Muslims the least educated in the world?

[outhouse]

you don't have the right to call anyone fanatic because he reject your opinion , whatever his knowledge base on .

You just defined your fanaticism without even knowing what you were doing.


You just admitted no matter how credible education and knowledge is, YOU WILL REFUSE IT. That is what fanaticism is.

 

[Brinne]

Factually wrong

Trying to accelerate the evolution of a religion by noting its flaws is not the same as wiping anyone out.

You're pointing out flaws based on a bias. Islam doesn't oppose education, political regimes do however. Men's greed does.

 

[outhouse]

Is there any particular reason why you cut out the rest of my argument?.

Sorry

Im trying to separate each important item in its own reply. I don't want them to get lost in the mire.

Im trying to get to them individually as some are great and need addressing

 

[Godobeyer]

"calling someone fanatic because he disagree with you "is the real fanatic

 

[outhouse]

Islam doesn't oppose education, .

Oh it factually opposes history and science on many levels

 

[outhouse]

"calling someone fanatic because he disagree with you "is the real fanatic

You do not get it.

You are not disagreeing with me.

You are disagreeing with education and knowledge.

 

[Brinne]

Oh it factually opposes history and science on many levels

Cite that please. Also, explain the Islamic world circa 700-900 AD. The first man to fly was infact a Muslim, he flew using a hand glider. If that's not science and progress (especially considering the time period) than I have NO idea what is.

If his religion TRULY opposes progress and science such as this then you'd think he wouldn't have mad a discovery like this. He did suffer injuries but it was because of the fall, if I recall correctly I watched a documentary about him two years back and it said he attributed his success to God shortly after recovering from the fall.

 

[outhouse]

I'm starting to doubt that you've ever had an extended conversation with a Muslim or looked into their religion.



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You mean my family :biglaugh:

Fanaticism is NOT required

It factually is.


It requires you to believe in pseudo history and pseudo science.


It requires you to believe in mythology as real events.


It makes people follow man created words as gods word not to be questioned no matter how right or wrong the statement is.


All muslims are literalist following each word in the Koran as gods words, when it is plagiarized mythology from previous religions.

 

[outhouse]

Cite that please..

You know.

Abraham and the flood ect ect are all mythology, but believed as real, and its not up for debate.

If that's not science and progress

islam was once the center for learning and education, until a bad iman came in and ruined it for everyone. from the time period your talking about

The cultures have never recovered from this religious debacle

 

[Godobeyer]

You just defined your fanaticism without even knowing what you were doing.


You just admitted no matter how credible education and knowledge is, YOU WILL REFUSE IT. That is what fanaticism is.

this called prejudge and fanaticism too .

we know that west and some other countries had developped science and education .

it's seems that especial opportunity of education in the west does not help you , to accept the other opinion and accept the critize with open mind ?

 

[Brinne]

It factually is.


It requires you to believe in pseudo history and pseudo science.


It requires you to believe in mythology as real events.

You have a very broad definition of fanaticism.

It makes people follow man created words as gods word not to be questioned no matter how right or wrong the statement is.


All muslims are literalist following each word in the Koran as gods words, when it is plagiarized mythology from previous religions.

No, no, no, no, no. This is so wrong on so many levels.

All Muslims are literalists??? I'm sorry but what? Please provide some sort of citing for that - you know what no I know Muslims, a good amount, that AREN'T literalists. There is more than on interpretation you realize correct?

Making a claim like that shows me that you have quite a bit of fanatical leaning and a bit of a bias. It makes just about as much sense if I said all Christians are literalist; I know of a few Christians on this forum alone that aren't.

 

[outhouse]

If his religion TRULY opposes progress and science such as this then you'd think he wouldn't have mad a discovery like this.

bad iman ruined the whole religion by placing to much religious context into the literalism that is now required.


But thanks for understanding what once was a great religion.


Im only asking for some religious evolution here. Its not hard to drop the literalism and once again accept reality

 

[outhouse]

You have a very broad definition of fanaticism.


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Do you think YEC christians follow fanaticism??

 

[Brinne]

You know.

Abraham and the flood ect ect are all mythology, but believed as real, and its not up for debate.

That doesn't prove your point the slightest. I don't think you can decide what's up for debate or not after making the broad claims that you have.

islam was once the center for learning and education, until a bad iman came in and ruined it for everyone. from the time period your talking about

The cultures have never recovered from this religious debacle

Yes and that's my point. IF there was a period of time wherein countries ruled by Islamic law were places of learning that disproves that the religion is against education and progress. Otherwise, such a period would not exist and the great minds of that time period would have all been killed and erased from the history books.

 

[outhouse]

Making a claim like that shows me that you have quite a bit of fanatical leaning and a bit of a bias

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I have not met a muslim that accepts history as known.


have you met one that will admit muhammad plagiarized mythology?


That discounts half of the fictional prophets they claim once lived?


You take muhammads plagiarism, and Abraham and moses, exodus, flood away, noah, david, and other created prophets, how many muslims you think accept the truth, reality?

 

[outhouse]

. I don't think you can decide what's up for debate or not after making the broad claims that you have.


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Sorry I have an education here in Israelite and Christian history.


Are you trying to make a case for Abrahams historicity, are attacking the messenger?

 

[outhouse]

Yes and that's my point. IF there was a period of time wherein countries ruled by Islamic law were places of learning that disproves that the religion is against education and progress. Otherwise, such a period would not exist and the great minds of that time period would have all been killed and erased from the history books.

Well your point fails to address modern islam and how it has gone backwards due to religion alone.

 

[Godobeyer]

You do not get it.

You are not disagreeing with me.

You are disagreeing with education and knowledge.

you too don't you got , I don't agree with your historian , because mine are the credibal ,ok ?


Should i agree with ALL your historians and with ALL your education manner and ALL of knowledge and maybe all of culture and tradition and way of life , to avoid to be fanatic ?

this is pretty fanatic that you think that way .

this is exactly the manner that you used ,of the terrorists they used with their victimes , you need to agree with them or to be killed .

 

[outhouse]

Do you think there is a muslim out there that does not claim muhammad was talking to Gabriel ???


And all of the Koran was not plagiarized at all, because it was divine only inspiration?

 

[outhouse]

I don't agree with your historian ,

That's funny because the worlds historians are in consensus about this.

And you have not brought a single historian to the debate in any thread.

Should i agree with ALL historian and with ALL your education manner and ALL of knowledge

Everyone should seek out education and knowledge, yes.

and maybe all of culture and tradition and way of life

Nope, follow any cultural tradition you want, and live your life how you want.

provided they are not violent and treat women equally