My feelings about death

[Trailblazer]

Whilst I understand the meaning of loss, I would also ask you to take this into account: 'A 2013 study estimated free-ranging domestic cats kill between 1.3 and 4 billion birds – on top of between 6.2 and 22.3 billion mammals – every year in the United States alone, the majority by feral or unowned cats. Figures released by the Mammal Society show the UK's estimates for domestic cat kills to be more sober, but still shocking: around 100 million prey items between Spring and Summer, of which 27 million were birds – and not counting the creatures the cats didn't bring home.'

I understand that but is it just to blame indoor cats for what free-ranging domestic cats kill?

We have a feral cat in our property that we feed and she has become tame, and now likes to be petted, not just fed. She is fatter than most of out indoor cats and appears very healthy, but the other day I saw her with a squirrel in her mouth and I was so angry at her because the squirrels on our property are like pets to us, since we feed them along with all the other wild animals and birds. But I later came to realize that is just the nature of cats to catch prey and it is not blameworthy. But when humans kill humans or animals that is blameworthy because we have a higher spiritual nature as well as a lower animal nature.

 

[Trailblazer]

He's back to the vets on Tursday; he should have his own room.

Back to the vets, I only wish. I am willing to pay the money but ever since Covid-19, I cannot get an appointment with any vet clinic in this county in less than two or three weeks. I cannot even get an appointment at my own vet clinic unless the cat is clearly dying, and sometimes not even then. It is disgusting, but thankfully I discovered another vet clinic not far away that takes walk-in for only $20 extra. It is the only clinic like that anywhere in my county, so if I feel my cat has to be seen I can go there and they are even open on evenings and weekends. I had to take my new cat Atticus there last week and if I hadn't I cannot say what would have happened. All he needed was an antibiotic, but he needed it asap, not three weeks later.

 

[Secret Chief]

Back to the vets, I only wish. I am willing to pay the money but ever since Covid-19, I cannot get an appointment with any vet clinic in this county in less than two or three weeks. I cannot even get an appointment at my own vet clinic unless the cat is clearly dying, and sometimes not even then. It is disgusting, but thankfully I discovered another vet clinic not far away that takes walk-in for only $20 extra. It is the only clinic like that anywhere in my county, so if I feel my cat has to be seen I can go there and they are even open on evenings and weekends. I had to take my new cat Atticus there last week and if I hadn't I cannot say what would have happened. All he needed was an antibiotic, but he needed it asap, not three weeks later.

I am so sorry about that, what a terrible situation to be in. The only good thing about our poorly cat is we've built up a veritable cat pharmacy. (Unused meds can't be returned). The latest cost £10 a tablet. Had a week's script. Found to be allergic...

 

[Trailblazer]

Dear Susan,
I'm really sorry for your loss. Pets can be as dear to us as people and sometimes others don't take that sadness seriously. May I ask what happened? Did you lose all of your cats at the same time? What a horrible situation to add to all the other troubles of 2020.
I hope in time your pain with become easier to deal with and that you feel less angry. Maybe you'll be able to give some of your love to other animals, when you're ready for that.

Thanks for your kind words.
We lost one cat last January, and two within the span of two weeks in September. Then we lost another one on November and another one in December. Their ages spanned 14 years to 19 years, and they were our kittens, born in our previous house. All of them except one had kidney disease and all of them also has heart disease, which is why they ultimately died, because the kidney disease could no longer be treated with subdural fluids because the fluids caused congestive heart failure. The only way I survive my grief is by staying busy and not thinking about it and just loving and caring for all the eight cats we still have.

Covid-19 has not impacted me personally in any negative way, because my lifestyle has not changed since I was always a homebody and I do not attend social activities or go to movies or restaurants or gyms. In fact, the pandemic has been a blessing f me personally since I started working from home and will continue to do so. I cannot even imagine if I had to go to work this year with all that happened to the cats.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am so sorry about that, what a terrible situation to be in. The only good thing about our poorly cat is we've built up a veritable cat pharmacy. (Unused meds can't be returned). The latest cost £10 a tablet. Had a week's script. Found to be allergic...

Thanks. We also have a lot of unused meds but usually the ones we need we do not have or they have expired. Pills can be used long after they expire but liquid meds can't. I keep a bottle of Clindamycin capsules I got years ago for emergencies because I usually know when my cats need an antibiotic and it cannot hurt if they didn't need it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Since ' death ' was Not God's original purpose for humanity, then ' enemy death ' causes hurt, even lasting hurt to various degrees.

