Multiculturalism Is Chaos

[OtherSheep]

Jesus was 'FOR THE JEWISH WORKING PEOPLE...... HIS PEOPLE........ that is what both he and the Baptist campaigned for.

You coudn't be more wrong if you tried.

Just For The Record, there's this... from Matthew, not John. And... being persuaded to do murder still makes you guilty of murder.

Matthew 27
20 "But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21 The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

These are the same people of whom John wrote. They rejected Him in spades... out of the fulness of their heart.

In Matthew, chapter 23, Jesus says their house is left unto them desolate... for that very reason... "ye would not".

In Matthew 15, Jesus says He was sent... not to the Southern tribes called Judah... but to the Northern Tribes called Israel since the time of Solomon's son: the Divided Kingdom is still in place.

24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

About the Southern tribes called Judah, Jesus says they still don't know they need a physician, or that they need salvation. John, whose witness by the Holy Spirit you have blasphemed, says Jesus came unto His own and His own received Him not. The Parables in Matthew prove that to be true.

What you don't know about the Bible could fill a book, oldbadger. And now, you're guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Is your obvious ignorance enough to get you out of the condemnation that is your just reward?

 

[OtherSheep]

So what's your point? We shouldn't "race mix" or whatever?

Israelis and Arabs are closely related Semitic people that have a high degree of genetic closeness, and the Middle East is in Asia. Just sayin'

My point is that letting people [a pure race, according to them, you, and anyone who wants to get published] tell the rest of us that our countries must become multicultural is ... a whole lotta things... including insulting and wrong.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My point is that letting people [a pure race, according to them, you, and anyone who wants to get published] tell the rest of us that our countries must become multicultural is ... a whole lotta things... including insulting and wrong.

There's no such thing as concrete biologically distinct categories such as "race" among humans, let alone "pure" ones. Jews are not a race but an ethnic group.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Personally, I think you're confusing what they say they do with what they actually do... i.e., to the Palestinians who actually own the West Bank... when before they owned all of Palestine, which Lawrence of Arabia promised to them if they helped get rid of the Turks... The same Turks were then given Anatolia... as a reward for losing the battle with the Arabs.

And WWx began.

There is a proverb that says "A hot-tempered person must pay the penalty; rescue them, and you will have to do it again." Prov 19:19 Is it perfectly applicable? No, because there are eight or so countries pressuring Gaza and West Bank to crush Israel, and Israel is naturally opposed to such crushing. The people in the middle of this are unfortunate, but the peace process is a failure. We even sent Jimmy Carter, and he couldn't fix anything. If Jimmy can't fix it then who can?

What's it got to do with anything we're talking about? Some political stuff isn't equal to religion. I don't consider Israel to be Judaism. I don't know why anyone would.

 

[oldbadger]

The Canon wanted no part of Apostle John's Revelation, because they wanted Paul. By the time what passes for modern canon was solidified, the people who might have objected had been persecuted to death. Convenient. It's Inconvenient History that gets dismissed.

Without John, canon is only Matthew, of the Discipled Apostles of Jesus. Luke is Paul's biographer and Mark is also his fellow traveler.

I take it that you're Paulinist?

You couldn't be more wrong.
I'm a Deist.
Paul didn't know anything about Jesus, probably wasn't very interested. He never wrote a single story about anything that happened to Jesus during his whole mission (apart from mentions of the last supper and execution). Paul's religion is Paul's, not Jesus's.

Apostle John was not the disciple John, and although he did have a very useful bunch of reports and stories about Jesus he had no idea of when they happened which is how he describes Jesus clearing the Temple at the very beginning of his mission instead of at the very end. He didn't know what Jesus and disciples did in the last week..... not a clue.

Matthew was not a witness, not the publican who joined the disciples. If Matthew had been there he would not have had to copy Mark's gospel, almost word for word in places.

Luke wasn't there, a mate of Paul's like you say.

But Mark was. He may have known Paul but he was there as a follower of Jesus, almost certainly was there at the arrest. His gospel is most probably drawn from the memoirs of Cephas who was very upset about Paul's ideas and wanted to put the record straight. G-Mark has been fiddled with, but the basics are true, imo.

 

[oldbadger]

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matthew 23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees ...
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth..."

Matthew 21
39 And they caught Him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spake of them.

Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

What do you think this blasphemy is, ob?

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And what will happen to those who take away the whole book?

Matthew was not there. He copied G-Mark and other docs.

The Baptist was furious about the corruption, greed, hypocrisy and treachery of the Temple and its priesthood.

Luke changed the Baptist's words to make it look as if he was angry with the people, Matthew changed the words to Scribes and Pharisees............ try G-Mark.

 

[oldbadger]

One race on the planet as a protected species means racism is an oxymoron.

