Muhammad- the wisest human being

[icehorse]

There is good in everyone, even those in your list.

While I agree it's good to find the positive in everyone, don't forget the context.

Muslims ask us to accept Muhammad as the perfect human being. What do we know about extraordinary claims? The evidence does not favor this claim.

 

[psychoslice]

While I agree it's good to find the positive in everyone, don't forget the context.

Muslims ask us to accept Muhammad as the perfect human being. What do we know about extraordinary claims? The evidence does not favor this claim.

Well that maybe so, but again, there is good in everyone, even old Muhammad.

 

[Sunstone]

To be honest, there have been many people who seem to be a bit wiser than Muhammad, although that doesn't mean Muhammad was a fool.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well that maybe so, but again, there is good in everyone, even old Muhammad.

I can't judge that prophet. But I am 100 % sure that there is not good in everyone. There are people whose souls are hopelessly lost because of the lack of love in their hearts

 

[psychoslice]

I can't judge that prophet. But I am 100 % sure that there is not good in everyone. There are people whose souls are hopelessly lost because of the lack of love in their hearts

Well I have always believed in man, I'm more of a optimist at heart.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well I have always believed in man, I'm more of a optimist at heart.

well...I am a Pelagian so I trust man and human nature more than the other Christians.
I'm optimistic too about the future of mankind, because man has freewill and can change.
But if he doesn't want to change...there's nothing we can do about it

 

[psychoslice]

well...I am a Pelagian so I trust man and human nature more than the other Christians.
I'm optimistic too about the future of mankind, because man has freewill and can change.
But if he doesn't want to change...there's nothing we can do about it

Yes that's true, if we don't change then that's part of what is, its all perfect, it can never be any other way.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I can't judge that prophet. But I am 100 % sure that there is not good in everyone. There are people whose souls are hopelessly lost because of the lack of love in their hearts

At the heart of every Christian love
But this does not mean that the falsehood that says fair and true
If Muhammad was a grain of wisdom
I first followed by
Where is the wisdom of Muhammad
In his leadership of the war
The wise don't benefit the world in something
Where is the wisdom
Spread the religion by force and sword
Where is the wisdom
So I say what I believe
And without the Islamic terrorism
The speech will be on Earth and among the people
Justice say people as qualities
Not as you want
A Muslim wants to prove the wisdom of his Prophet
But it will find it only in his imagination and his faith
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[YmirGF]

You agree or disagree

Everybody could comment to it believing in a religion or no-religion.

Regards

Muhammad ranks very low on my "wisdom index". All in all, not bad for a 7th century illiterate, but still, not much to crow about.

 

[Harikrish]

Can Mohammad be credited for creating a religion for illiterates, by an illiterate (himself as founder) and of illiterate thus making Islam the sort of democracy Abraham Lincoln had in mind for America.

Compare:

Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.

Abraham Lincoln

 

[idav]

Can Mohammad be credited for creating a religion for illiterates, by an illiterate (himself as founder) and of illiterate thus making Islam the sort of democracy Abraham Lincoln had in mind for America.

Compare:

Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.

Abraham Lincoln

No I am pretty sure Mohammad had a theocracy dictatorship in mind.

 

[DawudTalut]

You agree or disagree

Everybody could comment to it believing in a religion or no-religion.

Regards

Peace be on you.

True Islam is for all world and all for all human, from Allah the Exalted:

[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,

[7:159] Say, ‘O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no God but He. He gives life, and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words; and follow him that you may be rightly guided.’



One of the Noble Attributes of Allah is Al-Hakim (The Wise)

[2:221] "...................Surely, Allah is Mighty, Wise."



Light upon Light

[24:36] Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a lustrous niche, wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a glittering star. It is lit from a blessed tree — an olive — neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would well-nigh glow forth even though fire touched it not. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomsoever He will. And Allah sets forth parables to men, and Allah knows all things full well.


Hence, Allah's Light of Wisdom fell upon the Light of Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) . Therefore he (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) is the wisest as Allah the Exalted is the Wisest.



Source and Distribution of wisdom

[62:2] Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth glorifies Allah, the Sovereign, the Holy, the Mighty, the Wise.

First Coming to teach wisdom along with other aspects:

[62:3] He it is Who has raised among the Unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and wisdom, although they had been, before, in manifest misguidance;

Prophecy for Holy Prophet (pbuh)'s Devotee Ahmadiyya Promised Messiah Mahdi (metaphoric coming); Holy Prophet explained this verse is about coming of his ardent devotee in time of weak spiritual condition of Muslims, in hadith the reformer is called Esa / Jesus, indication of peace.

[62:4] And among others from among them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.

Thus the wisdom of Holy Prophet (pbuh) continues to be broadcasted through Ahmadiyya Promised Messiah Mahdi (on whom be peace) and his Khilafat in this era.

(Holy Quran verses' translation from alislam.org/quran)

 

[Nakosis]

Was he?


Warrior
pedophile
rape
bandit
plagiarist

If Im wrong on any of those counts please correct me. I wont post it if it is not true.

All after age 40...

The Qur'an is what is written, like the Bible.
Muhammad seems to start out having a spiritual experience wherein he becomes a compassionate man seeking equality for all people.

A lot gets added to the story to justify a more barbaric nature for his followers. I suppose there is no way to know how much of the stories about Muhammad is myth.

