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Done here.
The same reason you don't simply accept their belief and leave it there.
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Muslims and Christians
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lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Actually, I would say that Islam is more similar to Judaism. But that may be an even stickier subject than this one.
Not true. Jesus is highly revered in Islam. In fact the reason why Muslims insist that Jesus did not die on the cross is because they don't believe that God would allow such an injustice.
I notice that you only quote from the gospel of John.
The fact that copies of the various gospels existed before the Qur'an is irrelevant. Muslims believe that the Christian gospels were corrupted before they were written down. They are remembered accounts written by humans who misunderstood the message of Jesus. (ie - Jesus never claimed to be God.) God sent Gibreel (Gabriel) to Mohammed in order to recite the word of God directly, without error.
Whether or not the argument is "valid" depends on whether you believe the story. But there is certainly nothing flawed about the argument (provided that one accepts the premises) and you argument is in no way proof that Islam is wrong.
It says that the gospels are the word of God, as related by Jesus, that got corrupted. Therefore, there is nothing illogical about believing that large parts of it are true but other parts are not.
worshiper
Picker of Nose
cooperation between these 2 religions will come true when people like crowley cease to exist. for muslims, you can be a muslim just because you worship the one true god. even for a hindu, if he worships baghwan(god) not shiva not brahma not vishnu not the trimurti or even the rest of thousand of hindu gods. if he whole heartedly worship that "one" particular god, then he is in the right path. who are we humans to decide he's wrong and we are right? the only one that can decide is the one true god.
the concept of baghwan, and the god of judaism, and islam are the same. one god that you cannot see and cannot hear. no images of that god coz it will lead to idol whorshiping. like the 10 commandment state
[exodus 20:4] You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
which clearly tells us that in the bible, god's concept is also pretty much the same as in hinduism, judaism, and islam. god is nothing like what you can imagine let alone look earthly. nothing in this world can be compared to god. if ever you can vision the image of god, it is not him coz god is way way beyond that.
but i just cant understand why we should attack each other? it is better for us to worship god which i believe is what most religion is praying to with the exception of their respective practices.
IMHO, all religion makes people humble and believe whole heartedly that his religion is the truth but will never criticize any other religion and branding them from satan or devilish and false. we must remember that god sent countless numbers of messengers and prophets, that particular religion that you branded as false and evil could've come from the one true god. does that make you a better person? how will that one true god feel?
the concept of baghwan, and the god of judaism, and islam are the same. one god that you cannot see and cannot hear. no images of that god coz it will lead to idol whorshiping. like the 10 commandment state
[exodus 20:4] You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
which clearly tells us that in the bible, god's concept is also pretty much the same as in hinduism, judaism, and islam. god is nothing like what you can imagine let alone look earthly. nothing in this world can be compared to god. if ever you can vision the image of god, it is not him coz god is way way beyond that.
but i just cant understand why we should attack each other? it is better for us to worship god which i believe is what most religion is praying to with the exception of their respective practices.
IMHO, all religion makes people humble and believe whole heartedly that his religion is the truth but will never criticize any other religion and branding them from satan or devilish and false. we must remember that god sent countless numbers of messengers and prophets, that particular religion that you branded as false and evil could've come from the one true god. does that make you a better person? how will that one true god feel?
UnityNow101
Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment Worshiper and welcome to the forums. Once people begin to realize that there is indeed ONLY ONE God, then we begin the realization that maybe we all have bits and pieces of the truth. Why would God create all of the great religions if they are all to be false? Why would He say to worship the ONE God and then deny and reject those that are honestly worshipping that God with all of their heart.
What we need is people to change their perception of religion. There is not one path, but many that lead us to that final truth of the Almighty. Jesus was not the only truth but a path to the final destination. When we walk the path laid out by Jesus Christ, the final destination is a realization of the Almighty and a greater sense of our role within humanity. The same can be said of Muhammed and all of the religions great founders.
What we need is people to change their perception of religion. There is not one path, but many that lead us to that final truth of the Almighty. Jesus was not the only truth but a path to the final destination. When we walk the path laid out by Jesus Christ, the final destination is a realization of the Almighty and a greater sense of our role within humanity. The same can be said of Muhammed and all of the religions great founders.
maro
muslimah
for Muslims , you can be a muslim when you worship "THE ONE TRUE GOD " and accept his message "THE QURAN " and follow his last messenger "MUHAMMED(PBUH)" ,
That's why not all montheists can be considerd muslims , even if they view "GOD" the same way as muslims
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
The friction is that they are both mutually exclusive in their salvation plans. Christians believe you must accept Jesus as the messiah to be "saved" and Muslims believe you , must accept Muhammad as a prophet to be "saved". They can't both be right so they both claim the other is false.
