[Muslims Only] Lies of Ibn Teymiya Againts Shi'its

[mojtaba]

Salamum Alaykum brothers and sisters, wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuuh.

As you probably know, Ibn Teymiya is the theologian and leader of Wahhabis and Daeshi and Tkfiri groups. He indeed used to call those who do not believe in what he, himself believed in, as disbeliever, while Holy Quran orders Muslims that , 'Say not to anyone who claims himself to be a Muslim, ‘You are not a believer’ (4:94)'.

His lies againts Shi'its have resulted in enmity between Sunni and Shia Muslims. I want to elaborate his lies due to purifiying the mind of those who have read his books.

I hope more friendship and brotherhood between Sunni and Shia Muslims, who are indeed brothers and sisters of each other.

 

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Ibn Teymiya wrote in one of his books,

وهؤلاء الرافضة يرمون أزواج الأنبياء : عائشة وامرأة نوح بالفاحشة​

And these Raphidha( i.e., Shi'ites ) accuse adultery to the wives of Prophets, i.e., Aesha and the wife of Noah.
(See, Minhaj As-Sunnah An-Nabawiyyah fi Naqdhi Kalam Ash-Shi'ah Al-Qadariyah, by Ibn Teymiyah)

But this is a big lie. There is not any authentic narration in Shi'it books about this issue. Rather, Shia great Ulama(scholars) have siad that the wives of Prophets were innocent from such things.

Alusi, a eminent Sunni scholar who was a Sunni great Mufasseer, wrote in his Tafseer book,

ونسب للشيعة قذف عائشة رضي الله تعالي عنها بما براها الله تعالي منه وهم ينكرون ذلك اشد الانكار وليس في كتبهم المعول عليها عندهم عين منه ولا اثر اصلا٬ وكذلك ينكرون ما نسب إليهم من القول بوقوع ذلك منها بعد وفاته صلى الله عليه وسلم وليس له أيضا في كتبهم عين ولا أثر
تفسير الروح و المعاني ـ آلوسي ـ ج 18 ص 122 .​

And it is attribute to Shi'its the accusation to A'isha(ra), what Allah has exculpated her from it( i.e., adultery ), while they( Shi'its ) reject this attributation seriously, and there is not any thing about this accusation in their authentic and common books. And like this, they( Shi'its ) reject what has been attributed to them about her doing of this issue after the demise of Rasulullah(saw), and indeed, there are not any trace about this issue(adultery of A'isha after demise of Rasulallah, sawaws) in their books, too.
(See, Tafseer Ruh Alma'ani, V.18, P.122)

Sheykh At-Tusi, a eminent Shi'i 'Alim( scholar ) wrote in his book,

ما زنت امرأة نبي قط​

All the wives of all the Prophets never commited adultery.
(See, At-Tibyan fi Tafseer Al-Qur'an, V.10, P.52)

Other Shia eminent scholars: Seyyed Motadha(ra) in Al-Amali,v2,p144-145; Sheykh Tabarsi in Majma' Al-Bayan,v5,p285; Molla Feyz Al-Kashani in Al-Asfa fi Tafseer Al-Qur'an, v2, p1325, etc.

Good luck!

 

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Salam Mojtaba . Please see below and share your thought . Thanks .

Fatwa on the official Site of Ayatullah Al Muhaqqiq al Sheikh Muhammad Jamil humud Al Amili which says Aisha RAA committed Zinah:


The Question:


What is the result of your research regarding Aisha as for her doing Zinah(Adultery) or Fahishah(Extreme Sin) and the narrations which are to that effect and the different opinions and what is the reply to those who explain the Fahishah as something other than Zinah from a linguistic sense? and from the narrations I know:


Ali bin Ibrahim RAA in his Tafseer he says regarding the saying of Allah “Allah presents an example”[Al Tahreem:10] The Allah placed them both as an example so he said: “Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them” [Al Tahrim: 10] Ali bin Ibrahim said: By Allah When he said that They betrayed them he meant Fahishah(Zinah), And to make al Hadd(execution) on Aisha who committed this act on her way to Basrah, and Talha used to love her so when she wanted to leave for Basrah he told her: ” You cannot leave without Mahram, So she married herself to him”.


Al Imam al Baqir PBUH and in it is his saying “He only meant Al Fahishah” and al Kulayni RAA narrated this in al Kafi from Ali bin Ibrahim with its Sanad from Zurarah, he also narrated it from Muhammad bin Yahya Al Attar with another Sanad from Zurarah RAA, And Al hurr al Amili narrated it from Kulayni in his Wasael just like Furat al Kufi narrated it in his Tafseer ect…


Answer by rafidi shia Ayatullah:


What al Kulayni and Ali bin Ibrahim and others have narrated regarding Aisha is SAHIH according to what it’s apparent to be, and these are trustworthy narrations and all of these are correct unless they contradict the Quran and the Mutawatir Sunnah and our Usool of Aqeedah… And what you mentioned about Aisha I don’t see that it contradicts our base in Aqeedah nor the book and the pure sunnah, So why make a big deal from it and make condemnation from such clear betrayal which we mentioned in our Sahih Hadiths while they(sunnies) only hinted towards it?

