Muslims Only! - The "true" Islam/Islam Reformed?

[YmirGF]

Sorry i cant vote because i dont see the option: Iam Muslim and i dont consider ahmadis to be muslims!

Thanks for taking part in my poll, Servant_of_the_One1, but would not choice #1 be appropriate then? It does, by default, include your position.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Thanks for taking part in my poll, Servant_of_the_One1, but would not choice #1 be appropriate then? It does, by default, include your position.

I suspect Servant believes the first option isn't forthright enough in its conclusion that Ahmadis aren't Muslims. You could read "I am a Muslim and DISAGREE that the Ahmadiyya sect represents a reformed true Islam" as saying that Ahmadiyya hasn't reformed Islam, but it's still a part of Islam.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The bottom is fine.

I believe they are not muslims. Thats my freedom of religion.

No argument here.

 

[Gharib]

Peace be on you:

""Most traditions speak of Isaas (Jesus) and Al-Mahdi (the Guided Imam) as two different persons. But there is one prominent exception. Ibn-e-Majah—one of the six authentic books of tradition—creates a strong impression that the two Promised Reformers would in fact be one person, only holding two different titles. The exact words of the tradition run as follows:

There would be no Mahdi other than Isa (Jesus).""

(Sunan Ibn-e-Majah. Kitabul-Fitan)

Ref:https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_7_section_1.html


Related resource:
What was the need for Imam Mahdi and why should Imam Mahdi be acceptable to us, when the Holy Quran is complete; the traditions are there and the contents of these books are final?
@ https://www.alislam.org/library/links/QA_mahdi.html

So ignoring a thousand hadith to make exception for only one which supports your claim, sounds reasonable and logical to you?

Only two of the hadith collections contain only Sahih Hadith, the rest contain weak hadith among the strong. So a Hadith foud somewhere else that contradicts Bukhari and Muslim is questionable.

 

[DawudTalut]

So ignoring a thousand hadith to make exception for only one which supports your claim, sounds reasonable and logical to you?

Only two of the hadith collections contain only Sahih Hadith, the rest contain weak hadith among the strong. So a Hadith foud somewhere else that contradicts Bukhari and Muslim is questionable.

Peace be on you.
Besides the fact that the two very different countenances, scope of works and to whom they are for, two men are mentioned in Islam about incoming reformer with the name Esa -- the other title is given Mahdi.

1=The places where Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) mentions the reformer of latter days, he mentions Esa only.
"How can that ummah be destroyed, I am at its start, and Esa bin Maryam at its end."
[Mishkaat, Ikmaluddin, Kazul umal]

If Imam Mahdi was to be a different person his mention should have been made.


2=Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) has elsewhere said:
"yusheko man aasha minkum an yalqa esabna maryama imaman mahdiyan wa kakaman adala"
[Masnd Imam Ahmad bin Hanbl]
so Incoming Esa is Mahdi and Arbitar and Justice.

3=The hadith given earlier.

4=The countenances, works and state of coming of Promised Messiah and Mahdi has mentioned in same way. It shows these are two titles of one man.
Countenance of Promised Messiah
"fa eza rajolun odamun ka-ahsaney ma yoraa min oda mir rijal" [ Bukhari]..... man of wheatish colour best seen in men.

Countenance of Mahdi
"odamo dharbumum minar rijal" [Muslim, Kazul omal] .......wheatish colour man.

==

State of coming of Promised Messiah
in two yellow sheets [ Tirmizi, Mishkaat]

State of coming of Mahdi
Two yellow dress on him, like men of bani israeell [Abu dawood]

==

About Work of Promised Messiah
He will flow-ly distribute wealth [ Muslim, Bukhari]

About Work of Mahdi
He will distribute wealth and act within people [Abu dawood]

.....obviously these are spiritual wealths

Thus by way of appearances and scope of work, Mahdi and Promised Messiah are same.