I know that is what most Christians believe, but I do not believe that has any basis in the Bible. Imo, it is simply a belief that came about from a misinterpretation of the Bible, a misunderstanding of what the verses mean.

If physical death was not God's original purpose and everyone had continued to live forever in the same physical body, how could new people have been born? The earth could never sustain the overpopulation.

It is very sad when people die for those left behind, but according to my beliefs, nobody ever really dies. Only the physical body dies, but the soul continues to live and passes to the spiritual world (the heavenly realm), where it takes on another form.

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

 

[Secret Chief]

In fact, the pandemic has been a blessing f me personally since I started working from home and will continue to do so. I cannot even imagine if I had to go to work this year with all that happened to the cats.

Small world. If it wasn't for working from home how is a cat supposed to be given 14 meds per day?

 

[Secret Chief]

Thanks. We also have a lot of unused meds but usually the ones we need we do not have or they have expired. Pills can be used long after they expire but liquid meds can't. I keep a bottle of Clindamycin capsules I got years ago for emergencies because I usually know when my cats need an antibiotic and it cannot hurt if they didn't need it.

We should have an exchange program!

 

[nPeace]

I am sorry to have to post this on Christmas. I would not suggest reading it unless you are comfortable with death.

I know this is supposed to be a joyous season, but not all people are joyous, and it bothers me that people are joyous when other people are not because something does not seem right about people being joyous when other people are out of work, ill, dying, or grieving the loss of a loved one.

This world is a dark and narrow place and I want nothing more than to be free of it, but I have my responsibilities and those I love, my cats and my husband and a few friends.

The first thing I thought of when I woke up today was on Christmas 2019 I had five cats that are no longer with me. This has been a terrible year for me because I have lost five of my family members to death. They were not human, they were my cats, but what’s the difference? Death is death and loss is loss and love is love.

I always get angry at God when I lose a cat because I blame God for death, and if you think about it, who else could be responsible for the death, unless I had been irresponsible? One could just say that death is part of life if they were an atheist…..

Job 1:21
King James Version

21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.

I blame God for death, even if that is not rational, because I know life has to end so more life can be born. Christians don’t blame God for death, they blame Adam and Eve, because they believe that if they had not disobeyed God and eaten the apple, everyone would have lived forever in a physical body from that day forward, but how rational is that?

I want to add that I have had a kind of a breakthrough recently since a man on the Pet Loss Support forum said something and it clicked. He said: “Anyway, that's what I meant. I do not blame God for taking Marmalade away. I thank God for introducing me to Marmalade in the first place.”

After that I thought of the three cats I have gotten this year, and I know that God helped me find them. Because the circumstances under which I found them were very unusual it was highly unlikely for me to find them as I did. The same applies to all the other cats I found after previous cats died. I think about how precious they are and how much I love them all.

We are down by two cats but I am okay with that, for the first time in years. Also, for the first time in many, many years, we have no cats that are very ill and just hanging on to life thanks to all the special treatments my husband administers to keep them alive. However, any day now one of the two older cats that we still have left could be diagnosed with kidney and heart disease just like the other ones we lost. The only way to deal with it is just to shut my feelings down, which is what I have done for the most part. I am supposed to pretend it does not matter to me and be detached, like other Baha'is, but the problem is it does matter to me, as much or more than God or religion. They can judge me for that if they want to, I don't care.

In a way I am relieved that I do not to have this pall hanging directly over my head, not yet anyway, but the other part of me is so sad that I want to die, if I think about the cats I have lost. I have found that the only solution is to stay busy and focus in other people and the cats I have left. I cannot even read in the Pet Loss Support forum because it sets me off immediately and takes me right back to the trauma. I feel so deeply for other people, yet I feel helpless to be able to help them, and I do not want to say the wrong thing and make them feel worse, so it is best I do not go to that forum. I also feel guilty that I still have cats and most of them don’t have any but I doubt anyone there has lost five cats this year.

So last Wednesday night we went to the grocery store, and coming back to our house down the long gravel road we saw an ambulance. Actually, there were two ambulances and they were blocking the driveway so we parked on the property that is just before our property and walked home. The man who lives in that single wide mobile home has been near death for a very long time, as his kidneys and liver are failing, so he has people living there caring for him. I would guess he is in his late 30s or early 40s. I heard from someone who knows him that it was caused by alcoholism but I would never blame him, I just consider it very sad.