 

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Salam Mojtaba . Please see below and share your thought . Thanks .

Salam Union.
Thank you for your good questions which helps the more elaboration of the issue.

Fatwa on the official Site of Ayatullah Al Muhaqqiq al Sheikh Muhammad Jamil humud Al Amili which says Aisha RAA committed Zinah:

Muhammad Jamil humud Al Amili has said in the introduction of his book that this idea is only said by himself and other Shia Ulama(scholars) do not believe in it.
Also, after searching about his book, I found that according to the saying of Shia great Ulama(scholars) his book has not any scientific value.

Please follow my post for more elaborations:

'Ali bin Ibrahim RAA in his Tafseer he says regarding the saying of Allah “Allah presents an example”[Al Tahreem:10] The Allah placed them both as an example so he said: “Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them” [Al Tahrim: 10] Ali bin Ibrahim said: By Allah When he said that They betrayed them he meant Fahishah(Zinah), And to make al Hadd(execution) on Aisha who committed this act on her way to Basrah, and Talha used to love her so when she wanted to leave for Basrah he told her: ” You cannot leave without Mahram, So she married herself to him”.'

1.There are discords between Shia Ulama that, are all parts of the Tafseer book of Ali ibn Ibrahim( a great Shia scholar ) for himself, or there are some additions from his student, Abbas in Muhammad Qasim, to the book of Ali bin Ibrahim. In addition, it should be said that Abbas ibn Muhammad Qasim is indeed unknowm and we do not know he is relaible, or not. So, this quotation from the Tafseer of Ali ibn Ibrahim Al-Qomi is not valid.

In addition, Abdurrahiim Al-Rabbanii Al-Shiraazi( a Shia scholar ), the researcher of Bihar Al-Anwar, says:

فيه شناعة شديدة، وغرابة عجيبة، نستبعد صدور مثله عن شيخنا علي بن إبراهيم بل نظن قريبا انه من زيادات غيره، لان التفسير الموجود ليس بتمامه منه قدس سره، بل فيه زيادات كثيرة من غيره، فعلى أي هذه مقالة يخالفها المسلمون بأجمعهم من الخاصة والعامة وكلهم يقرون بقداسة أذيال أزواج النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) مما ذكرـ​

The saying of such bad things is far from our Sheykh, Ali ibn Ibrahim. Rather, I think strongly that it is indeed the addition of others in his book. Because, his avaliable Tafseer book, is not all of its patrs from him(Qoddisa Serroh). Indeed, there are many additions from others in his book. Anyway, all the Muslims, either Shia or Sunni, oppose this saying(the saying about commiting of adultery by Aesha), and all of them have asserted to the chastity of all the wives of Prophet(sawaws) from Adultery.
(Source, Bihar Al-Anwar, V.22, P.241)

2. Allama Majlisi( a Shia scholar ), the auther of Bihar Al-Anwar, siad that, based on Aql(reason) and Naql(Quran and Hadith), this saying about Aesha is not valid.
(Bihar Al-Anwar, V.32, P.107)

So, the issue you mentioned is unvalid and has not any scientific value.

Al Imam al Baqir PBUH and in it is his saying “He only meant Al Fahishah” and al Kulayni RAA narrated this in al Kafi from Ali bin Ibrahim with its Sanad from Zurarah, he also narrated it from Muhammad bin Yahya Al Attar with another Sanad from Zurarah RAA, And Al hurr al Amili narrated it from Kulayni in his Wasael just like Furat al Kufi narrated it in his Tafseer ect…

1. The Isnad( route of the narrations ) of this Hadith is not Sahih, rather it is indeed Mursal( one of the kinds of un-Sahih, i.e. unauthentic Hadiths ). Isnad of Hadith is,

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ يُونُسَ عَن رَجُلٍ عَنْ زُرَارَةَ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ​

Ali ibn Ibrahim narrated from Muhammad ibn Isa, who narrated from Yoonos, who narrated from a man, who narrated from Zorara, who narrated from Abi Ja'far(a.s.), 'the Hadith'.
(Usool Al-Kafi, V.2, P.402)

As the Isnad( the route of the narrators ) shows, the narrator who is between Yoonos and Zorara, is not known. So the narration is not authentic and has not any scientific value.