===
Regarding Imam Mahdi, Holy Prophet s.a.w. said:

“When you see him (Imam Mahdi) then certainly perform bait to him even if you have to crawl over your knees through the mountains of snow because he (Imam Mahdi) will be the Khalifa of Allah.”
[Ibne Maajah, Abu dawood]

===

Variation of the word is used as هاد

[39:37]Is not Allah sufficient for His servant? And yet they would frighten thee with those beside Him. And he whom Allah adjudges astray — for him there is no guide.

[13:8] And those who disbelieve say, ‘Wherefore has not a Sign been sent down to him from his Lord?’ Thou art, surely, a Warner. And there is a Guide for every people.

Nazeer, Basheer, Haad are all words for divine messengers.


Another way to look it, there is the verse with word بالهدى

[9:33] He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over every other religion, even though the idolaters may dislike it.


Thus in fact one of title of every Messenger from Allah is Mahdi --The guided leader. That is why he guides people. Off course the sender is Allah - Al hadi (الهادى) - The Guide.

Ref: alislamDOTorg/quran

Good wishes.

In any case, if there are things not understood, which stops one to accept the call, Allah - the Guide always guides to the truth for seeker about this great issue.

The Power of Allah always decides that with whom He stands.

 

[Smart_Guy]

How come I missed the notification for this? It probably lost in action in my Bali trip.

Anyways, I chose "other", and since the explanation is required, I have no choice . I believe that Ahmady Islam is another view/sect of Islam regardless to reformation. I don't either agree nor disagree, in relation to the poll here, and I'm neutral in it. It is only normal for a believer to believe that his belief is the true one. It is their choice and I respect that. I do disagree with some of its parts, not as a whole system, but that's normal for all of Islamic views/sects even in the individual level. It is just this time that many people gathered for it.

I don't think this subject is that complicated really.

 

[Pastek]

If I may, I'm very familiar with the Sunni view on this issue, and to keep things short, Sunni Islam considers Ahmadiyya Islam to be based on the claims of a false prophet, as Mirza Ghulam Ahmed's claim to prophecy is, according to Sunni scholars, clearly contradicted by this Qur'anic verse:

Our Sunni Muslim members are free to correct me if I'm wrong.

And also because of many hadiths which are ignored by the Ahmadis.

No more prophet/messenger :

The Prophet said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number."

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/60/122

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) set out for Tabuk. appointing Ali as his deputy (in Medina). Ali said, "Do you want to leave me with the children and women?"
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? But there will be no prophet after me.

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/64/438

I asked Abi Aufa, "Did you see Ibrahim, the son of the Prophet (ﷺ) ?
" He said, "Yes, but he died in his early childhood. Had there been a Prophet after Muhammad then his son would have lived, but there is no Prophet after him."

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/78/218

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "My similitude in comparison with the other prophets before me, is that of a man who has built a house nicely and beautifully, except for a place of one brick in a corner. The people go about it and wonder at its beauty, but say: 'Would that this brick be put in its place!' So I am that brick, and I am the last of the Prophets."

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/61/44

More hadiths here : http://www.ahlesunnat.net/media-library/downloads/regularupdates/khatmenabuwwat.htm

Only one prophet will come (back) after Muhammad :

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (ﷺ). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him (..)

http://sunnah.com/abudawud/39/34

Rassool : Messenger
Nabi : Prophet

No other Book after the Quran, we must believe in it all :

5.3 (...) This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion Al-Islam (...)

6. 154 Again, We gave the Scripture unto Moses, complete for him who would do good, an explanation of all things, a guidance and a mercy, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.

6.155 And this is a blessed Scripture which We have revealed. So follow it and ward off (evil), that ye may find mercy.


But the Ahmadis view about Jesus is different from the Quran and the hadiths :

"Mirza Ghulam Ahmad , who claimed to have fulfilled the prophecies of the world's reformer during the end times."

He claimed that he was the Mujaddid (divine reformer) of the 14th Islamic century, the promised Messiah and Mahdi awaited by Muslims.


They accept Books who were not confirmed in the Quran nor the hadiths :

Thus, according to the Ahmadi teachings, books outside of the Abrahamic tradition, such as the Vedas and Avesta are too considered as of being divine origin.


And many other things like :

"Ahmadi Muslims also believe that the "Promised Messiah" and the "Imam Mahdi" are the same person"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya

But Jesus is a hebrew and Imam Mahdi an arab while Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is any of this.