Princess Of Peace
Member
well to be a muslim, a person would have to accept Jesus pbuh as the messiah as well as all the other prophets that came before Jesus and they would have to accept Muhammed pbuh as a prophet also.
worshiper
Picker of Nose
adam and moses, david, jesus, solomom and all the other prophets before muhammad didnt follow the last messenger muhammad. yet muslims acknowledge them as muslims too. why is it any different?
basically all the prophets mission is to remind mankind that there is an All Mighty God and that he sent 4 major revelations as guidance. the basic principle of all book is, worship god the one and only. not 2, not 3, not 4 but ONE.
if you meet a person who is totally wholeheartedly devoted in worshiping God (Allah) that he would die if you take his God from him but he doesnt follow Rasulullah's way. would you think that, that person is bound to go to hell? how would you know? only god knows what's in one's heart. only god can decide. not us humans. our part is to be obedient and worship god .. we are not to judge god's creation. god is the best judge.
p/s: unitynow101 thanks for the welcome
worshiper
Picker of Nose
the major difference is actually, the christians believe that jesus is the son of god or god in flesh and died for mankind's sin. while the muslims believe that jesus never died in the cross and that he is just a mortal sent by the one almighty god to convey his messege.
yet both religion claim that they are monotheistic.
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Muslims do not believe that Jesus was "just a mortal." Out of all the humans that have ever existed, only two were formed by God Himself, Adam - the first man from whom all other men are descended, including Mohammed - and Jesus.
If I remember correctly, Muslims share the same belief as Christians that Jesus will come again during Final Judgment. Jesus in not just any old prophet in Islam; he is highly highly revered. But he's not God. No one is God except God.
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Meaning never?
There will always be hardliners like Crowley, on both sides. If cooperation is dependent upon them "ceasing to exist" then cooperation will never happen. We have to think of a way to foster cooperation despite their presence. That is the mark of true tolerance.
It seems to me that you've eliminated one hard line - Muslim versus Christian - and replaced it with another hard line - "people like crowley" (ie - extremists) versus non-extremists. I admit that I do this too at times. But your phrase "cease to exist" rang alarm bells for me. It's so final, so negative. I don't know what you personally meant by it but to me the phrase connotes hatred. I don't want to hate anyone, not even hardliners/extremists.
It seems to me that as long as we hate ANYONE there will be no true cooperation, no true peace.
maro
muslimah
ok , let me be more clear
for someone to be "muslim " after prophet "Muhammed "(PBUH) was sent , he has to follow his path , as he is the LAST MESSENGER from ALLAH
if this person is truely devoted to ALLAH as you say , and he knows that "MUhammed" (PBUH) is RASULULLAH , then what is his excuse not to follow ?!!!!
in order to submitt to ALLAH , you have to obey the messenger , otherwise you can't claim to be submitting and devoted
i never juge people according to what within their hearts , but according to what they clearly announce
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Muhammad claims to be the Seal of the Prophets, not the LAST of the Prophets.
And "Seal" does not mean LAST.
Regards,
Scott
And "Seal" does not mean LAST.
Regards,
Scott
UnityNow101
Well-Known Member
In the Qu'ran it states that there are many Christians and Jews which are on the right path to worship of Allah. It is clear that it is not found in any dogmatic practices of religion but in sincere and reverant worship of God, whether one be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or any other religion that worships God.
*Paul*
Jesus loves you
lol, and it's as simple as that. :yes:
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by NoahideHiker
The friction is that they are both mutually exclusive in their salvation plans. Christians believe you must accept Jesus as the messiah to be "saved" and Muslims believe you , must accept Muhammad as a prophet to be "saved". They can't both be right so they both claim the other is false."
Actually Muslims have no problem accepting Jesus as Messiah (Moissach). That's what He was.
Regards,
Scott
Originally Posted by NoahideHiker
The friction is that they are both mutually exclusive in their salvation plans. Christians believe you must accept Jesus as the messiah to be "saved" and Muslims believe you , must accept Muhammad as a prophet to be "saved". They can't both be right so they both claim the other is false."
Actually Muslims have no problem accepting Jesus as Messiah (Moissach). That's what He was.
Regards,
Scott
worshiper
Picker of Nose
i get you there brother /sister. what i meant to say was, among people like them (extremist), there will be no cooperation. but humble people that knows their place in god's eyes will always have wonderful cooperation and will always live in peaceful harmony.
extremism in any form is bad. i only wish there are more moderate people than the extremists at this dire time.
i guess i should've rephrased it. but given the fact that i'm not from an english speaking country lol.. my vocabulary is quite limited *laughing at myself while picking my nose*
anyway thnx for reminding me. your concern is noted and will try to improve next time
worshiper
Picker of Nose
i think this conversation is not suitable in this forum. (will someone create a new for this kinda topic?)
anyway...
i dont mean to mess with anyone's mind or anything. but i would like you to imagine how muhammad would spread his teachings. would he personally say "i call upon to bare witness that there is no god but Allah and that I muhammad is the messenger of Allah"?
or would he say "you must bare witness that there is no god but Allah" and later his followers who look up to him enforce that you must accept muhammad's prophethood.
remember we are talking about a god fearing person that will never put his name in the same level or in one breath as Allah his god. of course he is one of the great prophets that ever walk this planet. no doubt about that.
i got to disagree with you on this brother. say for example a muslim who clearly live life like a non muslim. who never prays in his entire life, who never practise what prophet muhammad teaches but he still claims to be a muslim and Allah the almighty is his one and only God. how would you judge that person? would you say that he is not a muslim? if he dies, will bury him as a muslim? will you not perform funeral prayer for him?