Not too long ago, he told my husband he is in so much pain he does not want to keep living. His parents live on the lot below our lot on the lake and they are such nice people. I cannot even imagine what they must be going through. I don’t even know if he is still alive. I heard from his caretakers that he was taken to the hospital, but he might have died that night. They are Christians and they believe in heaven, but what good does it do? Well, maybe it does them more good than it does me. I don't like it when people say “well, he is in heaven now” as if it does not matter that someone died! I also do not like it when someone in the Baha’i community dies and the Baha’is say almost gleefully “he went to the Abha Kingdom” as if he just took off on a trip to Europe. I understand that is what they believe, but I consider it insensitive to share that in a community e-mail.

If it does not matter if people die, why all the fuss about the number of people who have died in this pandemic, and why do all these valiant health care workers try to save lives and take care of these patients until the very end of their lives? I believe it does matter of people die and I think some religious people minimize physical death and I think they should keep their opinions to themselves because not everyone believes as they do. There is something arrogant about this attitude… “We know where we are going, too bad you don’t know.” They do not have to come out and say that, it is implicit in their attitude.

That said, I know where I am going after I die and that it is a lot better than this world, but I would never impose that belief upon anyone, although I will share it if people are interested, because this is a religious forum. But I would never say it does not “matter” if someone dies, because every life matters, whether it is a human or an animal.

I logged off, and saw your post. I just logged back on to say first and foremost, I'm sorry. I feel your pain.
I was wondering though, as I was reading, why are your cats dying? Cats don't die like that even though they may be sickly, and it caused me to wonder if something isn't being spread.

Cats are very sensitive, to toxins, and I believe diseases can easily affect cats, especially if they are subjected to the environment 24/7.
Could it be, you are bringing the cats into a highly contaminated environment? Can you perhaps get a check done on the environment, or maybe a complete clean?

I would do that if I were faced with that experience.
In fact, running an experiment, by placing any new cats in a totally clean environment, and seeing the results would verify if the environment may be the contributing factor.
Just my thoughts.

Finally, I usually think of Romans Chapter 8 in the face of suffering and death. Particularly verses 18, 35-39.

If we know God, we remain attached to him, by his love.
Take care. I'll probably see you later, on this thread.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I know that is what most Christians believe, but I do not believe that has any basis in the Bible. Imo, it is simply a belief that came about from a misinterpretation of the Bible, a misunderstanding of what the verses mean.
If physical death was not God's original purpose and everyone had continued to live forever in the same physical body, how could new people have been born? The earth could never sustain the overpopulation.
It is very sad when people die for those left behind, but according to my beliefs, nobody ever really dies. Only the physical body dies, but the soul continues to live and passes to the spiritual world (the heavenly realm), where it takes on another form.
“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157
“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Adam and Eve and descendants were to multiply ( have children ) and fill or populate the Earth according to Genesis 1:28 - No overpopulation.
So, people were to only reproduce until Earth was full meaning populated, Not over full, Not over populated.
In other words, people were to have children only until Earth was fully populated, then reproduction would cease.
Who knows, then possibly other planets will have physical inhabitation after Jesus' 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth comes to an end.
At that time ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth according to 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.

Yes, many believe we are 'death proof' to continue to live in a spirit or angelic realm of elements basic of invisible existence.
Adam was Not offered to be more alive after death then before death.
Some people believe the dead can be in pain, but Adam was never given any post-mortem penalty nor any double jeopardy.
Adam was simply told he would go back, 'return' back to where he started which according to Genesis 3:19 which was the visible or material dust.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
To me, there would be No point in asking, in praying for Jesus to come if ' enemy death ' were to continue on Earth. (Rev. 22:20)

 

[Trailblazer]

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” -Mark Twain

I do not fear my own death either. The only people who suffer from death are those that are left behind.

 

[Trailblazer]

Small world. If it wasn't for working from home how is a cat supposed to be given 14 meds per day?

14 meds? And I thought I had it bad, but you only have one cat and I have 8!

 

[Secret Chief]

14 meds? And I thought I had it bad, but you only have one cat and I have 8!

We have two, but the one needed 14 a day. Long story that started in February with a carcinoma. On to a bacterial pneumonia now...

 

[Trailblazer]

All people of love would not allow living things to die if it was within our power, so why doesn't God?

God created our all living things knowing they would die, because all living things were biologically programmed to die eventually, including humans.

The truth is maam, that He is not the one responsible for death, it is a result of the sin of Adam. Rom 5:12 If you really think about it, God chose rightly as to how to settle it permanently. You see there was a bigger issue than just Adam's sin, satan told Eve that she could choose for herself what is right and wrong, in other words maam, be your own god. So the question was raised in front of everyone existing at the time (the spirit realm), as well as to humans. Can they build an acceptable world without God.