So this is maybe a little off topic and i'm not bashing the Ahmadis that i respect, but that's important to explain the opinion of other muslims toward the Ahmadis.
The Ahmadis believe and practice in many points like the other muslims : Ramadhan, prayers etc
But the question of the Messiah and prophethood is very important for us.
They are i think for many muslims seen like the Bahais. Because they followed an other prophet it's like they didn't really accepted what the Quran and Muhammad said.
So like if they were a sect near to Islam but not Islamic.

So the question is "are they muslims first, so we can say that maybe they were reforming Islam "?
It's like if Bahais are reforming Islam or any other group who is not seen by the majority as part of the religion, so not credible.

Again i generalize, because there's some muslims (sunni, shia, sufis, quranist etc) who see them as muslims.
As i already explained in an other thread for me they are 50/50 : muslims and not muslims. (so not fully muslims for me)
Muslim because they say they are and the Shahada is " I witness there not God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" which is sufficient to say you are muslim. They believe in Allah, Quran & Muhammad and follow the 5 pillars.
But in an other side, they follow someone who wasn't send by God and Muhammad and Allah were quite clear about that issue.

If their prophet haven't say he was the Messiah and fullified the propheties it would have maybe be more accepted.
But saying that Jesus already came ...

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't know enought about the Ahmadi muslims to answer.
1- I think they are, even if we disagree about some things like their other prophet.
2- Probably, i agree most of time with Dawud Talout
3- Probably
Ps : i'm not a big fan of El Azhar, many people who studied there said it should be reformed and they teached many non sense things.

Mirza Ghualm Ahmad is Imam Mahdi and Messiah/Issa, he follows Quran of Allah and Sunnah of Muhammad, there is no other Quran or Sunnah. He is a Khalifa of Muhammad in later days.
Regards

 

[Gharib]

Peace be on you.
Besides the fact that the two very different countenances, scope of works and to whom they are for, two men are mentioned in Islam about incoming reformer with the name Esa -- the other title is given Mahdi.

Imam Mahdi is foretold will establish Khilafah based on the true teachings of Islam. I asked this question before to which I got no reply so I will ask it again.

If Ahmadis follow the true Imam Mahdi, and now you have Khilafah that is based on the correct teachings as he left it, can your Khalif issue an order of flogging against an unmarried couple for fornication? Can he issue an order of mutilation of the hand for theft?

As far as any lay Muslim goes, I am very certain they have the capability to at least understand that a Khilafah based on correct teachings of Islam cannot exist within a secular country. We rule on our own and have our own land.

 

[Pastek]

Mirza Ghualm Ahmad is Imam Mahdi and Messiah/Issa, he follows Quran of Allah and Sunnah of Muhammad, there is no other Quran or Sunnah. He is a Khalifa of Muhammad in later days.
Regards

So if you believe the Sunnah, you know what Jesus and the Mahdi are supposed to do.
We haven't see the propheties realized.

 

[paarsurrey]

So if you believe the Sunnah, you know what Jesus and the Mahdi are supposed to do.
We haven't see the propheties realized.

Of course Sunnah- the acts demonstrated by Muhammad for which there is a commandment in Quran to do them periodically like Salat, or fasting or Zakat etc are the same, without any change. Jesus and Mahdi, two titles in one person (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) cannot change anything being Successor of Muhammad in End-Times, he is to obey Muhammad and to fix the people on his path, and he is doing exactly that.
Regards

 

[DawudTalut]

Imam Mahdi is foretold will establish Khilafah based on the true teachings of Islam. I asked this question before to which I got no reply so I will ask it again.

If Ahmadis follow the true Imam Mahdi, and now you have Khilafah that is based on the correct teachings as he left it, can your Khalif issue an order of flogging against an unmarried couple for fornication? Can he issue an order of mutilation of the hand for theft?

As far as any lay Muslim goes, I am very certain they have the capability to at least understand that a Khilafah based on correct teachings of Islam cannot exist within a secular country. We rule on our own and have our own land.

