Muhammad a pedophile? how?

[Faybull]

JUst taking a glance at the subject, and I am curious as to your knowledge about why a girl (woman) becomes fertile at "X" an age.

like why does nature prescribe a girl to become fertile at a certain age?

 

[Faybull]

one problem I always come to is the adultery. I mean, even if both parties or all parties are okay with it, the actual act, they all become adulterers. like how solomon had so many wives....david had all these wives....and yet the thing is that it states, in the word, that you shall not committ adultery. And then I gotta wonder, is adultery only when you sleep with a neighbors wife? And if the woman is single, then is that still adultery?

 

[columbus]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

No, just the opposite. In Muhammad's day, powerful men like him could have all the women(and boys) they wanted for sex.
Muhammad behaved very differently from the norm. His first, and I would argue "real", wife was older than he. Apparently she taught him well. His home and domestic life were bastions of propriety and feminism, given the culture of the day.

Tom

 

[Me Myself]

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.

Pedophelia is a psychological disorder, not a crime. There are criminal statutes that outlaw it in most countries, but one certainly does not have to be in violation of the law to be considered a pedophile (someone who is sexually attracted to children who have not yet gone through puberty yet). So, I'm not sure why you have an issue with this. It is pretty clear that Muhammad was married to female children who fit into this category. Whether that practice was accepted in his culture doesn't effect this categorization in any way, as it is merely a psychological classification.

If it was primarily or exclusively prepubecent, then what about his former wife and what about when the lil one grew up?

Seems like he did pedophilia, but he wasnt a pedophile.

 

[Sees]

JUst taking a glance at the subject, and I am curious as to your knowledge about why a girl (woman) becomes fertile at "X" an age.

like why does nature prescribe a girl to become fertile at a certain age?

I would say it's related to physical and mental maturity, that way the mother can carry and nourish the fetus and baby properly and isn't just a child herself.

13-17 years of age seems the average universally for cultures which we know enough about. This is even going back into B.C./BCE times, with 12 years of age here and there - and these average ages go well into the 1900's.

 

[McBell]

The answer has been given on page # one with reference Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

Yet it seems some people [who even have doubts whether God exists or not] are just making fun of nothing.

Only in your mind.
The post you are referring to doe snot address pedophilia at all.
If you think it does, you should really brush up on what pedophilia is.

 

[McBell]

one problem I always come to is the adultery. I mean, even if both parties or all parties are okay with it, the actual act, they all become adulterers. like how solomon had so many wives....david had all these wives....and yet the thing is that it states, in the word, that you shall not committ adultery. And then I gotta wonder, is adultery only when you sleep with a neighbors wife? And if the woman is single, then is that still adultery?

Only if you take the debatable position that one can only be married to one person at a time...

 

[Aquitaine]

Muhammad (PBUH) can't be faulted for his inappropriate sexual behavior towards any prepubescent girl, because he lived in a primitive Arabian culture during the Dark Ages when most Arabian men were having sex with preadolescent girls. I believe that if Muhammad were alive today, then he would probably behave differently towards little girls. The important thing here is that Aisha and Muhammad (PBUH) did greatly admire and love each other, and Aisha did give favorable testimony to the greatness of her husband for many years after he had died.

I think the main issues here though, are:
*1) Mohammad was apparently the final prophet of an omnipotent all-wise being, surely he would have rejected and transcended primitive cultural norms at the time?
*2) Most muslims view him as a perfect human being - a role model to emulate.

 

[Pegg]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

pedo = child
philia = friend

people who befriend children with the intent of having a sexual relationship with them could certainly be termed a pedophile no matter what century they lived in.

What is important is that a prepubescent child is not mature physically, mentally or emotionally to have sexual relationship and therefore it is a disgraceful act. Any mature adult of any century is aware of that and if they disgregard it, then there is something morally wrong with them.

 

[Salvador]

I think the main issues here though, are:
*1) Mohammad was apparently the final prophet of an omnipotent all-wise being, surely he would have rejected and transcended primitive cultural norms at the time?
*2) Most muslims view him as a perfect human being - a role model to emulate.

I think the main issues here though, are:
*1) Mohammad was apparently the final prophet of an omnipotent all-wise being, surely he would have rejected and transcended primitive cultural norms at the time?
*2) Most muslims view him as a perfect human being - a role model to emulate.

Perhaps, Aisha had reached puberty at a very young age. There have been 8-year-old girls who've given birth to healthy children. I think it's possible that Aisha may have matured into a woman at a very young age. If Aisha were past puberty when she and Muhammad had consummated their marriage, then Muhammad could not be considered as a pedophile. END OF DISCUSSION!

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes but if a 9-year-old these days is so immature and very underage, why would that be compared to how it was with people 1400 years ago? Let alone if it really was 9 in the first place! What if was 19 instead and it was changed by time?

Marriage is not basically connected with age, it is connecting with the mental and physical maturity. Age restrictions these days are originally based on those.