I believe that God is responsible for death because God created humans as mortal creatures who would die eventually. I do not believe that there was ever an Adam and Eve or a Garden of Eden, I believe those were allegorical, as explained in this chapter: 30: ADAM AND EVE

I also do not believe Satan is a real entity that exists, I believe Satan, the Evil One, is in reference to the lower selfish material nature of man.

“Say: O people! The Lamp of God is burning; take heed, lest the fierce winds of your disobedience extinguish its light. Now is the time to arise and magnify the Lord, your God. Strive not after bodily comforts, and keep your heart pure and stainless. The Evil One is lying in wait, ready to entrap you. Gird yourselves against his wicked devices, and, led by the light of the name of the one true God, deliver yourselves from the darkness that surroundeth you. Center your thoughts in the Well-Beloved, rather than in your own selves.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 167-168

But many still put their faith in man to solve the earth's problems, I know a few that have told me that to my face.

Sadly, to truly answer the issue to everyone's satisfaction Jesus informed us that God is going to allow this world to go to the point of extinction before He sends His forces to save the few righteous people that are left. Mat 24:22

I hope this helps you to understand, that God really has no choice but to allow us to go that far, for the benefit of all in the long run.

I believe that man will solve the earth's problems with God's assistance that has already come to us when God sent another Comforter and the Spirit of Truth, as Jesus promised. How far God will be wiling to let things go until He intervenes again, if He does, nobody knows.

“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 118-119

 

[Trailblazer]

We have two, but the one needed 14 a day. Long story that started in February with a carcinoma. On to a bacterial pneumonia now...

I am sorry to hear that but it certainly sound like you are doing all you can do, which is all you can do.
We also did everything we could do.....
Most people would not do all that for a cat, so that says a lot about who you are as a person.
You are definitely in my fan club.

 

[Secret Chief]

I am sorry to hear that but it certainly sound like you are doing all you can do, which is all you can do.
We also did everything we could do.....
Most people would not do all that for a cat, so that says a lot about who you are as a person.
You are definitely in my fan club.

And you in mine.

 

[Trailblazer]

I logged off, and saw your post. I just logged back on to say first and foremost, I'm sorry. I feel your pain.
I was wondering though, as I was reading, why are your cats dying? Cats don't die like that even though they may be sickly, and it caused me to wonder if something isn't being spread.

Finally, I usually think of Romans Chapter 8 in the face of suffering and death. Particularly verses 18, 35-39.

If we know God, we remain attached to him, by his love.

Thanks for your concern and kind words.

We have lost a lot of cats as I said in the OP, but none of the cats ever died of a virus or a bacterial infection.
One had cancer and another one had a rare neurological problem, but all the other cats died of heart disease or kidney disease and some had both. Unfortunately, most of them had HCM in their genes which was passed down from their parents. It is not unusual for cats to die of kidney disease, but Persian cats are particularly susceptible.

All I can do is turn to God and know that God knows my pain and loss.
I cannot say I am attached to God by His love, that is a work in progress.

 

[Trailblazer]

And you in mine.

See, I knew there was a reason for starting this thread...
I always find out later.

 

[Trailblazer]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Adam and Eve and descendants were to multiply ( have children ) and fill or populate the Earth according to Genesis 1:28 - No overpopulation.
So, people were to only reproduce until Earth was full meaning populated, Not over full, Not over populated.
In other words, people were to have children only until Earth was fully populated, then reproduction would cease.

Where does it say that in the Bible? I mean where does it say that people were to stop having children once the world was populated?

Who knows, then possibly other planets will have physical inhabitation after Jesus' 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth comes to an end.

I do not know what scriptures you are basing the belief in a 1,000-year governmental reign upon, but Jesus said that His work was finished in the world and He was no more in the world and that His kingdom is not of this world..... (John 14:19, John 17:4, John 17:11, John 19:30, John 18:36) .... That means that it cannot be the same man Jesus who will reign upon earth unless Jesus lied or the Bible is in error, and if some verses are incorrect, how do we know that other verses are not also incorrect?

At that time ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth according to 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.

I believe that both the verses above refer to spiritual death, not physical death. Physical death can never be destroyed because our physical bodies as created by God were biologically programmed to die.