Peace be on you.
1= Our concept of Khilafat emanates from

Translation
[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

[24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.

==Thus Ahmadiyya Imam Mahdi (a.s.) [also being spiritual second coming of Hazrat Esa a.s.] is the grand Khalifah of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) in this era.

==After Imam Mahdi (the Promised Messiah) passed away, his Khilafat began which is current Fifth Ahmadiyya Khilafat.

==A Man from God reigns over hearts basically.


2=It is said about Holy Prophet (s.a.w.)

[73:16] Verily, We have sent to you a Messenger, who is a witness over you, even as We sent a Messenger to Pharaoh.


and prayer is taught:

[1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

Both implies
a-Time was to come within Islam as time came for people of Hazrat Moses and Hazrat Esa (peace be on them).
b-Holy Prophet is in way likened to Hazrat Moses a.s.
c-Hazrat Moses a.s. was given Hazrat Esa a.s. after 1400 years.
d-Holy Prophet s.a.w. was too given Promised Messiah after 1400 years.

e-Imam Mahdi (i.e. Promised Messiah) is in also in colour of Original Messiah....... His government is on hearts, He says in poem;
What I have with countries, my country is, from all, different
What I have with crowns, my crown is pleasure of Friend

3=Ahmadiyya Community has its spiritual systems which takes cares of morals of members. But they observe the country's law too.....When Muslims migrated to Abyssinia they lived under his rule......Main work of Khilafat is about what Holy Prophet s.a.w. guided:

The Companion Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet when Surah Jumua was revealed. I enquired from the Holy Prophet, Who are the people to whom the words, "And among others who have not yet joined them" Salman, the Persian was sitting among us. Upon my repeated asking him the same question the Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman and said;If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would surely find it. [Ref: Book of Hadith, Bukhari]

4=You are very welcome read our views about Khilafat @
https://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/

Thanks.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

[1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray

Give us verses
This verse says that they hated Jews and Christians astray ??
Why are the Jews hated them ??
They are the first peoples who announced the fact Unification
Does God plotted his people ??

 

[DawudTalut]

Give us verses
This verse says that they hated Jews and Christians astray ??
Why are the Jews hated them ??
They are the first peoples who announced the fact Unification
Does God plotted his people ??

Peace be on you.
You quoted the verse I mentioned i.e.
[1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

Please note the verse is mentioning Three kind of people from previous people.
It include the blessed people too.
These blessed people were from all previous people including Jews, Christians and others.

==

Translation
[7:160] And of the people of Moses there is a party that exhorts people to truth and does justice therewith.

One is sure pious Jews are being mentioned here.

[3:114] They are not all alike. Among the People of the Book there is a party who stand by their covenant; they recite the word of Allah in the hours of night and prostrate themselves before Him.

Satisfied?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

And can someone from the Ahmadi belief answer my questions on post #5.

Don't expect an answer from at least one Ahmadi here. He'll never admit Islam was spread through conflict & violence. Your honesty on the subject is quite refreshing - even if it does have disturbing implications for the present day.

 

[DawudTalut]

Answer to post # 5

......A great aspect of Islam, which cannot be denied, is Jihad in the meaning of war.

Peace be on you.

No, To our understanding, originally Jihad was not in the meaning of war..


a=Jihad جهاد is derived from word جهد which means to struggle......Later, the word Jihad was used for war.


b=When a Prophet comes comes, his pious and progressive follower are envied by existing clergies etc. Similarly, Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) and Sahabah (r.a.) were opposed vehemently. Sahabah were martyred mercilessly. Many times stones were thrown at Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) and he was wounded. They suffered for 13 years. When mischiefs of opponents crossed all limits of barbarity, God told them He is watching them, they are allowed to defend, oppressors should be met in equal terms of punishment:


[22:40]Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged — and Allah indeed has power to help them —


[22:41]Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah’ — And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty —



Islam has always spread by it own excellences. Quran teaches to not use force to spread Islam. Present good models and attract the world to Islam. It was the truth and sincerity of early Muslims when they were in hundred they competed thousands, when they were thousands they competed thousands of thousands. They gave lives to defend faith from opponents. They were such devotee of faith that they bore hardships and reached to Africa and China and other places like darvesh to convey Islam.



