anonymous9887
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Interested in learning facts about the religion of Islam. Serious discussion stating facts about the religion for truth seeking purposes.
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cocolia42
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We believe in all the Prophets.
Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." (3:84)
Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." (3:84)
anonymous9887
bible reader
What is the beliefs on who Jesus was?
What convinced you that Muhammad is gods last prophet ?
cocolia42
Active Member
Jesus is the Messiah, son of the virgin Mary, the Word of God.
[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ]. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. (3:45-46)
He was sinless
He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy." (19:19)
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (saw) as saying: The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him with the exception of Mary and her son. (Sahih Muslim)
Jesus ascended to Heaven in the flesh - but was not crucified
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. (4:157-158)
Jesus will return in the end times and be a just ruler
And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path. (43:61)
Abu Huraira reported that Prophet Mohammad (saw) said, "By the one whose hands my life is in, surely the Son of Mary will descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will destroy the cross (this could mean that Jesus will put a final end to Christianity), kill the pig (meaning Jesus will outlaw raising pigs) and abolish the Jizya (this tax on Christians & Jews will be abolished because Christianity and Judaism will end.)." (Sahih Bukhari)
Jesus will die on earth
And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness. (4:159)
I wouldn't say I was convinced that Muhammad is God's last prophet. I would say that I am convinced that the Qur'an is the Truth. And since the Qur'an says that Muhammad is the seal of the prophets, I accept that as truth.
Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing. (33:40)
I would strongly suggest starting in a library with works written by proper authorities on the subject rather than a recreational web forum.
anonymous9887
bible reader
So what convinced you the quaran is the word of God?
Me as a Jehovah's Witness have a similar belief in Christianity and the Jewish (the religion) being done away with.
But what about all the other religions?
What do your scriptures say on why is there so much suffering in the world?
Me as a Jehovah's Witness have a similar belief in Christianity and the Jewish (the religion) being done away with.
But what about all the other religions?
What do your scriptures say on why is there so much suffering in the world?
anonymous9887
bible reader
How do I delete the thread?
There's no need for that, I think. While it is true that if you want "the facts" about something, it makes more sense to go to a textbook, cultural phenomena like religion also cannot be wholly understood through such endeavors. Mostly I wanted to caution you about formulating an opinion about a religion from a handful of random representatives on the internet. It provides a window of insight, but is not a substitute for proper research.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Ok I'm not here to fight or anything. Thanks for the feedback.
cocolia42
Active Member
Reading it. I had a set of beliefs from reading other scriptures. Almost all of them from the Bible. But I did not believe what the church taught. My beliefs were confirmed and clarified in the Qur'an.
For me, I cannot accept any polytheistic religion or any religion that has no afterlife or significant consequences. But that's my personal issue.
The Qur'an says this life is a test.
And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient, (2:155)
If a wound should touch you - there has already touched the [opposing] people a wound similar to it. And these days [of varying conditions] We alternate among the people so that Allah may make evident those who believe and [may] take to Himself from among you martyrs - and Allah does not like the wrongdoers -
And that Allah may purify the believers [through trials] and destroy the disbelievers.
Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while Allah has not yet made evident those of you who fight in His cause and made evident those who are steadfast? (3:140-142
And We divided them throughout the earth into nations. Of them some were righteous, and of them some were otherwise. And We tested them with good [times] and bad that perhaps they would return [to obedience]. (7:168)
And when the believers suffer, it is an expiation of their sins and therefore a blessing
'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (saw) as saying: There is nothing (in the form of trouble) that comes to a believer even if it is the pricking of a thorn that there is decreed for him by Allah good or his sins are obliterated.
There is also a nice story in the Qur'an that reminds us that we don't have God's knowledge and that what we may see as bad may actually be good.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Actually we are not polytheist because when they call Jesus A god kind of like in psalm 82 or exodus 7:1 I take it as a description of status not calling themselves a God as a supreme being. Or even on the same level or even in comparison to God
it's about believe .
i think it's about seeking the truth , so you get convinced .
btw
Quran is word of God , Torah and Gospel were word of God
I don't think Judiasm and Christianity had similar belief .
i mean Jews reject your top beliefs , Jesus (pbuh), Mary(pbuh),Gospel "NT" , Trinity : so where is the similar ?
for my opinion the most close religion to Judiasm is Islam, and most close religion to Christianity is Islam too (inspite that Christain used Torah as OT)
PLUS i think if you ask a Jews , which religion is close to Judiasm (Christianity or Islam) , they will tell Islam .
that's God willing , destiny .
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morphesium
Active Member
Before I start answering, let me make an analogy for the better understanding of the post.
When one stores some liquid in a container, not only one has to be sure of certain properties of the liquid, but also certain properties of the container in which the liquid is stored. Other wise there is a chance that things could go wrong.
For example, we do not store copper sulpahte solution in an iron or aluminum vessel.
Hydrofluoric acid is not stored in glass containers and liquid under high pressure are stored in tanks that can withstand the pressure and so on.
