Muhammad a pedophile? how?

[scanz0r]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

 

[Altfish]

There didn't used to be laws saying you couldn't keep slaves. It doesn't make it right.

 

[Ultimatum]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

There is a reason that there are ages of consent in most scientific, progressive first-world countries. Factors such as lack of education about safe conduction of sexual relations and a poor understanding of responsibility all contribute to the implementation of the age of consent.
If Mohammed was really the prophet of an all-knowing Allah, then why did Allah allow Mohammed to carry out such things knowing that in the future, these procedures would be looked down upon as a great disservice to many societies?

 

[leibowde84]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.

Pedophelia is a psychological disorder, not a crime. There are criminal statutes that outlaw it in most countries, but one certainly does not have to be in violation of the law to be considered a pedophile (someone who is sexually attracted to children who have not yet gone through puberty yet). So, I'm not sure why you have an issue with this. It is pretty clear that Muhammad was married to female children who fit into this category. Whether that practice was accepted in his culture doesn't effect this categorization in any way, as it is merely a psychological classification.

 

[DawudTalut]

Please correct certain facts:

From much few lines from wwwDOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/?muhammad=prophet-muhammad-sa-married-ayesha-ra-when-she-was-underage
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For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]

Granted, the American state laws were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries—not today. And granted, American’s aged 12 or 13 do not typically get married today. The point still stands, however, that even in recent American history, American’s found value—not objection—in marrying at 12 or 13, or even younger, and passed laws through their state legislatures to affirm their value. This exercise in no way argues for a return to such marrying ages. Rather, it merely establishes the point that “appropriate” marriage age is based on social construct—not some supposed objective, advanced contemporary standard.

- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

" ......most historians report that Hadhrat Asmara, Hadhrat Ayesha’s elder sister, was ten years her senior.[15] The books, “Tahzibut Tahzib” and “Al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihayah,” both report that Hadhrat Asma died at the age of 100, in 73 A.H. or 695 A.D.[16] This means that Hadhrat Asmara must have been no younger than 27 at the time of emigration. Hadhrat Ayesha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad was in 1 A.H. when Asma was 28. This means that at a minimum, Hadhrat Ayesha was 18 upon her consenting marriage to Prophet Muhammad."
- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

 

[Dionysus]

"According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated." Aisha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gsa]

Please correct certain facts:

From much few lines from wwwDOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/?muhammad=prophet-muhammad-sa-married-ayesha-ra-when-she-was-underage
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For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]

Granted, the American state laws were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries—not today. And granted, American’s aged 12 or 13 do not typically get married today. The point still stands, however, that even in recent American history, American’s found value—not objection—in marrying at 12 or 13, or even younger, and passed laws through their state legislatures to affirm their value. This exercise in no way argues for a return to such marrying ages. Rather, it merely establishes the point that “appropriate” marriage age is based on social construct—not some supposed objective, advanced contemporary standard.

- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

I love how religious apologists can take "a postmodernist, Derrida-esque scalpel to ‘scripture’ and eviscerating it of objective content." The Quran and the life of the prophet of Islam contains immutable truths and a role model for all time, just not in this case?

 

[leibowde84]

Please correct certain facts:

From much few lines from wwwDOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/?muhammad=prophet-muhammad-sa-married-ayesha-ra-when-she-was-underage
"
For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]

Granted, the American state laws were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries—not today. And granted, American’s aged 12 or 13 do not typically get married today. The point still stands, however, that even in recent American history, American’s found value—not objection—in marrying at 12 or 13, or even younger, and passed laws through their state legislatures to affirm their value. This exercise in no way argues for a return to such marrying ages. Rather, it merely establishes the point that “appropriate” marriage age is based on social construct—not some supposed objective, advanced contemporary standard.

- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

" ......most historians report that Hadhrat Asmara, Hadhrat Ayesha’s elder sister, was ten years her senior.[15] The books, “Tahzibut Tahzib” and “Al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihayah,” both report that Hadhrat Asma died at the age of 100, in 73 A.H. or 695 A.D.[16] This means that Hadhrat Asmara must have been no younger than 27 at the time of emigration. Hadhrat Ayesha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad was in 1 A.H. when Asma was 28. This means that at a minimum, Hadhrat Ayesha was 18 upon her consenting marriage to Prophet Muhammad."
- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

The term "pedophile" in no way depends on the law or customs of a certain culture. It depends only on a person being attracted to children. So, I'm not sure how your argument is even relevant.

 

[McBell]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

The biggest problem with your "argument" is that age of consent and law have nothing to do with whether or not a person is a pedophile.

 

[Midnight Rain]

Please correct certain facts:

From much few lines from wwwDOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/?muhammad=prophet-muhammad-sa-married-ayesha-ra-when-she-was-underage
"
For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]

Granted, the American state laws were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries—not today. And granted, American’s aged 12 or 13 do not typically get married today. The point still stands, however, that even in recent American history, American’s found value—not objection—in marrying at 12 or 13, or even younger, and passed laws through their state legislatures to affirm their value. This exercise in no way argues for a return to such marrying ages. Rather, it merely establishes the point that “appropriate” marriage age is based on social construct—not some supposed objective, advanced contemporary standard.

- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

" ......most historians report that Hadhrat Asmara, Hadhrat Ayesha’s elder sister, was ten years her senior.[15] The books, “Tahzibut Tahzib” and “Al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihayah,” both report that Hadhrat Asma died at the age of 100, in 73 A.H. or 695 A.D.[16] This means that Hadhrat Asmara must have been no younger than 27 at the time of emigration. Hadhrat Ayesha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad was in 1 A.H. when Asma was 28. This means that at a minimum, Hadhrat Ayesha was 18 upon her consenting marriage to Prophet Muhammad."
- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

The actual age of Ayesha is varied and still debated. But on the topic of "no minimum age of consent with parents permission" is misleading in this comment. There is no specified age in which someone could legally marry. However the statutory laws still apply. It is not legal for an adult to have sex with, lets say a 13 year old in California with or without the parents consent.

 

[McBell]

Please correct certain facts:

From much few lines from wwwDOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/?muhammad=prophet-muhammad-sa-married-ayesha-ra-when-she-was-underage
"
For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]

Granted, the American state laws were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries—not today. And granted, American’s aged 12 or 13 do not typically get married today. The point still stands, however, that even in recent American history, American’s found value—not objection—in marrying at 12 or 13, or even younger, and passed laws through their state legislatures to affirm their value. This exercise in no way argues for a return to such marrying ages. Rather, it merely establishes the point that “appropriate” marriage age is based on social construct—not some supposed objective, advanced contemporary standard.

- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

" ......most historians report that Hadhrat Asmara, Hadhrat Ayesha’s elder sister, was ten years her senior.[15] The books, “Tahzibut Tahzib” and “Al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihayah,” both report that Hadhrat Asma died at the age of 100, in 73 A.H. or 695 A.D.[16] This means that Hadhrat Asmara must have been no younger than 27 at the time of emigration. Hadhrat Ayesha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad was in 1 A.H. when Asma was 28. This means that at a minimum, Hadhrat Ayesha was 18 upon her consenting marriage to Prophet Muhammad."
- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

Um...
What does any of this have to do with the claim of pedophilia?

 

[leibowde84]

Um...
What does any of this have to do with the claim of pedophilia?

I think he is confused about what the word "pedophile" actually means. Not sure how it is difficult to grasp, but, as you said, it is not directly tied to the law. It is merely a way of describing a neurological condition.

 

[leibowde84]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

I'm curious, where did you get the idea that there was a prerequisite for illegality for someone to be considered a pedophile? It is piculiar that you would think this, as pedophiles can exist (hypothetically) in countries where pedophelia is even encouraged. Laws governing the matter are irrelevent to your question.

 

[gsa]

Here’s my thinking on this: There’s no sign, from the life of Muhammad, that he was a pedophile in the way we understand pedophilia today. He was not, far as I can see, persistently attracted to prepubescent children. He only had sex with one child based on the traditionalist accounts.

Using modern terminology, it might be appropriate to call Muhammad a child molester, but without a better understanding of his other sexual habits and fantasies, and based on what we have to go on, he is probably not a pedophile.

 

[leibowde84]

Here’s my thinking on this: There’s no sign, from the life of Muhammad, that he was a pedophile in the way we understand pedophilia today. He was not, far as I can see, persistently attracted to prepubescent children. He only had sex with one child based on the traditionalist accounts.

Using modern terminology, it might be appropriate to call Muhammad a child molester, but without a better understanding of his other sexual habits and fantasies, and based on what we have to go on, he is probably not a pedophile.

I would have to agree. Great assessment.

 

[Salvador]

Muhammad (PBUH) can't be faulted for his inappropriate sexual behavior towards any prepubescent girl, because he lived in a primitive Arabian culture during the Dark Ages when most Arabian men were having sex with preadolescent girls. I believe that if Muhammad were alive today, then he would probably behave differently towards little girls. The important thing here is that Aisha and Muhammad (PBUH) did greatly admire and love each other, and Aisha did give favorable testimony to the greatness of her husband for many years after he had died.

 

[Sees]

I'm not applying any labels, but what Muhammad did was not common and his other wives and followers questioned him about it more than once. His repetitive response was Allah ordained/granted it. For most cultures which we know a decent amount about during the time-frame, 6 years old for marriage and 9 years old for sealing the deal wouldn't have been typical.

Repeating it doesn't make it so folks. Prepubescent marriage is extremely atypical, past and present.

 

[Salvador]

I'm not applying any labels, but what Muhammad did was not common and his other wives and followers questioned him about it more than once. His repetitive response was Allah ordained/granted it. For most cultures which we know a decent amount about during the time-frame, 6 years old for marriage and 9 years old for sealing the deal wouldn't have been typical.

Repeating it doesn't make it so folks. Prepubescent marriage is extremely atypical, past and present.

If Muhammad's society would have considered preadolescent sex as immoral, then it does raise the question of how Muhammad could have become accepted as the greatest prophet of all time. Perhaps, Aisha had to have been much older than 9 years old when she and Muhammad had consummated their love and marriage. How would anybody really have known about Muhammad's and his wife Aisha's personal relationship?

 

[DawudTalut]

The answer has been given on page # one with reference Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

Yet it seems some people [who even have doubts whether God exists or not] are just making fun of nothing.

 

[Faybull]

I'm not applying any labels, but what Muhammad did was not common and his other wives and followers questioned him about it more than once. His repetitive response was Allah ordained/granted it. For most cultures which we know a decent amount about during the time-frame, 6 years old for marriage and 9 years old for sealing the deal wouldn't have been typical.

Repeating it doesn't make it so folks. Prepubescent marriage is extremely atypical, past and present.

JUst taking a glance at the subject, and I am curious as to your knowledge about why a girl (woman) becomes fertile at "X" an age.