Clergies did not explain the meaning correctly to masses. Their emotional speeches turn common people into wild people and deprive them from excellences of humanity. When they meet rulers they bow as if they shall do prostration but in their private sittings they talk about killings.



Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad -- The Promised Messiah Mahdi (a.s.) said: [Gist] Clergies are so hard at their wrong stance, and which is against Quran and Hadith, about Jihad if anyone differ from their thought they call him Dajjal and declare he should be killed. I am under this Fatwa since years. They are wrong when they say if Jihad was allowed in previous times why it is stopped now. The answer is:


Firstly, our Prophet (s.a.w.) did not raise sword except against those who killed pious innocent men, women and children mercilessly.


Secondly, suppose, if there was any such directive existed, it is not for this era, because it is said that when Promised Messiah will come, Jihad of sword (weapon) and religious wars will end. Promised Messiah will not raise sword or earthly weapon. His weapon will be his prayer and spiritual attention. He will make base for peace and gather goat and lion at one water-pond.


I have not said it from my self, Read the hadith of Bukhari which tells about Promised Messiah that يضع الحرب when he will come he will cease the war.


----


[25:53]So obey not the disbelievers and fight against them by means of it (the Qur’an) a great fight.


Please read note 2684 @

http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1899&region=E1&CR=EN,E2

It is through the wars against the Romans and the Persians that Islam spread so far, so quick and was accepted so much (not through force but through it's tolerance of diversity etc).

When early Muslim progressed, nations at border created problems, please remember how Persian King sent envoys to arrest Holy Prophet s.a.w. [nauzobillah] and how Allah showed miracle, Holy Prophet s.a.w. prayed and told them tonight my God has killed your God. Members were surprised they went back. Exactly that had happened, King’s son had overpowered his own father......So that is how neighbours were thinking and taking actions.


So it was not spread of Islam with sword:


“”During the last days of his life, the Holy Prophet [s.a.w.] had raised an army to be sent against the Romans who had made some incursions into the Northern borders. This army was still in medina when the Holy Prophet [s.a.w.] passed away. As Hadrat Abu Bakr [ra] became Khalifah, the law and order situation within and outside the Medina became very delicate. In view of this grace danger, many Companions of Holy Prophet [s.a.w.] advised him not to send the army against Romans. But Hadrat Abu Bakr [ra] replied forcefully, “What authority has the Son of Abu Qahafah, to stop that which was started by the Holy Prophet [s.a.w.]. The Muslim army, under the command of Hadrat Khalid bin Walid [ra], crushed a rebellion in Bahrain. Then the Persians were defeated, who had supported the rebels of Bahrain.....””


Ref:https://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/abubakar.html

Mirza changed the meaning of Jihad to mean only a struggle through peaceful purposes.

Full answer has been given in early section that original purpose of Jihad was a vast idea of struggle, and secondly it is the property of Promised Messiah that he will cease the religious war. [he did not stop to defend country or personal things].


Please find details and about British @

https://www.alislam.org/jihad/

Moreover, a Khilafah and a Khalif cannot in any way be bound by the laws of England or the US or anyone else other than those of Allah, but the Ahmadi Khilafah and Khalif are bound by the laws of England.

a=Please read my post # 32 for Ahmadiyya Khilafat.


b=A Muslim follows law of land as long as those laws do not hinder his rights of connection with God i.e. religion...... Holy Quran tells examples about Prophets living under non-religious kings. Early Muslims migrated to Abyssinia under Christian Justiceful King Najashi........A Muslim Khalifah can live under justiceful non-Muslim ruler.


c=Promised Messiah was in colour of Original Messiah, thus he did not have a material kingdom, original Messiah lived under a secular king, same is true for Promised Messiah, and same is true for Khilafat of Promised Messiah...........

Laws of UK and USA and other secular countries do not stop anyone to practice their faith. Khalifatul Messiah oversees morals, spiritual and any other progress of his worldwide Jama'at in 207 countries from any of these places.