There is not one race on the Planet.
And people are as individual as their fingerprints.

And Jesus and the Baptist were supporting the working Jewish peasant classes (there was no middle class) against Temple deception corruption and thievery. He was not concerned with any other peoples........ that's Pauline manipulation.

 

[oldbadger]

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."--Matthew 12:31

Hmmmm........ translated: You can do what you like and it will be alright but if you talk against the Faith then you get a much worse end than three days of tortured slow death on a cross (the worst that Romans could dish out) you get to writhe in eternal agony in the fires of Hell..... for ever.

Nice........ and of course Christians tried to reproduce that idea in their stake-and-fire executions. A lovely record..... Christianity. I'm always amazed at the Christian Cults that leave love behind and become monsters.

 

[oldbadger]

You coudn't be more wrong if you tried.

I think I'm right.
Have you ever seen a Temple 1/2 shekel from that time? It was an outrageous and disgusting coin to loyal Jewish people because of its images. Have a look.

The Priesthood was copying Roman ways and cultures, was fat and greedy, had deserted its true function.

So the Baptist stopped working people from going to the Temple with their savings for cleansing and redemption, and cleansed them by baptism in the river........ FOR NOTHING!
That's why people flocked to him.

Jesus carried that mission forward and his main theme was 'Mercy and not sacrifice'. It's there to read.

Temple takings fell away because of these baptisms...... So Antipas was instructed to bring em all in.

Why didn't the Roman Prefect (Pilate) bring John in? Because the Baptist was not in the Prefect's territory.

Just For The Record, there's this... from Matthew, not John. And... being persuaded to do murder still makes you guilty of murder.

Matthew 27
20 "But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

I must tell you more about Barabbas sometime....... Jesus Barabbas was his name in earliest bibles...... Barabbas means 'son of the father'. Jesus Son of the Father, loved so much by the people that they got him pardoned and released. So who was he, then?

 

[ChristineM]

Logical fallacy, "Ad Hominem".
Unable to refute the points I made with valid counter arguments, you can only try to falsely accuse me of having wrong motives behind my posts.
A baseless accusation for which you have no reason to make. Other than because you have no valid counter response to offer.



Considering that you have not tried to offer a valid counter argument to almost any point I made, it does not surprise me that you don't even know what those points aren't.

You are welcome to review what I've already posted to see what those points were. If you are still confused you're welcome to quote one of them and I will gladly expound on it in more detail to help you understand it.

You still trying to get a rise and failing, don't you have something better to do with your life?

Your points were irrelevant to my posts and so ignored.

 

[OtherSheep]

There is a proverb that says "A hot-tempered person must pay the penalty; rescue them, and you will have to do it again." Prov 19:19 Is it perfectly applicable? No, because there are eight or so countries pressuring Gaza and West Bank to crush Israel, and Israel is naturally opposed to such crushing. The people in the middle of this are unfortunate, but the peace process is a failure. We even sent Jimmy Carter, and he couldn't fix anything. If Jimmy can't fix it then who can?

What's it got to do with anything we're talking about? Some political stuff isn't equal to religion. I don't consider Israel to be Judaism. I don't know why anyone would.

Wouldn't you want to reclaim the land of your birth if you were a Christian in Palestine? Believe me, there used to be plenty of Christians there. Now they're diaspora. Which makes me--if no one else--wonder how someone to whom this was done would do it to other people? Right from the get-go, Israelis were the weaponized new kids on the block. It's not for nothing that the book The Sampson Option has been written about them.

And of course this is about religion, since that's the supposed reason Israelis got regifted Palestine in the first place. That regifting is why the sons of their allies came home with Gulf War Syndrome, and microwaved bodies... "and they pick up a rock or a brick or a stone". There are Lives in the Balance... they're not just "unfortunate", they're dead. Who are the ones we call our friends, these governments killing their own?

Judaism isn't what you think it is. Judaism is Talmudism. The Babylonian Talmud takes first place with them. If you took the commentaries on the New Testament and read them instead of the New Testament, you'd have something like the Talmud to meditate upon day and night. Not that it'd do you any good. Jesus calls the Talmud their traditions and their blasphemies. He seems to know what's written in there about Him. The Jewish Encyclopedia will give you the code for which words mean Jesus and which ones mean Christians... or at least they used to.

It doesn't help them to protect them from the consequences of their genocide of the Palestinians. And it sure doesn't help their allies.

 

[OtherSheep]

You couldn't be more wrong.
I'm a Deist.

Then why do you think you know anything about Christianity?
The fact is, you don't. Stick to what you DO KNOW.
Maybe you'll stay out of trouble that way.

 

[OtherSheep]

Matthew was not there.

Why do I feel the need to track you to the forum in which you do know something... and then throw rotten tomatoes? ... after performing websearches using keywords for the results I'm hoping to find.