2. Regardless of authenticity of the narration, 'Al-Fahisha' which is used in the narration, does not mean 'who has commited adultery' in this case. Indeed, Al-Fahisha in this case means, who did not act according to the right and what Allah has ordered.

Ibn Manzoor wrote in his book, Lisan Al-Arab, different meanings of Al-Fahisha and he wrote also,

وقيل: الفاحشةُ خروجُها من بيتها بغير إِذن زوجها.​

It is siad, 'Al-Fahisha is a woman who comes out from her house without the leave of her husband.'
(Lisan Al-Arab, V.6, P.325)

According to Sunni authentic narrations, Prophet(sawaws) ordered Aesha not to come out from her house due to fighting against Imam Ali(a.s.). But she didn't do this order of Rasulallah(sawaws) and fought againts Imam Ali.
Haakim narrated a tradition with an authhentic route of the narrations that Prophet(sawaws) warned Aesha and said to her that not to come out from her house due to fighting against Imam Ali(as). See, Mustadrak of Haakim.

Ibn Manzoor also wrote in Lisan Al-Arab,

وكلُّ أَمر لا يكون موافقاً للحقِّ والقَدْر، فهو فاحشةٌ​

And any doing which is not based on the truth and the order of Allah, is indeed Al-Fahisha.
(Lisan Al-Arab, V.6, P.325)

Also, according to a narration in Sunni authentic books, like Sahih Muslim, Prophet said to Aesha, 'do not be Al-Fahisha', in which, Al-Fahisha means, who uses harsh words. See here.

So, 1) the Hadith which is in Usool al-Kafi is not authentic; 2) the term Al-Fahisha in the mentioned Hadith does not mean commiting adultery.

Answer by rafidi shia Ayatullah:
What al Kulayni and Ali bin Ibrahim and others have narrated regarding Aisha is SAHIH according to what it’s apparent to be, and these are trustworthy narrations and all of these are correct unless they contradict the Quran and the Mutawatir Sunnah and our Usool of Aqeedah… And what you mentioned about Aisha I don’t see that it contradicts our base in Aqeedah nor the book and the pure sunnah, So why make a big deal from it and make condemnation from such clear betrayal which we mentioned in our Sahih Hadiths while they(sunnies) only hinted towards it?

Unvalid saying which doesn't have any scientific value.

As I proved, according to the beliefs of Shi'ites, Aesha never commited adultery, either when Prophet(sawaws) was alive, or after the demise of Prophet(sawaws).

Good luck!

 

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Salam Union.
Thank you for your good questions which helps the more elaboration of the issue.


Muhammad Jamil humud Al Amili has said in the introduction of his book that this idea is only said by himself and other Shia Ulama(scholars) do not believe in it.
Also, after searching about his book, I found that according to the saying of Shia great Ulama(scholars) his book has not any scientific value.

Please follow my post for more elaborations:


1.There are discords between Shia Ulama that, are all parts of the Tafseer book of Ali ibn Ibrahim( a great Shia scholar ) for himself, or there are some additions from his student, Abbas in Muhammad Qasim, to the book of Ali bin Ibrahim. In addition, it should be said that Abbas ibn Muhammad Qasim is indeed unknowm and we do not know he is relaible, or not. So, this quotation from the Tafseer of Ali ibn Ibrahim Al-Qomi is not valid.

In addition, Abdurrahiim Al-Rabbanii Al-Shiraazi( a Shia scholar ), the researcher of Bihar Al-Anwar, says:

فيه شناعة شديدة، وغرابة عجيبة، نستبعد صدور مثله عن شيخنا علي بن إبراهيم بل نظن قريبا انه من زيادات غيره، لان التفسير الموجود ليس بتمامه منه قدس سره، بل فيه زيادات كثيرة من غيره، فعلى أي هذه مقالة يخالفها المسلمون بأجمعهم من الخاصة والعامة وكلهم يقرون بقداسة أذيال أزواج النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) مما ذكرـ​

The saying of such bad things is far from our Sheykh, Ali ibn Ibrahim. Rather, I think strongly that it is indeed the addition of others in his book. Because, his avaliable Tafseer book, is not all of its patrs from him(Qoddisa Serroh). Indeed, there are many additions from others in his book. Anyway, all the Muslims, either Shia or Sunni, oppose this saying(the saying about commiting of adultery by Aesha), and all of them have asserted to the chastity of all the wives of Prophet(sawaws) from Adultery.
(Source, Bihar Al-Anwar, V.22, P.241)

2. Allama Majlisi( a Shia scholar ), the auther of Bihar Al-Anwar, siad that, based on Aql(reason) and Naql(Quran and Hadith), this saying about Aesha is not valid.
(Bihar Al-Anwar, V.32, P.107)

So, the issue you mentioned is unvalid and has not any scientific value.