The following is what I believe. In 1 Corinthians 15:12-22, Paul was referring to a spiritual resurrection. That Jesus was raised up means His spirit was resurrected; brought back to life. If Christ’s spirit was not brought back to life, then your faith would be in vain and you would still be in your sins. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive means that all shall be made spiritually alive, not physically rise and be alive in bodies. That does not mean Jesus’ soul (spirit) was brought back to life (because the soul cannot die, so it does not need to be brought back to life); it means that the Cause of Christ (what He taught and represented) were brought back to life after three days... Had it NOT been brought back to life you would still be in your sins because it was the Cause of Christ that needed to be brought back to life in order to save people from their sins. People needed to get the Gospel message that Jesus taught and the disciples needed to carry that far and wide. Their faith in Jesus needed to be renewed (resurrected) after Jesus had died and the disciples lost all hope.

I do not believe that a physical body can come back to life after three days; that goes against all that is known by science. Moreover, even if such a miracle happened to Jesus, I do not believe that means that the physical bodies of all the believers that ever lived are going to come up out of their graves when Jesus returns. 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: and 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: refers to rising from spiritual death, rising from the graves of ignorance of Christ, not to anyone rising from physical graves. Had the Cause of Christ not been brought back to life after three days, everyone would have remained in their sins and in spiritual death.

I believe that 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death refers to spiritual death. The physical body was never designed to live forever, but the soul is immortal so it can never die. Those souls who believe in Jesus have eternal life (everlasting life) because they are near to God; other souls who are veiled from God continue to exist in the spiritual world after their physical body dies, but, in comparison with the holy existence of the children of the Kingdom of God, they are nonexistent because they are separated from God.

Thus I believe that eternal life refers to a quality of life, gaining the rewards of the heaven, which are peace, the spiritual graces, the various spiritual gifts in the Kingdom of God, the gaining of the desires of the heart and the soul, and the meeting of God. Eternal life does not refer to continuance or duration of life, since all souls live forever.

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Yes, many believe we are 'death proof' to continue to live in a spirit or angelic realm of elements basic of invisible existence.

I believe that our soul (spirit) continues to exist in the heavenly realm of existence after our body dies and our soul takes on a new forum, comprised of elements that exist in the heavenly realm.

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

I do not believe that souls will be invisible to other souls, they will be clearly recognizable, but not with physical eyes like we have now. We can no more comprehend what that next existence will be like than the child in the womb can conceive of life in this world, and for the same reason – we have no possible frame of reference. Baha’is believe that “afterlife” isn’t just a static place, but rather a progression toward God. The soul returns to God, whatever that means, and that is why we have the following verse:

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Adam was Not offered to be more alive after death then before death.
Some people believe the dead can be in pain, but Adam was never given any post-mortem penalty nor any double jeopardy.
Adam was simply told he would go back, 'return' back to where he started which according to Genesis 3:19 which was the visible or material dust.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.

Adam was created from the dust of the earth and to the dust he shall return. That refers to the body of Adam as well as the bodies of everyone who ever lived. . God gave us a spirit, which is the same thing as a soul, and that soul returns to God when our body dies. Everything I believe as a Baha'i is fully congruent with the Bible.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 155-156

“If it be faithful to God, it will reflect His light, and will, eventually, return unto Him.” Gleanings, p. 159

“Blessed is the soul which, at the hour of its separation from the body, is sanctified from the vain imaginings of the peoples of the world….” Gleanings, p. 156

To me, there would be No point in asking, in praying for Jesus to come if ' enemy death ' were to continue on Earth. (Rev. 22:20)

Physical death is not the enemy, it is a messenger of joy....

32: O SON OF THE SUPREME! I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah

We just cannot see that yet because the nature of the spiritual world has been concealed by God for the most part, and that is for our own protection, so we will not commit suicide, because of we knew what the spiritual world (heaven) was like we would not want to spend one more minute in this world.

What did Jesus ask us to pray for?

Matthew 6:9-10 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Jesus asked us to pray for the kingdom to come, not for physical death to end, and when that kingdom comes to earth there will be no more spiritual death, since the world will be completely different than it is now, because everyone will truly believe in God.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Isaiah 11:9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

 

[Trailblazer]

We live in a fallen world. Which is why, IMO, we all need a Saviour who knows the true meaning of love.

With all due respect, how does Jesus knowing the meaning of love fix anything in this fallen world?
If having a Savior was going to fix the fallen world, it would have done so by now, as it has been over 2000 years since Jesus walked the earth.

Hellbound Serpiente said: Mother nature is dark and brutal. All the living are involved in killing of other living, either intentionally or unintentionally.

How does Jesus' love fix the darkness and brutality of mother nature?