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Muslims and Christians

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
Other messengers may come and go but nobody before and since has made such a bold statement. But, I disgress and is for another topic.

I'm gonna spin off a bit, but to say this ultimately denies that the other messengers that came before Jesus was lying to the people really. It really says that Musa. Ibrahim, Yaqub/Jacob, and all the other messengers that came to the bani israel were not telling the whole truth on how to worship God correctly.

Ok, back to the topic at hand.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I'm gonna spin off a bit, but to say this ultimately denies that the other messengers that came before Jesus was lying to the people really. It really says that Musa. Ibrahim, Yaqub/Jacob, and all the other messengers that came to the bani israel were not telling the whole truth on how to worship God correctly.

Ok, back to the topic at hand.
Luk 11:49-51
(49) Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
(50) That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
(51) From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Luk 16:31
(31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

John is a Pharisee and contains fake testimony throughout.
Paul is a fake and just contradicts Christ blatantly.
Simon was named a stone (peter) by Yeshua and defies scripture.
Solomon could not have written Ecclesiastes (Ecclesiastics = member of the clergy) and contains points that are not inline with scripture.
This can be all proven in a court of law with the books alone….
 
All that is required to get along is decency and a desire for peace and harmony.
Anybody in the world who has not the above virtues i am quite happy for them to blow each other up.
I have read both the bible and the koran and although im no theologian i didnt get the impression that either rated hatred in very high regard.
I dont believe in hell but if i was to id say hatred in any form would be a well trodden path towards it.

You have to get along if you fail to do so (get along with the jews aswell)
atheism will win the day (and i am sure none of you want that);) , i should be happy about that but in the face of such human misery how can any real man be happy.

If the greater part of christianity, islam and judaism has any decency or desire for peace and harmony it will happen.
I the greater part of them doesnt it will not.:shrug:

guess the rest is down to you lot and your congregations:faint:
 

rojse

RF Addict
It all sounds good to let those that are full of hatred and intolerance blow eachother up, but the problem with that is that people without those virtues also blow up people that have those virtues.
 

Crowley

Member
I don't think a Muslim would or could get along with me since I believe Muhammed is a false prophet. I wish I could get along with Muslims, but it is they who insist that Muhammed is a prophet and I say he isn't.
Therein lies the difficulty.
Why don't they simply accept my belief and leave it there?
Two cannot walk together unless they agree is a scripture right out of the Bible.
I ask the Christian here, should I ignore that Muhammed is a false prophet?
Or should I stand and say he is false?
It is always one is right and the other wrong because both cannot be right.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
I don't think a Muslim would or could get along with me since I believe Muhammed is a false prophet. I wish I could get along with Muslims, but it is they who insist that Muhammed is a prophet and I say he isn't.
Therein lies the difficulty.
Why don't they simply accept my belief and leave it there?
Two cannot walk together unless they agree is a scripture right out of the Bible.
I ask the Christian here, should I ignore that Muhammed is a false prophet?
Or should I stand and say he is false?
It is always one is right and the other wrong because both cannot be right.

Say what you like, but tolerate that others have the right to say what they want. You can speak, but you can't demand that those who disagree with you just shut up.

Regards,
Scott
 

Crowley

Member
:D To meet new folks and make some friends. I hope to see if I can make friends with those of different beliefs with both of us understanding that I cannot be changed and do not care to change anyone.:no:
Only God can change people.
He is still working on me.
;) However I do enjoy a good argument. I learn from anything and anyone.
Is that okay with you? I hope.
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
I don't think a Muslim would or could get along with me since I believe Muhammed is a false prophet. I wish I could get along with Muslims, but it is they who insist that Muhammed is a prophet and I say he isn't.
I do not have any experience of this personally so I can't speak from experience but I can't see why in theory at least you could'nt be friends and still strongly disagree if you can both remain gracious and love the person enough not to get bitter against them. That said I know a person who had a friend of another religion and it came between them because one kept trying to convert the other and kept playing mind games and being deceitful.

Two cannot walk together unless they agree is a scripture right out of the Bible.
That's true.
I ask the Christian here, should I ignore that Muhammed is a false prophet?
Or should I stand and say he is false?
It is always one is right and the other wrong because both cannot be right.
You must stand for truth, speak the truth in love, do not compromise - truth is not for dialoging about it is for declaring and living.