1. The Isnad( route of the narrations ) of this Hadith is not Sahih, rather it is indeed Mursal( one of the kinds of un-Sahih, i.e. unauthentic Hadiths ). Isnad of Hadith is,

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ يُونُسَ عَن رَجُلٍ عَنْ زُرَارَةَ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ​

Ali ibn Ibrahim narrated from Muhammad ibn Isa, who narrated from Yoonos, who narrated from a man, who narrated from Zorara, who narrated from Abi Ja'far(a.s.), 'the Hadith'.
(Usool Al-Kafi, V.2, P.402)

As the Isnad( the route of the narrators ) shows, the narrator who is between Yoonos and Zorara, is not known. So the narration is not authentic and has not any scientific value.

2. Regardless of authenticity of the narration, 'Al-Fahisha' which is used in the narration, does not mean 'who has commited adultery' in this case. Indeed, Al-Fahisha in this case means, who did not act according to the right and what Allah has ordered.

Ibn Manzoor wrote in his book, Lisan Al-Arab, different meanings of Al-Fahisha and he wrote also,

وقيل: الفاحشةُ خروجُها من بيتها بغير إِذن زوجها.​

It is siad, 'Al-Fahisha is a woman who comes out from her house without the leave of her husband.'
(Lisan Al-Arab, V.6, P.325)

According to Sunni authentic narrations, Prophet(sawaws) ordered Aesha not to come out from her house due to fighting against Imam Ali(a.s.). But she didn't do this order of Rasulallah(sawaws) and fought againts Imam Ali.
Haakim narrated a tradition with an authhentic route of the narrations that Prophet(sawaws) warned Aesha and said to her that not to come out from her house due to fighting against Imam Ali(as). See, Mustadrak of Haakim.

Ibn Manzoor also wrote in Lisan Al-Arab,

وكلُّ أَمر لا يكون موافقاً للحقِّ والقَدْر، فهو فاحشةٌ​

And any doing which is not based on the truth and the order of Allah, is indeed Al-Fahisha.
(Lisan Al-Arab, V.6, P.325)

Also, according to a narration in Sunni authentic books, like Sahih Muslim, Prophet said to Aesha, 'do not be Al-Fahisha', in which, Al-Fahisha means, who uses harsh words. See here.

So, 1) the Hadith which is in Usool al-Kafi is not authentic; 2) the term Al-Fahisha in the mentioned Hadith does not mean commiting adultery.


Unvalid saying which doesn't have any scientific value.

As I proved, according to the beliefs of Shi'ites, Aesha never commited adultery, either when Prophet(sawaws) was alive, or after the demise of Prophet(sawaws).

Good luck!

Thanks a lot for the clarifications .

 

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Ibn Teymiya wrote in one of his books,

وهؤلاء الرافضة يرمون أزواج الأنبياء : عائشة وامرأة نوح بالفاحشة​

And these Raphidha( i.e., Shi'ites ) accuse adultery to the wives of Prophets, i.e., Aesha and the wife of Noah.
(See, Minhaj As-Sunnah An-Nabawiyyah fi Naqdhi Kalam Ash-Shi'ah Al-Qadariyah, by Ibn Teymiyah)

But this is a big lie. There is not any authentic narration in Shi'it books about this issue. Rather, Shia great Ulama(scholars) have siad that the wives of Prophets were innocent from such things.

Alusi, a eminent Sunni scholar who was a Sunni great Mufasseer, wrote in his Tafseer book,

ونسب للشيعة قذف عائشة رضي الله تعالي عنها بما براها الله تعالي منه وهم ينكرون ذلك اشد الانكار وليس في كتبهم المعول عليها عندهم عين منه ولا اثر اصلا٬ وكذلك ينكرون ما نسب إليهم من القول بوقوع ذلك منها بعد وفاته صلى الله عليه وسلم وليس له أيضا في كتبهم عين ولا أثر
تفسير الروح و المعاني ـ آلوسي ـ ج 18 ص 122 .​

And it is attribute to Shi'its the accusation to A'isha(ra), what Allah has exculpated her from it( i.e., adultery ), while they( Shi'its ) reject this attributation seriously, and there is not any thing about this accusation in their authentic and common books. And like this, they( Shi'its ) reject what has been attributed to them about her doing of this issue after the demise of Rasulullah(saw), and indeed, there are not any trace about this issue(adultery of A'isha after demise of Rasulallah, sawaws) in their books, too.
(See, Tafseer Ruh Alma'ani, V.18, P.122)

Sheykh At-Tusi, a eminent Shi'i 'Alim( scholar ) wrote in his book,

ما زنت امرأة نبي قط​

All the wives of all the Prophets never commited adultery.
(See, At-Tibyan fi Tafseer Al-Qur'an, V.10, P.52)

Other Shia eminent scholars: Seyyed Motadha(ra) in Al-Amali,v2,p144-145; Sheykh Tabarsi in Majma' Al-Bayan,v5,p285; Molla Feyz Al-Kashani in Al-Asfa fi Tafseer Al-Qur'an, v2, p1325, etc.