These countries do not stop him [and anyone else too] and his people from worshipping One God either. They do not tell him he is non-Muslim.

Ahmadiyya Khalifah is free to advance the true peaceful teaching of Islam from West, now his Jama'at has reached in 207 countries officially; they are doing progressing in conveying of real-Islam, translations of Quran, making mosques, humanitarian services and academic progress of Ahmadiyya-Muslim students, budget of Community etc, by the grace of Allah the Exalted and much more is in progress....The true Islam is rising [there is hadith, in latter days the sun will rise from west......It is one interpretation]

Continues in next post i.e. # 37

 

[DawudTalut]

If you disagree then do you also disagree with the wars of our Prophet and the 4 Khalifs after him to fight against the threat of Rome and Persia?

Answer to it has been given above; wars of our Master Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) and after him wars of our beloved four Khulaf e Rasheed (may Allah be pleased with them) were to defend Islam which was under attack by various sides.

And if a Khilafah is permissible by Islamic law to exist within a land that judges by other than the laws of Islam, would your Khalif issue a punishment such as that of flogging for an unmarried adulterer and adulteress in any part of England?

In many instances, the soul of Islamic law is being better at work in West than in Muslim countries.....What a pity but it is fact.......essentially answer to this question is mentioned above in blue color.

And lastly, England was facing a lot of opposition from the Muslims of India and those of other countries, so just like it needed someone from the inside to weaken the Ottoman empire (Khilafah) during the rise of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab, the founder of Wahabism/Salafism who deviated from the teachings of Islam, so too it supported Mirza Ghulam because he pretended to be Imam Mahdi by twisting the meanings of many verses and Hadith and by declaring that Jihad (war) is not the Islamic way.

Sarcastically saying, how fool England was, they chose an "agent Imam mahdi" who eventually "killed" their son-of-God. As British were custodian of Christianity then. Christian pastors were sure that by sitting on the wings of British officers, they will soon make whole India a Christian state.


Alas! those Britains chose a person who stopped all the Christian attempts, who proved from Bible, Quran, medicine and history that Jesus (on whom be peace) migrated to Kashmir through Iran, Afghanistan, Kashmir and preached there in search of lost tribes of bani-Israel, and died fully successful there at age 120, and buried in Srinagar, Kashmir:

Ref: http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html


Alas! That was a strange agent who invited the then-Queen to Islam:

Ref:http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Gift-for-Queen.pdf



The truth is that when English people came to India for political and economic reasons, Muslims were in extremely bad shape by the hands of existing non-Muslims. Muslims were not allowed to say Aazan [call before Prayer], there was no civic infrastructure in continent. etc. Britains brought freedom of faith, law and order, roads, rail roads, communications [sadly still in 2015, their made rail lines are the only one in some areas, no more is laid].......Surely coming of external forces to a place has its downs too.


The religious freedom in india under British was one thing which was a bounty. Islam spreads when there is peace. [that is why statistics shows when there were no wars due to Hudaibiya treaty Islam spread fast in early days.]

Muhammed, salallahu alayhi wa salam, has warned that there will be false prophets after him

True, all those met fatal treatment by God.


One standard-proof of Holy Prophet s.a.w. is:

[69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,

[69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand,

[69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,

[69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him.

[69:49] And verily it is a reminder for the righteous.


God does not excuse even one false claim of words of God.


Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) claimed to keep getting Revelation from God from:

If counted from early time to end: 1908-1876 = 32 years

If counted from first revelation of appointment: 1908-1882 =26 years.


How can a man continued to claim false wahi, revelation and ilham and survived and not only survived but continued to progress and getting much more progress after him!!


His revelations are still getting true.

These revelation are not against Quran, these are the guidances from God how to follow Quran and spread it.

as well as false claims made about the emergence of Imam Mahdi.

One may say, OK a man has claimed and twisted things in his favour but God had kept something in skies, where no one can make forgery:


Prophecy by Holy Prophet s.aw.