So, in the case of seeking truth, one should not only learn about the religion (liquid), but also the nature of our mind and the brain (the container) which keeps these thoughts. So one has to learn - the reason why we form habits, how fear prevents one from seeking the truth, what free will is, etc. For, there there are people whose religious beliefs have eventually corroded their minds - ISIS for example.
“Be brave. Be free from philosophies, prophets and holy lies. Go deep into your feelings and explore the mystery of your body, mind and soul.
You will find the truth.”― Amit Ray
"There is a very intimate connection between hypnotic phenomena and religion". —Havelock Ellis
Since you have chosen Islamic religion for truth seeking purpose, let me talk a bit about religion here, please click the spoiler
In the past, as humanity progressed into tribal societies and beyond, power always had to be vested with a few for proper administration. And it was easy for them to realize that they could guarantee their strong hold the most if they could take advantage of the fact that
so as different tribes formed, so were different stories and different gods. As societies merged or progressed or destroyed through war etc, so was religion.
In these societies, there were always evil practices; and there are always good and exceptional people who keep much advanced thoughts and they stand against the evils in the society. They take people or society from dark ages and enlighten them. Unfortunately just like ordinary people these great ones also die.(Religion has always been a good business - then and now). Some people seeing a business opportunity (and for power), sanctifies this person. So laws are made and are kept as such. Not (never) to be changed at all. Then existing scientific proofs are added to give it more credibility. Some magical/Godly stories are amended to it. Rituals and practices make it imprinted on those who practice it. This is how a typical non-tribal religion is formed - and 1,2, and 3 are still valid here.
- The fear of the unknown is always much greater than fear of the known.
- There is always the uncertainty of the future.
- People had to suffer extreme hard ships for their survival and this demanded something strong to pacify them.
so as different tribes formed, so were different stories and different gods. As societies merged or progressed or destroyed through war etc, so was religion.
In these societies, there were always evil practices; and there are always good and exceptional people who keep much advanced thoughts and they stand against the evils in the society. They take people or society from dark ages and enlighten them. Unfortunately just like ordinary people these great ones also die.(Religion has always been a good business - then and now). Some people seeing a business opportunity (and for power), sanctifies this person. So laws are made and are kept as such. Not (never) to be changed at all. Then existing scientific proofs are added to give it more credibility. Some magical/Godly stories are amended to it. Rituals and practices make it imprinted on those who practice it. This is how a typical non-tribal religion is formed - and 1,2, and 3 are still valid here.
Personally, I don't think there is any "truth" in Islam that is particular to Islam. Of the many, these are the few things that my thinking contradicts with Islam.
Do we know any of the physical properties of God - , how god looks like?, its weight? dimensions? etc...?
No, we know nothing.
To say that there is only one God, one has to be sure that there is a mathematical property in God which enables us to count God. for example, can we count water, space, air, etc,. These have uncountable property. So how can we be sure God has a countable property? (Just like we are not sure of the physical properties, we can not be sure of mathematical property). For this reason, I can agree if one says God exists but I can't agree with someone who says There is only one God.
No, we know nothing.
To say that there is only one God, one has to be sure that there is a mathematical property in God which enables us to count God. for example, can we count water, space, air, etc,. These have uncountable property. So how can we be sure God has a countable property? (Just like we are not sure of the physical properties, we can not be sure of mathematical property). For this reason, I can agree if one says God exists but I can't agree with someone who says There is only one God.
Why does God need the help of a prophet to talk to us. He can talk to us directly so we all can know the truth in its "latest version"
, everyone can be updated at once. Perhaps God speak to us through our morale. Our morale is the best in guiding us. Perhaps it is the best way God could talk to us without revealing himself. Listening to ones morale refines oneself, it polishes the society making better laws and justice which in turn makes the people in the society more morally advanced. This is the reason why we have abandoned slavery, child marriages etc. People have morally advanced to a level that we no longer agree with such things.
Morally speaking, I can't accept the many deeds of prophet Muhammad as ethical. In fact, hardcore believers of this religion are tied back to those ages (dark ages by present day standards) and they will never let the society progress morally. They still keep laws supporting stoning to death, an eye for an eye etc. It is the reason why ISIS people are behaving like that.
, everyone can be updated at once. Perhaps God speak to us through our morale. Our morale is the best in guiding us. Perhaps it is the best way God could talk to us without revealing himself. Listening to ones morale refines oneself, it polishes the society making better laws and justice which in turn makes the people in the society more morally advanced. This is the reason why we have abandoned slavery, child marriages etc. People have morally advanced to a level that we no longer agree with such things.Morally speaking, I can't accept the many deeds of prophet Muhammad as ethical. In fact, hardcore believers of this religion are tied back to those ages (dark ages by present day standards) and they will never let the society progress morally. They still keep laws supporting stoning to death, an eye for an eye etc. It is the reason why ISIS people are behaving like that.
For these and many reasons, I do believe that religion is more an evil thing and that there is no truth in any religion. One is closer to god without religion than with religion.
"It is only through science that we can understand the truth".