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My Dad smokes coke and my mom shoots heroine.

No*s

Captain Obvious
Saw11_2000 said:
Did you like to cause pain just to other people, or did you also cause pain to yourself. Cutting, etc.?

Do you have a good relationship with your family now?

Sorry if I seem like I'm asking to many questions.

No, I did not, just others.

Do I have a good relationship with my family now? My Father died, and my Mother fled Texas. I have a very harmonious relationship with her and siblings (I have a new nephew coming :jiggy:). My Mother's side of the family simply considers me a nut, but they were never nearly as cruel either and that's the perennial status quo :). My Dad's side of the family for the most part ignores me. I've always been the black sheep, and I'm not trying particularly hard to work my way back into that situation.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Saw11_2000 said:
I understand. I'm glad to hear you have a harmonious relationship with your mom and your siblings.

I only shared as a counter-balance. I'd rather not turn this into a No*s-fest :). If you have more questions, they'd be better done in PM.
 

Dr. Nosophoros

Active Member
No, I can't say that I have, my mom probably would have gave me the "eye" and my dad would have come home and kicked my A$$ for being an idiot, but they weren't people who didn't give a sh*t- they were actually parents, so for me, it is hard to comment.
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
There are 6 year old children living with drug addicted parents who get up in the morning and get themselves dressed and to school. They're not stealing things and blaming their parents addictions for it. Likewise there was a girl I saw briefly on Oprah last week who had drugg addict parents. She started to go off the rails and then took a step back and turned herself around. She did four years of high school in two years so she could get herself to the educational point she should have been at.
I guess my point is that there are plenty of people who come from a far less than ideal background and manage to be better in spite of - or perhaps because of - the adversity they've experienced.
There are also plenty of people who like to use it as a mitigating circumstance. It was quite the thing not that many years ago to blame other people - parents were a specialty - for your own shortcomings.
'My therapist says I'm an arsehole because my mother didn't love me enough.'
'Yeah, well my therapist says the reason I have no respect for anyone is because my father worked long hours and spent a lot of time away from home, and so he was an absent parent and that screwed me up.'
People have sadly learned there is always a scapegoat so that they dont have to take responsibility for their own actions.
 

martha

Active Member
I thank you all, especially No*s and Prima for telling the truth of your young lives. I must say, my dear ones, that I would gladly take the pains of your life if it would relieve you of these memories.I would give anything to take this away from you. These memories were extremely hard to share, I am sure. I thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I feel I must point out the fact that at this time of night, 11:45 p.m. there have been 103 viewings of this thread. You will never know whose life you might have touched by sharing your story.

Perhaps I assume too much, beloved. I assume that we all understand right from wrong. Maybe that isn't exactly the case. Perhaps each individual's version of right and wrong differs, depending on their environment, and the things that have been taught by word or example. Perhaps in Prima's case, there was too much burden taken upon herself to be the mother.
This is an awesome task for a young one, and her cutting stemmed from this burden.Her subconsious rebelled and cried out for help in the act of cutting. In No*s case, all he witnessed seemed normal. They were not drunkards, so what was wrong with what the did? To a young person, perhaps it seemed to be the normal way of life. So one might be inclined to experiment with that experience. Obviously though,there was fear there, otherwise why retreat to the field,with the animals? At the same time there was curiosity, albiet a morbid one at the time, as to what pleasure would be gained by inflicting fear and pain. In other words if my family does it then there must be something to it, no? What am I missing? It might have just been seeking to understand. Apparently both of these lovely people have gotten past these terrible parts of their lives. I am truly happy for them. I hear their words on the forum and I see kindness, compassion and love. This is why I will always hold out hope for every person. If we are strong, we can let go of the past, forgive those who were a dark part of our past and move on. Those people had their choices and so do we. Can we blame them for our behavior? Well in retrospect and to some degree, yes we can. If it wasn't for their influence on our lives, we would have never experienced certain aspects of life, certain ways of understanding. If all I learn is hatred, or destruction, if that is all my young life is exposed to, then how can I say that they cannot be blamed in some way.