Hazrat Imam Baqar Muhammad bin Alira has narrated the following Hadees (saying of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa):


For our Mahdi (Divine Reformer) there are two signs which have never appeared before since the creation of the heavens and the earth, namely the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramazan (i.e. on the first of the nights on which a lunar eclipse can occur) and the sun will be eclipsed in its middle (i.e. on the middle day of the days on which a solar eclipse can occur), and these signs have not appeared since God created the heavens and the earth.
(Dare Qutani Vol 1, page 188)


It twice fulfilled 1894 in southern part of world and in 1885 in northern hemisphere.

Ref:http://www.alislam.org/library/brow...k/Nishan_e_Asmani/?l=English#page/-7/mode/1up

Ref: https://www.alislam.org/topics/eclipses/response-to-mcnaughton.html

Besides there were many other signs, the promised plague, world wars, new inventions, emergence of Dajjal (the anti-God powers), Gog magog etc.......And the fullfilled sign which Holy Prophet s.a.w. told:


The Companion Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet when Surah Jumua was revealed. I enquired from the Holy Prophet, Who are the people to whom the words, "And among others who have not yet joined them" Salman, the Persian was sitting among us. Upon my repeated asking him the same question the Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman and said;If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would surely find it. [Ref: Book of Hadith, Bukhari]


This is the Promised man who has come as Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah (on whom be peace).

Moreover, Imam Mahdi is a descendant of Prophet Muhammed and thus an Arab, Mirza Ghulam was not an Arab or have Arab roots.

There are many hadiths about about Imam Mahdi:


One says he will be from progeny of Hazrat Fatima (r.a.).......Answer:Some great grand mothers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) were from Sadaat.


Some traditions say Imam Mahdi will be from West, some say he will be from Macca, Some say Hijaz, some say he will come from Madina and go to Macca. One say he will be born in Kada......This one proved as variation in name Qadian.


General Ref: https://www.alislam.org/topics/messiah/index.php

And the way of the Rightly Guided Khalif's was to not shy away from Jihad (war) so if Mirza was a continuation of the Rightly Guided Khalif's then his version of Islam is completely different to that of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali radiallahu anhum.

Already explained above in details.

1=Jihad's prime meaning is struggle of self correction etc.

2=War with weapon is a partial part of Jihad and it is defensive and for maintaining peace only. The real Jihad is Jihad-with-Quran (self-correction, conveying message to all world with peace)

3=Promised Messiah has the property to cease the war on the name of religion.

4=His Khulafah have to follow him as decreed by Allah and Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him)


Door of Allah the Exalted are always open for direct guidance in this very important matter.

Last appeal, please just see where this wrong understanding of Jihad has taken (and is taking) to Muslims and their countries! What is left?

The one who was promised has come and welcomes all.

May Allah have mercy on all humanity and help them to accept him and his call for peace, who is sent at right time. Aameen.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on you.
You quoted the verse I mentioned i.e.
[1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

Please note the verse is mentioning Three kind of people from previous people.
It include the blessed people too.
These blessed people were from all previous people including Jews, Christians and others.

You do not understand the Koran
And translation by this verse to verse are not true
Wrath, and who in the Koran those intended them Jews
And either lost These Christians
The other canceled and abrogated verses
Leave what you say Ahmadiyya
Refer to the Koran and the authentic
Ahmadiyya interpretation of the Koran Misinterpretation

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

No, To our understanding, originally Jihad was not in the meaning of war..


a=Jihad جهاد is derived from word جهد which means to struggle......Later, the word Jihad was used for war.

This is the meaning of the word jihad in Arabic languageIt is the imposition of adequacy
Jihad becomes an individual duty as well as those who attended the battle
Jihad: (legitimately): fight does not have custody of the infidels
Jihad: The fight for religion home
This is the position of the Muslim scholars of jihad in Islam
Do you want to change the provisions of the Koran also ???

Jihad is not interrupted him, nor a disabled Jihad can not arrest it past the Day of Resurrection, and Arbth do not fall for the taxpayers, and the non-payers who are mentioned in the terms and conditions should not Jihad Jihad them Bvd.

 

[paarsurrey]

a=Jihad جهاد is derived from word جهد which means to struggle......Later, the word Jihad was used for war.

for defensive war or to establish freedom of religion for everybody.
Regards