When you look into the eyes of a muslim, a hindu, a mormon, a jew and bahai , you will see that they are no different than you once were, "but for the grace of God there go I" They are people who desperatly need Jesus Christ and to be reconciled to God by Him through faith alone, just like we once were, this should move us to compassion and to pierce through our very strong differences, we are all made in the image and likeness of God, God loves us all and has paid the awesome penalty for us on calvarys cross - God has comamnded us to preach the gospel to them because He loves them and desires reconciliation with them too. The gospel is the only hope for humanity and we are much better off proclaiming that in an uncompromising manner and hitting at the very root of every mans dillema- sin and Gods justice than breaking off small branches all of the time. I'm not saying though that these things should not be pointed out either, there is a right time to do it and a wrong time, all I am trying ot say is sometimes people spend all their time trying to disprove certain apsects of people religion that they forget how to proclaim what is so excellent about biblical Christianity - this:


2nd Corinthians 5:17-21 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Crowley,
Please don't think I am not saying this to try to teach you something as though you didn't already know this by the way I am just saying it in general, I have been impressed with your posts you seem a strong Christian.
 

Crowley

Member
"All i can say is thank god im an atheist"


Well, what do ya know? :) I have finally met an atheist with a sense of humor.
 

love

tri-polar optimist
Christianity is not about Jesus being a prophet, wise man, a worker of miracles, or a man who spoke the truth.
Christianity is about God putting on the cloak of the flesh.

Muslims do not believe this.

I have never met a Muslim. I have passed a few from time to time, though it is rare.
I am sure that I have had a Muslim doctor treat me before, but the subject of religion has never come up.
I don't go around trying to convert anyone, and would cut it short and sweet to anyone trying to convert me because it could not happen.
RF is the only forum that I discuss these things. And the way I see it, if members didn't want to discuss it openly they shouldn't be here. Some times we lash out and sometimes we take our lashes. One thing I believe that RF seems to have confirmed is no two people think exactly alike.

God created this world and with it He created enough love to go around. Maybe some day I can get to know a Muslim personally . I would hope we could be friends.
 

Crowley

Member
I know several Muslims, one in particular I know the best. I don't say all are like him, but with him, it is all about him, and no one else. He gives some, but he seems to be of the mindset that what women say is not important. He sees women as objects who need nothing but the bare necessities of life if even that, and he can do whatever he wants without ever considering her.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
I know several Muslims, one in particular I know the best. I don't say all are like him, but with him, it is all about him, and no one else. He gives some, but he seems to be of the mindset that what women say is not important. He sees women as objects who need nothing but the bare necessities of life if even that, and he can do whatever he wants without ever considering her.

Yeah, but that's not only limited to a certain religion.

Some men are just pigs, whether they pray to Allah, Jesus, Odin, or the flying spaghetti monster.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Shouldn't we be fixing the Bible before any of us speak about uniting to it?
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
I know several Muslims, one in particular I know the best. I don't say all are like him, but with him, it is all about him, and no one else. He gives some, but he seems to be of the mindset that what women say is not important. He sees women as objects who need nothing but the bare necessities of life if even that, and he can do whatever he wants without ever considering her.

About a third of the Muslims I know are physicians. The one I know best is a cardiologist and cardiac surgeon. His wife is also a physician an anesthesiologist. The two work like a single, well-oiled machine in the operating theater, that seems to be the nature of their marriage in general.

What do you know of the nature of how women were treated BEFORE Muhammad lived? That should be the line of demarcation.

One should also remember that all descent and authority from the Prophet passes through a woman, not a man--Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad and Khadijah Khanum.

Regards,
Scott

Regards,
Scott
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Then if we fix the Bible we can then understand Yeshua and then fix Muslim traditions passed down….
Yet if Christians won’t allow us to fix the Bible….Muslims don’t want to change either….Then where will we find people with the Mustard seed?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
When you look into the eyes of a muslim, a hindu, a mormon, a jew and bahai , you will see that they are no different than you once were, "but for the grace of God there go I" They are people who desperatly need Jesus Christ and to be reconciled to God by Him through faith alone, just like we once were, this should move us to compassion and to pierce through our very strong differences...

Thanks, *Paul*...that's mighty white of you.
 
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