Good luck!

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اللهم انطقني بالهدی و الهمني التقوی
Salamun Alaykum.

Dear brother, I checked it and noted some points to bring you them,
First I say that Yasir Al-Habib never said that Aisha committed adultery.

1.Yasir Al-Habib himself:
He is a scholar that his programs are recorded in England. The enmity of England's government with Islam is clear. Consider the famous and old policy of England, 'divide and rule'.
Also, Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran Islamic Revolution, has said frequently,
"That Sunnism, which is supported by America, and that Shi'ism, which is exported to the world from the center of London, they are both the same; both of them are brothers of the Devil; [and] both of them are agents of America and the West, and [the world] arrogance."(See here)

2.Cursing Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman:
A. Yasir Al-Habib never said that Aisha committed adultery.
B. Open cursing and abusing of them is Haram( unlawful ) in our view point. Our infallible Imams(a.s.) banned such doings. See the ff Hadith,

وقيل للصادق علیه السلام: يا ابن رسول الله ، إنّا نرى في المسجد رجلاً يعلن بسب أعدائكم ويسمّيهم. فقال : « ما له؟ لعنه الله! يعرض بنا ».وقال الله تعالى : ( ولا تسبُّوا الذين يدعون من دون الله فيسبُّوا الله عدواً بغير علم )ـ​

It was said to Imam Sadiq[6th Shia Imam](peace be upon him), "O, son of the Messenger of Allah! In the mosque, we see a man who abuse your enemies[like Sahaba who had enmity with Ahlul Bayt] with the saying of their names".
So Imam said, "What is his point?! May Allah curse him! [He through this doing] results in our cursing[by others, meaning Sunnis], while Allah Ta'ala says, 'Do not abuse those whom they invoke besides Allah, lest they should abuse Allah out of hostility, without any knowledge.[i.e., we should not abuse the holy things or peoples of the other faith, which results in the abusing of our Holy things or individuals, like Allah or our Prophet and Imams][6:108]' "
(Source, Bihar al-Anwar, vol 71, pg. 217.)

Our Imams(peace be upon them) ordered us to be unit with Sunnis. For example see the ff authentic Hadith,
Whoever does Jama'ah Salat(i.e., congregational prayer) with Ahlul Sunnah in the first row, is like who does Jama'ah Salat behind Allah's Messenger(peace be upon him and his pure progeny) in the first row.
(Source: Al-Mahajjatul Baydha by al-Feydh al-Kashani, vol. 1, pg. 343)

3. Yasir Al-Habib said that the Ifk Aya( آية الافک ) did not revealed in favor of Aisha:
Yes. We believe that those verses were revealed in favor of Maria al-Qibtiyya, another wife of Rasulallah(sawaws), an issue which could be proven by your books, like Al-Mustadrak of Haakim and Sahih Muslim . But this does not mean we believe that Aisha committed adultery, as I clarified in the posts 2 and specially 5.

4.قتل رسول الله(صلی الله علیه و آله و سلم)
I think he meant the Hadith which is in Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim. Allah says, وَما آتاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَما نَهاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانْتَهُوا( A-Hashr:7) and وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الهَْوَى‏. إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْى يُوحَى( An-Najm:3-4). Bringing this Hadith doesn't mean I absolutely believe in what Yasir al-Habib said.

If you need more clarifications, say me.

Waffaqakallah!

 

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اللهم انطقني بالهدی و الهمني التقوی
Salamun Alaykum.

Dear brother, I checked it and noted some points to bring you them,
First I say that Yasir Al-Habib never said that Aisha committed adultery.

1.Yasir Al-Habib himself:
He is a scholar that his programs are recorded in England. The enmity of England's government with Islam is clear. Consider the famous and old policy of England, 'divide and rule'.
Also, Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran Islamic Revolution, has said frequently,
"That Sunnism, which is supported by America, and that Shi'ism, which is exported to the world from the center of London, they are both the same; both of them are brothers of the Devil; [and] both of them are agents of America and the West, and [the world] arrogance."(See here)

2.Cursing Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman:
A. Yasir Al-Habib never said that Aisha committed adultery.
B. Open cursing and abusing of them is Haram( unlawful ) in our view point. Our infallible Imams(a.s.) banned such doings. See the ff Hadith,

