Muslims and Christian on Jesus...let's debate

[oldbadger]

My understanding of Muslim apologists are as follows:

1. Jesus was a prophet
2. He was born of a virgin (Mary)
3. He did not die on the cross (swoon theory and substitution theory)
4. He never said he was God
5. Jesus will return to coincide with the coming of the Mahdi
6. Jesus will break crosses and kill swine and implement Sharia Law
7. Jesus will marry, and have children, and die

We can debate any or all of these statements.

The above points seem to be closer to truth than most Christian claims.

First...I believe without question that Jesus clearly stated he was God. This is a key point, if did say he was God and it was not true he couldn't be a profit of God or a "good moral teacher" that many secular people believe here in the West. As C.S. Lewis wrote there are three possibilities Jesus is Lord, Liar or Lunatic.

..... You believe! That's fine, nobody is likely to contend about what you believe, but after that you descend into wishy washy nonsense. Jesus never said he was God, and no amount of manipulation, editing or exagerration of the records can make him a God.

Jesus (throughout his ministry) was controlling the timeline. He admonished the Disciples (Matthew 16:21) to not to tell anyone that He was the Christ. He was clearly waiting until the time was right ..

He probably told the disciples not to claim that he was THE SAVIOUR because he wasn't.

At his trial before the Sanhedrin...the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

Let me get this right..... was it ok for priests, Jews, anybody to refer to God as 'the Blessed One'?

“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Mark 14: 53-65

Meh..... Christians adjusted and edited the record quite a bit. Evidence for this exists in their manipulated version of what Josephus wrote about Jesus.

You don't have concrete evidence that Jesus was God, but I will acknowledge and res;pect your faith about it.

Muslims offer a very real proposal about the last week, because there were two Jesus's involved in either demonstrations/picketing or rioting that week. Both were arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced, condemned but only one was actually executed. I can offer very strong evidence about this because it is repeated in the gospel accounts. Either Jesus was not executed or he was executed but taken down alive and survived. The spear story is most strange, because for certain/quick death the guards would break the convict's legs, which happened to the other convicts....... why not Jesus?

 

[Godobeyer]

I believe however that the Qu'ran says that the Jews did not kill Him. However I don't believe that absolves them of having placed an innocent man in the position to be killed. Even so Jesus forgave them.

I do believe that Bible said Jesus(pbuh) never said, he said that he want to sacrifice or die on cross!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

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