 

[OtherSheep]

people are as individual as their fingerprints.

Tell that to BLM ... after dialing 911.

 

[OtherSheep]

three days of tortured slow death on a cross

leave love behind and become monsters

By the first quote, you became the second quote... to all Christians.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Wouldn't you want to reclaim the land of your birth if you were a Christian in Palestine? Believe me, there used to be plenty of Christians there. Now they're diaspora. Which makes me--if no one else--wonder how someone to whom this was done would do it to other people? Right from the get-go, Israelis were the weaponized new kids on the block. It's not for nothing that the book The Sampson Option has been written about them.

Are you implying Jews landed in the middle east in combat books in order to steal Christian lands? I don't think you are, but it sounds like that.

What I gather is that after ww2 the UN, Europeans, various allied politicians all want to make a cleansing gesture that will assuage our guilt for the massacre of Jewish people, so we arrange for there to be a nation for them using some of the axis territory. The reasons are political with overtures to their religion. Then comes the six day war, and they grab additional land which is then controversial to the international diplomats. Debate over this new territory continues to this day.

And of course this is about religion, since that's the supposed reason Israelis got regifted Palestine in the first place. That regifting is why the sons of their allies came home with Gulf War Syndrome, and microwaved bodies... "and they pick up a rock or a brick or a stone". There are Lives in the Balance... they're not just "unfortunate", they're dead. Who are the ones we call our friends, these governments killing their own?

It was political. They got a small piece of the old israeli territory for the reason that everyone in Europe, USA etc. felt guilty and wanted to put the Jews somewhere, so we did. A lot of Jews were desperate and would have gone anywhere, but we funneled them there. It was a country for Jews which later became a Jewish country and is increasingly religious.

Judaism isn't what you think it is. Judaism is Talmudism. The Babylonian Talmud takes first place with them. If you took the commentaries on the New Testament and read them instead of the New Testament, you'd have something like the Talmud to meditate upon day and night. Not that it'd do you any good. Jesus calls the Talmud their traditions and their blasphemies. He seems to know what's written in there about Him. The Jewish Encyclopedia will give you the code for which words mean Jesus and which ones mean Christians... or at least they used to.

Its unclear to me. He preached against the Jews of his particular generation as did his apostles, but the word 'Generation' was used. It could be argued that Jews today actually abide by many of his teachings. I think we are in a different situation today, the gospel having already been preached. My view is that Paul thinks the gentile law has been nullified but that moses law is still valid for Jews. Its difficult because Paul is difficult reading, and its not always clear about his opinions about the law and circumcision. In one letter he says only the circumcised are entrusted with the oracles of God, so clearly he believes in the law and that the circumcised are entrusted with keeping it. I think he believes Jews still have their eternal Torah to follow, but whatever the case its not my job as a gentile to really judge that and not my business if they think they have to keep talmud in order to honor their parents. Its just very complicated and for just anybody to comment on. I'm sure they'll be fine; and I don't think its my problem.

It doesn't help them to protect them from the consequences of their genocide of the Palestinians. And it sure doesn't help their allies.

I don't believe that there has been a genocide of palestinians, although I hear people post that on RF sometimes.

 

[oldbadger]

Then why do you think you know anything about Christianity?
The fact is, you don't. Stick to what you DO KNOW.
Maybe you'll stay out of trouble that way.

The story of Jesus in the gospels is about Jesus.
Christianity got spun together afterwards, and Christians popped edits in to the gospels to suit.
Even the first verse of G-Mark has been fiddled with.
After the last verses were added about the resurrection at the end.

I am not a Christian because I studied that gospels. I'm not the least bit interested in Christianity, just the gospels.

And I'm not in any trouble........ obviously a few hundred years ago I would have been....... Christians did love their burnings.

 

[oldbadger]

Why do I feel the need to track you to the forum in which you do know something... and then throw rotten tomatoes? ... after performing websearches using keywords for the results I'm hoping to find.

I wondered if you would resort to personal attacks and virtual chucking of stuff.
Obviously you've failed in the theology area then...?

 

[oldbadger]

Tell that to BLM ... after dialing 911.

That is a prejudiced and unreasonable response to my claim that people are as individual as their fingerprints.

Surely real Christians do think that Black Lives Matter?
Not you? No matter...... you can't stop it now.

Are the fissures showing?

 

[oldbadger]

By the first quote, you became the second quote... to all Christians.

Oh no.............. You really should have quoted the whole sentence.
Like this:
I'm always amazed at the Christian Cults that leave love behind and become monsters.

There are many Christian Churches that focus upon love and understanding. But after reading your post which read:

Tell that to BLM ... after dialing 911.

.......... I feel slightly worried for you.