وقيل للصادق علیه السلام: يا ابن رسول الله ، إنّا نرى في المسجد رجلاً يعلن بسب أعدائكم ويسمّيهم. فقال : « ما له؟ لعنه الله! يعرض بنا ».وقال الله تعالى : ( ولا تسبُّوا الذين يدعون من دون الله فيسبُّوا الله عدواً بغير علم )ـ​

It was said to Imam Sadiq[6th Shia Imam](peace be upon him), "O, son of the Messenger of Allah! In the mosque, we see a man who abuse your enemies[like Sahaba who had enmity with Ahlul Bayt] with the saying of their names".
So Imam said, "What is his point?! May Allah curse him! [He through this doing] results in our cursing[by others, meaning Sunnis], while Allah Ta'ala says, 'Do not abuse those whom they invoke besides Allah, lest they should abuse Allah out of hostility, without any knowledge.[i.e., we should not abuse the holy things or peoples of the other faith, which results in the abusing of our Holy things or individuals, like Allah or our Prophet and Imams][6:108]' "
(Source, Bihar al-Anwar, vol 71, pg. 217.)

Our Imams(peace be upon them) ordered us to be unit with Sunnis. For example see the ff authentic Hadith,
Whoever does Jama'ah Salat(i.e., congregational prayer) with Ahlul Sunnah in the first row, is like who does Jama'ah Salat behind Allah's Messenger(peace be upon him and his pure progeny) in the first row.
(Source: Al-Mahajjatul Baydha by al-Feydh al-Kashani, vol. 1, pg. 343)

3. Yasir Al-Habib said that the Ifk Aya( آية الافک ) did not revealed in favor of Aisha:
Yes. We believe that those verses were revealed in favor of Maria al-Qibtiyya, another wife of Rasulallah(sawaws), an issue which could be proven by your books, like Al-Mustadrak of Haakim and Sahih Muslim . But this does not mean we believe that Aisha committed adultery, as I clarified in the posts 2 and specially 5.

4.قتل رسول الله(صلی الله علیه و آله و سلم)
I think he meant the Hadith which is in Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim. Allah says, وَما آتاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَما نَهاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانْتَهُوا( A-Hashr:7) and وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الهَْوَى‏. إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْى يُوحَى( An-Najm:3-4). Bringing this Hadith doesn't mean I absolutely believe in what Yasir al-Habib said.

If you need more clarifications, say me.

Waffaqakallah!

Thank you,
I assume you don't speak arabic, or you didn't listen to the link I provided, it refutes all your points above. my point in this, is to show you that you are wrongfully accusing the man with lies, simply by assuming that what other says must be true.

 

[mojtaba]

Thank you,
I assume you don't speak arabic, or you didn't listen to the link I provided, it refutes all your points above. my point in this, is to show you that you are wrongfully accusing the man with lies, simply by assuming that what other says must be true.

1. Ibn Teymiya died about 688 yrs ago, while Yasir Al-Habib is now alive! So, Ibn Teymiya lied.
2. Alusi, a fanatic Wahhabi and a famous Sunni scholar clearly and directly said that this slander to Shi'its is a lie. (See, http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=5020&idto=5020&bk_no=201&ID=5070)

وما ينسب للشيعةمما يخالف ذلك في حق سيد الأنبياء صلى الله تعالى عليه وسلم كذب عليهم فلا تعول عليه وإن كان شائعا​

3. Yasir Al-Habib used your sources too.
4. Our divinity schools have rejected Yasir Al-Habib frequently.
5. Our great Maraji'( religious scholars and references ) reject Yasir Al-Habib.
6. Our supreme leader and great Marja', Ayatollah Khamenei rejects him( see post 8 ).

So, we as Shia do not believe in that lie.
Waffaqakallah brother.

 

[Britedream]

1. Ibn Teymiya died about 688 yrs ago, while Yasir Al-Habib is now alive! So, Ibn Teymiya lied.
2. Alusi, a fanatic Wahhabi and a famous Sunni scholar clearly and directly said that this slander to Shi'its is a lie. (See, http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=5020&idto=5020&bk_no=201&ID=5070)

وما ينسب للشيعةمما يخالف ذلك في حق سيد الأنبياء صلى الله تعالى عليه وسلم كذب عليهم فلا تعول عليه وإن كان شائعا​

3. Yasir Al-Habib used your sources too.
4. Our divinity schools have rejected Yasir Al-Habib frequently.
5. Our great Maraji'( religious scholars and references ) reject Yasir Al-Habib.
6. Our supreme leader and great Marja', Ayatollah Khamenei rejects him( see post 8 ).

So, we as Shia do not believe in that lie.
Waffaqakallah brother.