The standards we take are not necessarily the same they were in the past!

I don't see why people argue about this point and completely forget or ignore other sources saying that Aisha loved Muhammad from the bottom of her heart!

When Muhammad was dying, she rest his head on hear chest, hugged him and stayed like that until he passed away. They used to play games with each other they even raced like children do, kiss her before going out, calling here a nickname "Aish".... Why would a molested child and the molester have such a life?

If he really was a pedophile, he would have used his position as a big leader for that instead of just staying with Aisha. Not to mention that he married widows and women older than anything close to being children.

 

[leibowde84]

If it was primarily or exclusively prepubecent, then what about his former wife and what about when the lil one grew up?

Seems like he did pedophilia, but he wasnt a pedophile.

I agree. Good point.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

For the kuffar those who love to attack the person of Allah's messenger pbuh this was pedophilia, for the believers this marriage strengthened the friendship of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and Abu Bakr siddiq through marriage with his daughter Aisha( may Allah be pleased with her).

But those who abuse the Messenger of Allah will have a grievous penalty." [Soorah Tawbah]

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.

 

[leibowde84]

For the kuffar those who love to attack the person of Allah's messenger pbuh this was pedophilia, for the believers this marriage strengthened the friendship of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and Abu Bakr siddiq through marriage with his daughter Aisha( may Allah be pleased with her).

But those who abuse the Messenger of Allah will have a grievous penalty." [Soorah Tawbah]

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.

I've gotta say, I think you are wrong about that. Never a good idea to assume to know the mind of God and his intentions. But, I'm not worried. The passaage you quote simply doesn't ring true, even to a minimal degree. I don't see God as being that petty.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I've gotta say, I think you are wrong about that. Never a good idea to assume to know the mind of God and his intentions. But, I'm not worried. The passaage you quote simply doesn't ring true, even to a minimal degree. I don't see God as being that petty.

Well continue to attack Allah's messenger Pbuh and witness how Angels will welcome you when Death comes to you.

Very dangerous gamble. U are choosing mockery during this short worldly life and risk to become loser in hereafter?


Allah will defend his messengers, those who insult them wish they had chance to return to worldly life and become believers,


Do what you gotta do.

 

[Kirran]

Well continue to attack Allah's messenger Pbuh and witness how Angels will welcome you when Death comes to you.

Very dangerous gamble. U are choosing mockery during this short worldly life and risk to become loser in hereafter?


Allah will defend his messengers, those who insult them wish they had chance to return to worldly life and become believers,


Do what you gotta do.

I don't believe that was actually mockery. It was a disagreement.

 

[Aquitaine]

Perhaps, Aisha had reached puberty at a very young age. There have been 8-year-old girls who've given birth to healthy children. I think it's possible that Aisha may have matured into a woman at a very young age. If Aisha were past puberty when she and Muhammad had consummated their marriage, then Muhammad could not be considered as a pedophile. END OF DISCUSSION!

Would you marry a 6-9 year old girl - especially if you suspect her to be a "fully matured woman"?

If the final messenger of an all-knowing, all-wise superbeing found it acceptable to do so, then should we allow 6-9 year olds to marry adults nowadays?

 

[Aquitaine]

For the kuffar those who love to attack the person of Allah's messenger pbuh this was pedophilia, for the believers this marriage strengthened the friendship of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and Abu Bakr siddiq through marriage with his daughter Aisha( may Allah be pleased with her).

But those who abuse the Messenger of Allah will have a grievous penalty." [Soorah Tawbah]

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.

Ooooo I'm so scared!
Your "warnings" mean nothin to me: nothing more than primitive superstitious fear-mongering which only works on children and gullible adults.

The Bogeyman is going to get you in your sleep, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster is going to punish you in this life and the next for mocking him and turning against his word!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Well continue to attack Allah's messenger Pbuh and witness how Angels will welcome you when Death comes to you.

Very dangerous gamble. U are choosing mockery during this short worldly life and risk to become loser in hereafter?


Allah will defend his messengers, those who insult them wish they had chance to return to worldly life and become believers,


Do what you gotta do.

Because saying someone who molested a child is a child molester = an attack and mockery. Flawless logic right there.

Would you say calling a blind man 'blind' is an attack too?

 

[leibowde84]

Well continue to attack Allah's messenger Pbuh and witness how Angels will welcome you when Death comes to you.

Very dangerous gamble. U are choosing mockery during this short worldly life and risk to become loser in hereafter?


Allah will defend his messengers, those who insult them wish they had chance to return to worldly life and become believers,


Do what you gotta do.

Agree to disagree I guess. II

Ooooo I'm so scared!
Your "warnings" mean nothin to me: nothing more than primitive superstitious fear-mongering which only works on children and gullible adults.

The Bogeyman is going to get you in your sleep, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster is going to punish you in this life and the next for mocking him and turning against his word!

What annoys God the most? People who claim to speak for him.