The Bible and the Qur'an both get promoted as the message of God so it becomes taboo to question the truth of any passage. Whereas there is no good reason to accept any of it without historical verification.

People believe what they want to believe. What we can not accept however, is people using their religious beliefs to justify their actions.

People base truth on fiction and mythology. No reason to accept that.

 

[paarsurrey]

Peace be on you.

True Islam is for all world and all for all human, from Allah the Exalted:

[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah,Lord of all the worlds,

[7:159] Say, ‘O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no God but He. He gives life, and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words; and follow him that you may be rightly guided.’



One of the Noble Attributes of Allah is Al-Hakim (The Wise)

[2:221] "...................Surely, Allah is Mighty, Wise."



Light upon Light

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a lustrous [niche, wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a glittering star. It is lit from a blessed tree — an olive — neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would well-nigh glow forth even though fire touched it not. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomsoever He will. And Allah sets forth parables to men, and Allah knows all things full well.

Hence, Allah's Light of Wisdom fell upon the Light of Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) . Therefore he (Muhammad),peace and blessings of Allah be on him, is the wisest as Allah the Exalted is the Wisest.

Source and Distribution of wisdom

[62:2] Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth glorifies Allah, the Sovereign, the Holy, the Mighty, the Wise.

First Coming to teach wisdom along with other aspects:

[62:3] He it is Who has raised among the Unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and wisdom, although they had been, before, in manifest misguidance;

Prophecy for Holy Prophet (pbuh)'s Devotee Ahmadiyya Promised Messiah Mahdi (metaphoric comming; Holy Prophet explained this verse is about coming of his ardent devotee in time of weak spiritual condition of Muslims), in hadith the reformer is called Esa / Jesus, indication of peace)

[62:4] And among others from among them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.

Thus the wisdom of Holy Prophet (pbuh) continues to be broadcasted through Ahmadiyya Promised Messiah Mahdi (on whom be peace) and his Khilafat in this era.

I agree with you.

Thanks and regards

 

[columbus]

Was he?


Warrior
pedophile
rape
bandit
plagiarist

If Im wrong on any of those counts please correct me. I wont post it if it is not true.

It is a mistake to guage someone according to 21st century morality based on 7th century legends.

Compared to the 7th century Arabic culture he was a product of he was extraordinarily ethical.
It's like saying Einstein wasn't that smart since he didn't invent the internet. Or judging you by 23rd century standards.

Tom

 

[outhouse]

It is a mistake to guage someone according to 21st century morality based on 7th century legends.

Compared to the 7th century Arabic culture he was a product of he was extraordinarily ethical.
It's like saying Einstein wasn't that smart since he didn't invent the internet. Or judging you by 23rd century standards.

Tom

What about first century traditions?

Did jesus possess any of these traits?

extraordinarily ethical.

I would say his compilations were viewed as that by the people who compiled his work, but more importantly, later followers.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

What about first century traditions?

Did jesus possess any of these traits?




I would say his compilations were viewed as that by the people who compiled his work, but more importantly, later followers.

Very beautiful and gorgeous
Thanks for the answer
Ethics do not change
Is constant in every time and place
Assault and robbery
They carry the same meanings
In the past and in the present
From Rob women of their spouses
And the booty is incorrect
And who says that fighting is machine orders
This man free of any wisdom
And Mohammed is the man
The Muslims say that a prophet and Messenger
So what do Muhammad must be a morality
Fixed
Are these acts of Muhammad qualities
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The Prophet is establishing better legislation
The yghaml is the abolition of all concepts and teachings that are not true
Are you Muhammad did so
Both did
It did the same acts which do the inhabitants of Mecca
Is kiss the black stone, as did the pagans of Makkah
He is married to many women
He was assaulted and robbed of their money and their wives
Is this the finest acts of Christ
Or Buddha
I think the Buddha better than Mohamed
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[columbus]

What about first century traditions?

Which first century traditions? The first century traditions in Arabia were doubtless horrible by modern standards. What was happening in China or the Americas isn't too relevant.

I believe Muhammad's introduction to "People of the Book" was the pivotal point in his ethical philosophy. But those weren't first century either.

Did jesus possess any of these traits?

What traits? I think Jesus was a warrior. But nobody really knows what Jesus did.

I would say his compilations were viewed as that by the people who compiled his work, but more importantly, later followers.

His ethics were a vast improvement over the culture of the day. By those standards he was a raging feminist and peacenik. Only his credibility as a rich and powerful military leader gave him the ability to establish the culture he did. And it was so much better than what preceded him he established one of the premiere cultures of the day.

Tom

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Which first century traditions? The first century traditions in Arabia were doubtless horrible by modern standards. What was happening in China or the Americas isn't too relevant.

I believe Muhammad's introduction to "People of the Book" was the pivotal point in his ethical philosophy. But those weren't first century either.


What traits? I think Jesus was a warrior. But nobody really knows what Jesus did.



His ethics were a vast improvement over the culture of the day. By those standards he was a raging feminist and peacenik. Only his credibility as a rich and powerful military leader gave him the ability to establish the culture he did. And it was so much better than what preceded him he established one of the premiere cultures of the day.

Tom

First, this is strange
Who told you that Jesus was a combatant
Would you be able to prove it
If I managed to prove it I or follow Jesus and walk with him in the fight
Therefore, your words are not true
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