Thank you.
You further prove my point, but before I explain that, please let me clarify something first.
Whenever I say this is a lie, I don't mean you intended to lie, but the statement itself is a lie; has no basis.
Now , let us see what you have said, and what you are saying:

You have said:

1.Yasir Al-Habib himself:
He is a scholar that his programs are recorded in England.

2.Cursing Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman:
A. Yasir Al-Habib never said that Aisha committed adultery.

in your first quite you acknowledged that he is a scholar; A person with knowledge, but people are not born with knowledge, they acquire it, so he must acquired it from books and teachers, as it will become obvious soon.

In your second quote you denied that he said Aisha committed adultery.

Now you are saying:

1. Ibn Teymiya died about 688 yrs ago, while Yasir Al-Habib is now alive! So, Ibn Teymiya lied.

in the quote above, you conceded that he was saying Aisha committed adultery; which makes your earlier quote a lie, but to you it doesn't matter , ibn Teymiya died before him, so he could not have heard him, as to that, he still lying.

And you are saying:

2. Alusi, a fanatic Wahhabi and a famous Sunni scholar clearly and directly said that this slander to Shi'its is a lie. (See, http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=5020&idto=5020&bk_no=201&ID=5070)
‎وما ينسب للشيعةمما يخالف ذلك في حق سيد الأنبياء صلى الله تعالى عليه وسلم كذب عليهم فلا تعول عليه وإن كان شائعا

in the quote above, you have committed two argument fallacies, first one, is you took an opinion as a fact; if you were to go up view lines further in the same paragraph, you would have seen, that he said; he could not conceive that someone can say that, unless he is himself the son of an adulterer. You may very well know that sunni does't use Shiaat's books as reference, so he may not be aware of the reality in what' Shiits books contain, even though he acknowledges that what has been said about the Shiaat in this regard is Widely known.

Second fallacy, is that you are using sources that you do not acknowledge, as proof to your conclusion.

And you are saying:

3. Yasir Al-Habib used your sources too.
4. Our divinity schools have rejected Yasir Al-Habib frequently.
5. Our great Maraji'( religious scholars and references ) reject Yasir Al-Habib.
6. Our supreme leader and great Marja', Ayatollah Khamenei rejects him( see post 8 ).

Your well known scholars will respond to your points above; I will just list two of them, this will be enough to prove the point, even though they are many.

1- Alqumi - القمي
In his famous interpretation of the Quran he said in his book 2 page 377:
‎قال علي بن ابراهيم في قوله (ضرب الله مثلا) ثم ضرب الله فيهما مثلا فقال: (ضرب الله مثلا للذين كفروا امرأة نوح وامرأة لوط كانتا تحت عبدين من عبادنا صالحين فخانتاهما) فقال والله ما عنى بقوله فخانتاهما إلا الفاحشة وليقيمن الحد على فلانة فيما اتت في طريق وكان فلان يحبها فلما أرادت ان تخرج إلى... قال لها فلان لا يحل لك ان تخرجي من غير محرم فزوجت نفسها من فلان

In english: Ali son of Abraham said Allah saying ( Allah had put forth an example) then Allah said an example of both ( Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve:The wife of Noah and the wife of lot, Who were under two of our righteous salves yet betrayed them ......) he said I swear by Allah, that Allah means by betrayed them Adultery.

AL majlisi - المجلسي
another famous scholar of yours, saying the exact thing as above in his interpretation of the Quran, in his book bihar alanwar book 22 page 240

‎قال علي العاملي البياضي
‎( قالوا : برأها الله في قوله { أولئك مبرؤون مما يقولون } قلنا : ذلك تنزيه لنبيه عن الزنا لا لها كما أجمع فيه المفسرون )
‎ج 3 صفحة : 165
‎كتاب الصراط المستقيم على مستحقي التقديم

As you see in the above quote, Ali Al bydhawi saying; they (referring to Sunni) said Allah has said "they are innocent of that which people say " but we say Allah only glorified his prophet from adultery, not them.

He also said, all Quran interpreters ( meaning Shiaah) agree on this interpretation.
The book 3 page 165 of al sirat al musatqeem ala mustehiqi alteqdeem

Now, it should be obvious to you who is lying.

 

[mojtaba]

Thank you.
You further prove my point, but before I explain that, please let me clarify something first.
Whenever I say this is a lie, I don't mean you intended to lie, but the statement itself is a lie; has no basis.
Now , let us see what you have said, and what you are saying:

Salamun Aleykum my Muslim brother.

in your first quite you acknowledged that he is a scholar; A person with knowledge, but people are not born with knowledge, they acquire it, so he must acquired it from books and teachers, as it will become obvious soon.

