Multiple Gunmen open fire on 40 in Quebec Canada Mosque - Breaking Now

[Terrywoodenpic]

So you mean the pig head thrown at the mosque was also done by members of muslim sect?

Did I not specifically say Gun and Bomb Attacks. ?
There have of course been attacks on Mosques and Synagogues by a variety of extremists, including many arson attacks.
Of recent times Most violent attacks on Mosques have been Muslim on Muslim.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hmmm
I wonder what could have lead to this?

If I had to guess (which I somewhat do), it is an act of fear manifesting as hatred, quite possibly spurred by a perception of the influx of Syrian immigrants as a source of social hardships in the times to come.

 

[LuisDantas]

So you mean the pig head thrown at the mosque was also done by members of muslim sect?

Do you know that it wasn't? Muslim hatred does not always rise itself above such an action, far as I know.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Do you know that it wasn't? Muslim hatred does not always rise itself above such an action, far as I know.

Muslim hatred seems to result into muslim ban and invasions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If I had to guess (which I somewhat do), it is an act of fear manifesting as hatred, quite possibly spurred by a perception of the influx of Syrian immigrants as a source of social hardships in the times to come.

I'm in Ontario, not Quebec, but I haven't run into any fear or hatred of Syrian refugees here, either in the media or talking to people. The coverage tends to all be positive stories about community groups coming together to sponsor refugees or stories of concern about people left there or in refugee camps.

 

[David1967]

Still a lot of unknowns here. Why do you suppose that Muslims would do this (if this turns out to be the case)? Conflict between differing Muslim sects is not common in North America is it? There is a lot that doesn't make sense at this point.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Still a lot of unknowns here. Why do you suppose that Muslims would do this (if this turns out to be the case)? Conflict between differing Muslim sects is not common in North America is it? There is a lot that doesn't make sense at this point.

I think that is just luck of the draw.
In the UK, Yobs do sometime try to fire Mosques.
But most of the trouble and nearly all the killing has been between sects.
I suspect America will catch up in this as the population percentage between the various sects grow.
There are surprisingly few attacks on white Christians, though some very notable ones.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There are surprisingly few attacks on white Christians, though some very notable ones.

And most of those are by Christians of some other denomination.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

And most of those are by Christians of some other denomination.

In the UK that is probably no longer True, and has not been so since the Irish troubles.

 

[columbus]

Why do you suppose that Muslims would do this (if this turns out to be the case)?

For the same reasons that they usually do?
The vast majority of innocent Muslim victims of terrorists are killed by Muslims. This is a fact. Islamicists have killed more Muslims than the armies of the USA and Israel put together.

Tom

 

[LuisDantas]

Muslim hatred seems to result into muslim ban and invasions.

Nope, that would be wariness against Muslims.

 

[LuisDantas]

Still a lot of unknowns here. Why do you suppose that Muslims would do this (if this turns out to be the case)? Conflict between differing Muslim sects is not common in North America is it? There is a lot that doesn't make sense at this point.

I am at the other side of the Americas, but I have learned of inter-Muslim violence in these parts.

 

[columbus]

Muslim hatred seems to result into muslim ban and invasions.

No.
The hatred of Muslims results in terrorism and such. Google "Quebec terrorism"
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

FOX News is reporting one of the gunmen is a Moroccan and the other a possible convert to Islam.

LINK

Suspect in Quebec mosque terror attack was of Moroccan origin, report shows

Two names now - " One of two gunmen who shouted 'Allahu akbar!' as they opened fire at a mosque in Quebec City was of Moroccan origin, a witness and local media reported Monday" ... " The terror suspects were identified as Mohamed Khadir and Alexandre Bissonnette, the Canadian TV network TVA Nouvelles reported."

CBC is confirming the names of the suspects now. No word from police yet on possible motives.

 

[Jedster]

CBC is confirming the names of the suspects now. No word from police yet on possible motives.

I read that the police backtracked and said there was 1 suspect named Alexandre Bissonnette and 1 witness

 

[Vinayaka]

The suspect is to be arraigned this afternoon, and an RCMP (or police) report will be forthcoming. It is best, on all sides to take a 'wait and see' attitude before jumping to conclusions of any kind. Still. Maybe even hold opinions until trial time.

 

[ShivaFan]

The Canadian government is involved in the police accounts, frankly this is all looking more and more like trying to construct a false narrative not much far removed from the false narrative of "hands up, don't shoot".

They did not release any information for a long time, I believe they were trying to build a "lone wolf" argument.

Now they are saying that the first suspect Mohamed Khadir is not Mohamed Khadir but Mohammed Belkhadir who is now being called a "witness" not a suspect.

They are dismissing multiple accounts of witnesses saying there were two involved in the shooting. And that they were yelling Allahu Akbar is now not part of the new narrative despite witnesses swearing to the fact. They are now saying Bissonnette is the only gunman.

Then we have leftists and members of a pro-Muslim immigration leftwing group saying Bissonnette "liked Trump" (hit the like button) but that is not clear but on his Facebook he did "like" Canadian politician Jack Layton, who was a leader of the left-wing NDP, so the likes do not shed much light on Bissonnette’s beliefs which of course the left will try to spin and leave out facts.

But there are reports now that Bissonnette and Belkhadir were students at Universite Laval, Charles D’Amboise, per Radio-Canada as reported.

Now I am seeing reports that Bissonnette and Belkhadir were involved in a homosexual relation that was suspected by the mosque and objected to.

No way is this story is complete. And I think the Canadian government is trying to use some sort of deflection. I absolutely do not put such deflection as above those involved from the current regime.

 

[sun rise]

The right wing is, as usual, trying to twist this into something it's is not by using at best suspect sources or not sources at all. I've been reading that indeed he's a pro-Trump pro-right wing terrorist but I'll reserve final judgement until all the facts are known.

 

[Revoltingest]

The right wing is, as usual, trying to twist this into something it's is not by using at best suspect sources or not sources at all. I've been reading that indeed he's a pro-Trump pro-right wing terrorist but I'll reserve final judgement until all the facts are known.

Only the right?
A leftish source has already falsely claimed it was white supremacists.
You should accept that people on all sides can be dirt....except for Libertarians....we're all saints.

 

[sun rise]

Only the right?
A leftish source has already falsely claimed it was white supremacists.
You should accept that people on all sides can be dirt....except for Libertarians....we're all saints.

Falsely. Hardly falsely. And, of course, unlike others, I wrote that I was reserving judgement which, of course, right wing types don't bother with - preferring to assume that their positions are true and refuse to budge let alone reserve judgement.