My dilemma about Moses

[The Peacekeeper]

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

 

[Thief]

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

You need help.

The story I got runs different.
Moses could not stand by and watch a guard, beat a servant.
A fight broke out, Moses won.
The guard died.

Moses had been raised by one of Pharaoh's daughters, having been found
abandoned on the water.
If this is true he would have all the goods things such a house would bring.

But having killed someone of authority, the penalty would be death.
He hid the body.
That didn't work.
When the body was discovered, Moses ran.

Did God forgive Mose?...good question.

Picture yourself as Moses.
You're eighty years old, and you decide to go up on that mountain.
You go there to meet your Maker.
You go there to die.

But it doesn't work out that way.
And as the conversation goes on....'write this down'....

God would be looking over your shoulder as the ten commandments are set in stone.

When you get to the part....'thou shalt not kill'....
God is still there...looking over your shoulder, as you set the words in stone.


Does this help?

 

[The Peacekeeper]

So Moses was forgiven and chosen to spread God's laws to the people?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

(I can never understand why such questions are asked in a Christian forum.)

 

[Me Myself]

I have heard that it was "you shall not murder" and not "you shall not kill" that was put on the stone.

The difference would be that murder is an unlawful killing, while kill is any kill. animals are except from murder because it is not unlawful to kill animals. To kill in self defense is also except from it if it is "murder" and not kill.

Anyone that knows I would love a clarification

 

[The Peacekeeper]

Jayhawker: I see you have judaism as a religion. I didn't know where to post the topic and I hoped that someone part of judaism would come in and give his opinion as well. So you're more than welcome to explain what I asked. I would be glad to hear your opinion.

Me Myself: Very interesting idea, comparing "murder" and "kill". I assume "kill" refers to a sudden action, while murder is something planned...

 

[ShareTheWord]

I have heard that it was "you shall not murder" and not "you shall not kill" that was put on the stone.

The difference would be that murder is an unlawful killing, while kill is any kill. animals are except from murder because it is not unlawful to kill animals. To kill in self defense is also except from it if it is "murder" and not kill.

Anyone that knows I would love a clarification

This is correct. The original hebrew text uses their word for murder, "ratsach" not the general word for causing someone's life to end.

Of course, in the Old Testament are many instances where God tells those of Israel to take up arms against and kill others in battle. This does not contradict the 6th commandment, as the intent is to prohibit the more specific act of murder which seems to be similar to murder as we understand it today.

TLDR version: The 6th commandment should be interpreted as "Thou shalt not murder".

 

[The Peacekeeper]

From what I know it wasn't such a bad thing to do that in a war, sure while defending a place and not while a crazy conquering campaign I suppose. Soldiers were on duty after all...

I still need to get a clear answer on what I wanted to know. heh!

 

[punkdbass]

I know this is slightly offtopic and I am not Christian but I think the OP will find the following info interesting:

David committed adultery and murder. The law would prescribe a punishment of death for both of these sins, but God forgave him because he gave true sacrifice to God - a "contrite heart and spirit" - Psalm 51.

So regarding the original question, God is merciful to those who repent and show contrition

 

[Poisonshady313]

I didn't know where to post the topic and I hoped that someone part of judaism would come in and give his opinion as well.

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I post this not to be critical, but to be helpful. I know your posts on this matter aren't argumentative, but I thought I'd point out that it's unlikely for a Jewish member to weigh in on a question in the Christianity DIR.

You could ask a staff member to move it into a general discussion forum. There, I'm sure Jews and non-Jews alike would be more than happy to talk about this question.

 

[The Peacekeeper]

PoisonShady: That's a good idea. Thanks.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

Most of the Bible was written by three murderers. I'm thinking about murding someone so I can write some Bible.

 

[outhouse]

Most of the Bible was written by three murderers. I'm thinking about murding someone so I can write some Bible.

why only 3 ??? LOL

 

[waitasec]

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

is this for real?

 

[The Peacekeeper]

It's a real crazy assumption. hah!

sandy: as a general info... who you think they are?

Lol, can people give answers to the question instead of finding bad aspects of the question or make random comments? Thanks...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

How the hell would we know?

 

[cablescavenger]

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

There are so many murderers in the bible you would think it was commonplace 2,000 years ago.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Well Moses was watching a fellow Hebrew get beaten brutaly. And in the law its said one can't stand idle while anothers life is threatened

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

sandy: as a general info... who you think they are?

Moses, David and Paul.

 

[Caladan]

I've been wanting to ask someone about this for a long time. I have a dilemma. Anything that I say here can be corrected as it might not be right...

I know that when Moses escaped from being slave to the egiptians, he killed one of the guards so that he can run.

Now Moses is a great figure of the Bible and the one that brought the 10 commandments to the people after being revealed to him by God himself. Yet he killed that guard... Is that unimportant because it happened before knowing the 10 commandments? Crime was depicted as a capital sin from the times of Adam and Eve...

Did God forgive Moses for the crime because he was the one to show God's words to the people?

Thanks for the help. I'll really appreciate it.

A correction. Moses slew the Egyptian when he was still a member of the royal court. after what he did became known he had to flee.
another correction is that in the Hebrew Bible it is not 'Killing' which there is a commandment about, but against 'murder'. from his part Moses killed the Egyptian in order to defend a Hebrew slave.