1.Scholars could be either weak and non-worthy or strong and worthy. As it could be seen in my sayings, I meant that Yasir Al-Habib is a non-worthy scholar. Because I said that many worthy and strong Shia eminent scholars and Maraji', like Ayatollah Khamenei( Hafazahollaho Ta'ala ), reject him. Brother, as I brought the Hadiths, our infallible Imams(pbut) did not let us act like Yasir Al-Habib.

2.As I said, Yasir Al-Habib is supported with england government, not Shias. And it is a famous and old policy of England that, 'divide and rule'.

In your second quote you denied that he said Aisha committed adultery.
Now you are saying:...in the quote above, you conceded that he was saying Aisha committed adultery; which makes your earlier quote a lie.

Brother, I saw the video twice. In the first time, I watched it generally with a little precise and so that I did not see the point which you meant. Then, because you awared me about the issue, I again watched it more precisely. So that, I saw the part which you meant. This is the reason of my two different sayings.

in the quote above, you have committed two argument fallacies, first one, is you took an opinion as a fact; if you were to go up view lines further in the same paragraph, you would have seen, that he said; he could not conceive that someone can say that, unless he is himself the son of an adulterer. You may very well know that sunni does't use Shiaat's books as reference, so he may not be aware of the reality in what' Shiits books contain, even though he acknowledges that what has been said about the Shiaat in this regard is Widely known.

There is not any fallacy.
Brother, Alusi said, 'there is not any thing about this issue in Shia ordinary and authentic books and Shias strongly reject this attributation [which Sunnis wrongly attribute] to them'( see post 2 ). Also, you are wrong. Alusi read Shia books. If you see his Tafseer book, he has frequently mentioned the beliefs of Shi'its in it, and according to his delusion, he has rejected them.

Second fallacy, is that you are using sources that you do not acknowledge, as proof to your conclusion.

This implies that you are not awar of the goal of the thead. I created this thread to share what Shias believe for those Sunnis who have read satanic books of Ibn Teymiya and think that his lies are true.
I am debating with Sunnis like you. So that, I can use your sources to prove what I say to you. Therefore, there is not any fallacy.

Your well known scholars will respond to your points above; I will just list two of them, this will be enough to prove the point, even though they are many.
In english: Ali son of Abraham said Allah saying ( Allah had put forth an example) then Allah said an example of both ( Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve:The wife of Noah and the wife of lot, Who were under two of our righteous salves yet betrayed them ......) he said I swear by Allah, that Allah means by betrayed them adultery.
AL majlisi - المجلسي
another famous scholar of yours, saying the exact thing as above in his interpretation of the Quran, in his book bihar alanwar book 22 page 240

About Ali ibn Ibrahim Al-Qomi and Allama Majlisi( Radhiyallahu Ta'ala Anhoom ). I have completely answered to this issue in the post #5. See that post.
According to that post,
1. There are some additiones from others in the book of Ali ibn Ibrahim Al-Qomi. We do not know those who added this additions to his book. Abdurrahiim Al-Rabbanii Al-Shiraazi( a Shia scholar ), the researcher of Bihar Al-Anwar, has said that, that part is strongly between those additions to his book and it is far from Ali ibn Ibrahim( who was a worthy Shia scholar ) such this wrong things.

2.About Allama Majlisi, as I mentioned in the post #5, yes, he narrated what is in the book of Ali ibn Ibrahim Al-Qumi( a distorted book ). But, after mentioning the issue, he has rejected it in Bihar Al-Anwar and said that reason(Al-Aql), Quran and Hadiths( An-Naql ), etc. reject it(بيان: المراد بفلان طلحة وهذا إن كان رواية فهي شاذة مخالفة لبعض الأصول، وإن كان قد يبدو من طلحة ما يدل على أنه كان في ضميره الخبيث مثل ذلك لكن وقوع أمثال ذلك بعيد عقلا ونقلا وعرفا وعادة وترك التعرض لأمثاله أولى.) See, Bihar Al-Anwar, V. 32, P. 107.

As you see in the above quote, Ali Al bydhawi saying; they (referring to Sunni) said Allah has said "they are innocent of that which people say " but we say Allah only glorified his prophet from adultery, not them.

He also said, all Quran interpreters ( meaning Shiaah) agree on this interpretation.
The book 3 page 165 of al sirat al musatqeem ala mustehiqi alteqdeem

Brother, how can you conclude from that saying that [ Na'uzoo Billah ] the author said, 'Aesha committed adultery'?!
His saying doesn't mean she did it. For example, if I say,' the verse of Quran "they are innocent of that which people say" was not revealed for all the Muslims( a true saying )', so does this saying of mine mean that all the Muslims committe adultery?! The answer is clear. No, it doesn't. So, the author never meant that Aesha did that doing.

Waffaqakallah brother!