The human mind is a truly marvelous and complicated thing. The day that I find myself figuring it out, is the day that I will start charging a small fee to impart my wisdom. As of this time, my dears, my advice is free.
In the mean time, I think it would behoove us to step back before making a hasty judgement against another person. When we know the reasons why, then perhaps we can have a dialog. I am not saying that this will fix the ills of the world, but it is a start. There is always a reason behind the Why, but we must look very deeply sometimes. IMHO

Martha
 

martha

Active Member
Dear Lady L,

The children that you speak of must have had someone affect their lives somewhere along the line. Perhaps a grandmother, teacher, friend ot TV show spoke words that touched their hearts in some way to change their direction. Another thought is do we have the inate understanding of what is right all along in our subconcious, and all we need do is tap into it?
 

almifkhar

Active Member
you can't go through life pointing the finger at someone else cause you made a bad choice. i don't care how bad life was for you growing up, or how bad your situation is in life. deep down we all know that say stealing from someone else is wrong and people just cannot justify this action with my parents suck thats why i did what i did. its crap
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
almifkhar said:
you can't go through life pointing the finger at someone else cause you made a bad choice. i don't care how bad life was for you growing up, or how bad your situation is in life. deep down we all know that say stealing from someone else is wrong and people just cannot justify this action with my parents suck thats why i did what i did. its crap
I agree, as I see many others have, with your first sentence.
I was also greatly saddened to see how many RF members have had 'rough' childhoods; I do feel for you all - I realize that although my parents made mistakes with me that have affected me 'badly', they did not mean to hurt me - that was just down to bad luck and circumstance.

But..(and there's always a 'but) I agree that you can't give your upbringing as an excuse for crime, but surely it can be said to be the 'mittigating' circumstances ?
We have some pretty rough areas here - one is only about fifteen k's from here. The parents seem to do nothing - they live on benefits, make no attempt to help themselves; they tell the kids to 'get lost' early in the morning, and some won't even let them back in until evening. If you and your peers all have a similar backgroung (These are pretty large estates), it must take some kind of 'better than average' person to be able to deal with that and come out 'clean' at the end. To make matters worse, some of the parents actually train the kids to help them in burglaries ! (The kids are 'vey useful' for getting their arms through letter boxes on the front doors of houses - because their arms are thinner - to get hold of a key left in a lock; they are also usefull for getting ion to a house through a small window that someone has left ope because 'no burglar could ever get through that!'.

I am not saying it is an excuse, but I would suggest that it is part of the reason why they 'turn bad'. And as some of you have said, perhaps the 'punishment' ought to be focussed more on rehabilitation. I would also -whenever possible - try to make these kids do community work (and I don't mean just cleaning up streets) to show them what the 'real world' looks like; make them help out with, say, working as 'porters' in hospitals(You know, the guy who pushes the wheel chairs for patients). I do believe everyone deserves a second chance(within reason, of course).:)
 

Prima

Well-Known Member
I think what we're all saying is that there's a difference between an excuse and an explanation. What this boy said is an explantaion, but it should never be an excuse. So if he said this as an explanation, ok. But as an excuse...not ok.

Did I totally miss the mark, or is that what we all think?
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Prima said:
I think what we're all saying is that there's a difference between an excuse and an explanation. What this boy said is an explantaion, but it should never be an excuse. So if he said this as an explanation, ok. But as an excuse...not ok.

Did I totally miss the mark, or is that what we all think?

Pretty much, but I would also add, if he understands the consequences of his actions enough to turn influence into an excuse, then it can't be anything but an excuse. That requires he comprehend what he did, know the consequences, and logically think of a way to avoid them. That's pretty telling to me when it happens.
 

shesha

Member
I don't think it is an excuse, it was his decision not his parents. I do not think it matters that his parents are drug addicts if that were the case then i should be out committing crimes, because both my parents are drug addicts. It is all up to the person to decide what path they want to take in life.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
"My Dad smokes coke and my mom shoots heroine....Aunt Kelly is an international arms dealer, Uncle Dan is a violent loan shark, Jaws (the Goldfish) is right-wing militant religious leader, plus this rubix cube is infuriating!"

The rubix cube does it for me.
 
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