting differently from them is wrong....an unforgivable personal failure on our part.
Yet millions of women who voted for him are ignored.....it wouldn't be PC to blame them.
This is clearly racism & sexism fueled propaganda...desperately trying to blame someone
other than Hillary for what is simply her personal failure to inspire voters.

Now, after that wall of text, I have a picture.....
Clinton-Propped-NRD-6001.jpg
 
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