Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
No, the new low is disregarding Allah said water is pure and purifies us. We dont need soap. Quran and hadith is very clear on this. Wudu is a ritual. Not showering.
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MUSLIM MEN ONLY: Shaving in Islam
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Gharib
I want Khilafah back
You totally misunderstood my post
Please explain.
Rational_Mind
Ahmadi Muslim
The reasoning given here exemplifies logical flawed arguments because of which youth brought up in Muslim families have went away from Islam. If you ask somebody to accept something without reason then why should they listen to you over anybody else? If such explanations are logical then one can have no objection to the teachings of modern Christianity. You may be defending the right position, but what use is it if you don't know why. Such flawed arguments cause a distaste in the minds of people of reason.
I can go on to explain why we use water but I already know that for some members here it wouldn't matter what I say. For them following the religions that their forefathers did or their scholars practice is sufficient reasoning and proof. I could explain the spirit behind wudu but unfortunately it has now become a purposeless ritual to many Muslims that do it since they were simply told to do so.
IMHO people have made prayers into a ritual. Even an ape could practice Islam by mimikry. Which is why Quran gives an example of the Jew's who over a long period of time lost the spirit of their teachings and hence were doing mimikry of spiritual people of the past. So it is made to point out that mere mimikry will not make a person righteous neither grant them the gifts of heaven.
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Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
And I dont disagree. But you said its a new low to dissagree with the use of soap. Wudu is a ritual act of purifying oneself for Allah. Like ghusl, its an act of worship. What better way then to do so in the manner the Prophet (saws) did? To say we need to use soap is to add to the ritual already established.
Rational_Mind
Ahmadi Muslim
All I was stating was that saying soap hurts your eyes and that soap takes long to use is not a valid reasoning to convince someone. I mean come on we all use soap everyday, are you going to say that it is that inconvenient.
It mean't it is a new low to try to backup your point with such reasoning. I mean one could come up with something, anything better than that.
I feel that water rinsing three times is sufficient to clean ones self. But if someone feels that they need to use soap they can clean themselves with soap before doing Wudu. Its not such a big issue to dispute about. If one person really feels they need to use soap then there is no harm in doing so.
Also, by simple example: if one has just bowel movement it is obvious that one should use soap on their hands and just rinsing is not sufficient.
Also: the quran says that Islam doesn't intend to make your life hard. As such wudu is the minimum sufficient needed for prayer when water is available.
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F0uad
Well-Known Member
What?
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Well one should first ask if it was a argument or just something i was pointing out?
OurCreed
There is no God but Allah
I use soap to wash my hands while performing Wudhu, I am pretty sure Allah (swt) would want us to use soap, now that modern technology has given us better and new ways to cleanse ourselves properly, and it still retains its ritual purposes!
Why did Allah (swt) give us a brain anyway? USE IT people.
Why did Allah (swt) give us a brain anyway? USE IT people.
I think there is nothing wrong with using soap while performing wudu if someone would like to do it but saying how you're "Pretty sure Allah(swt) would want us to use Soap" is a wrong thing to say. That's just what you think, It's a personal opinion so please don't be a representative of Allah. The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) has told us the right way to perform wudu. Do you think Allah didn't know that, well, there would be something like soap one day? He obviously did and yet, gave us a traditional and simple method through the prophet so don't you think there is Allah's wisdom behind it? We might not understand the wisdom behind all the commandments of Allah but that is where we should trust Allah rather than trying to make the religion difficult by adding in things that you deem right for yourself. May Allah guide us all.
4:43
O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.
5:6
O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.
Our lord(Rabb) is Allah. Scholars are not our lords. We are obliged to obey Allah's commands.
16:116
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him
Farrukh
Active Member
It seems useless and funny to see Muslims debating on soap and shower. We should take care about major things, don't call anyone beside one Allah, and believe that Muhammad peace be upon him is his final and last messenger. practice comes with time.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
Posting on a dead thread? Someone's a bit board.