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My Guru's Disappearance Day

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
So I found out this morning that my gurudeva, Srila Narayan Maharaj, left his body this morning.

It's weird, I've known this was coming for some time. But I don't feel anything. Neither joyful nor sad. I feel like this should represent something for me. But I'm so confused, spiritually, that I don't know what to think or feel. I don't consider myself to be a Hare Krishna. I haven't prayed to gurudeva for a long time. I hardly know what my relationship with this man should be. I was initiated by him when I was 10 years old. So I've been a disciple for over 12 years. I used to love him greatly. I believed he could hear my prayers, that he was bringing me closer to Radha and Krishna.

But I've moved so far away from my childhood beliefs. I suppose that today, with his death, I am seeing clearly how lost I am spiritually. I'm just confused.

Have any of you experienced this? What did you do?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I know how you feel. As I'm a recent adapter of Hinduism, as well as a person steeped in materialistic desires, it's hard for me to keep spirituality myself.

I'm trying to give myself a schedule of worship, and though I'm very skeptical of his divinity, I have a picture of Mahavatar Babaji above my shrine, and I did worship him with incense this morning, because (and I'm sorry for using the famous X-Files meme, but it's so true for me) I want to believe. Somehow, it helps.

If you have any pictures of your guru, maybe you can put it on or near your shrine and worship him regularly.
 

Satsangi

Active Member
I am sorry to hear about your Guru's passing away, Madhuri. I think Riverwolf has a good suggestion to keep his photo in your pooja. Whenever one is lost, BG always has answers to the questions. I would suggest that you read the Shlokas with translation (no commentary) in front of Him with a Sattvik mind and let the meanings come to you.

Regards,
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
The sadness is due to the Mortality-Shock.
This is especially evident in regards to a Bhagavata's passing.

We are left to carry on ---carrying the cross ourselves.

Just like the the 10th Chapter's purport ---we can see the Guru's lessons present in all directions.

One of the 5 topics of the Gita is "Jiva-atma" ---the first Chapter of the Gita is filled with the names of famous people (jivas) ---so we can revel in the knowledge that one of the Great personlities was known by you ---Similarly, our lives will be filled with meetings with many different persons (jivas) . . . and we can feel that, by 6 degrees of seperation, any meetings with you and others will include the presence & influence of your Guru.
her_i_3.jpg

That's Mother Syamarani in white.
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
The sadness is due to the Mortality-Shock.
This is especially evident in regards to a Bhagavata's passing.

We are left to carry on ---carrying the cross ourselves.

Just like the the 10th Chapter's purport ---we can see the Guru's lessons present in all directions.

One of the 5 topics of the Gita is "Jiva-atma" ---the first Chapter of the Gita is filled with the names of famous people (jivas) ---so we can revel in the knowledge that one of the Great personlities was known by you ---Similarly, our lives will be filled with meetings with many different persons (jivas) . . . and we can feel that, by 6 degrees of seperation, any meetings with you and others will include the presence & influence of your Guru.
her_i_3.jpg

That's Mother Syamarani in white.

Thank you!

Yes, I know Syamarani. She has stayed at my house before. Wonderful painter and devotee.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
I forgot to complete my thought with a "Quote":

"Vani and vapu"

So I looked this up:

Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974—corresponding to the 10th of Kärttika, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark fortnight, the Räma-ekädaçé—we have now finished the English translation of Çré Kåñëadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämé’s Çré Caitanya-caritämåta in accordance with the authorized order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura Gosvämé Mahäräja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend. Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura Prabhupäda passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his Väëé, his words.

There are two ways of association—by Väëé and by vapuù. Väëé means words, and vapuù means physical presence. Physical presence is sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but Väëé continues to exist eternally. Therefore we must take advantage of the Väëé, not the physical presence.

The Bhagavad-gétä, for example, is the Väëé of Lord Kåñëa. Although Kåñëa was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, the Bhagavad-gétä continues.

In this connection we may call to memory the time when I was fortunate enough to meet His Divine Grace Çréla Prabhupäda, sometime in the year 1922. Çréla Prabhupäda had come to Calcutta from Çrédhäma Mäyäpur to start the missionary activities of the Gauòéya Maöha. He was sitting in a house at Ulta Danga when through the inducement of an intimate friend, the late Çrémän Narendranath Mullik, I had the opportunity to meet His Divine Grace for the first time. I do not remember the actual date of the meeting, but at that time I was one of the managers of Dr. Bose’s laboratory in Calcutta. I was a newly married young man, addicted to Gandhi’s movement and dressed in khadi. Fortunately, even at our first meeting His Divine Grace advised me to preach the cult of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu in English in the Western countries.

Because at that time I was a complete nationalist, a follower of Mahatma Gandhi’s, I submitted to His Divine Grace that unless our country were freed from foreign subjugation, no one would hear the message of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu seriously. Of course, we had some argument on this subject, but at last I was defeated and convinced that Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s message is the only panacea for suffering humanity. I was also convinced that the message of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu was then in the hands of a very expert devotee and that surely the message of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu would spread all over the world. I could not, however, immediately take up his instructions to preach, but I took his words very seriously and was always thinking of how to execute his order, although I was quite unfit to do so.

In this way I passed my life as a householder until 1950, when I retired from family life as a vänaprastha. With no companion, I loitered here and there until 1958, when I took sannyäsa. Then I was completely ready to discharge the order of my spiritual master. Previously, in 1936, just before His Divine Grace passed away at Jagannätha Puré, I wrote him a letter asking what I could do to serve him. In reply, he wrote me a letter, dated 13 December 1936, ordering me, in the same way, to preach in English the cult of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu as I had heard it from him.

After he passed away, I started the fortnightly magazine Back to Godhead sometime in 1944 and tried to spread the cult of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu through this magazine. After I took sannyäsa, a well-wishing friend suggested that I write books instead of magazines. Magazines, he said, might be thrown away, but books remain perpetually. Then I attempted to write Çrémad-Bhägavatam. Before that, when I was a householder, I had written on Çrémad Bhagavad-gétä and had completed about eleven hundred pages, but somehow or other the manuscript was stolen.

In any case, when I had published Çrémad-Bhägavatam, First Canto, in three volumes in India, I thought of going to the U.S.A. By the mercy of His Divine Grace, I was able to come to New York on September 17, 1965. Since then, I have translated many books, including Çrémad-Bhägavatam, the Bhakti-rasämåta-sindhu, Teachings of Lord Caitanya (a summary) and many others.

In the meantime, I was induced to translate Çré Caitanya-caritämåta and publish it in an elaborate version. In his leisure time in later life, His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura would simply read Çré Caitanya-caritämåta. It was his favorite book. He used to say that there would be a time when foreigners would learn the Bengali language to read the Caitanya-caritämåta.

The work on this translation began about eighteen months ago. Now, by the grace of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu and His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, it is finished. In this connection I have to thank my American disciples, especially Çrémän Pradyumna däsa Adhikäré, Çrémän Nitäi däsa Adhikäré, Çrémän Jayädvaita däsa Brahmacäré and many other boys and girls who are sincerely helping me in writing, editing and publishing all these literatures.

I think that His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura is always seeing my activities and guiding me within my heart by his words.

As it is said in Çrémad-Bhägavatam, tene brahma hådä ya ädi-kavaye. Spiritual inspiration comes from within the heart, wherein the Supreme Personality of Godhead, in His Paramätmä feature, is always sitting with all His devotees and associates. It is to be admitted that whatever translation work I have done is through the inspiration of my spiritual master, because personally I am most insignificant and incompetent to do this materially impossible work. I do not think myself a very learned scholar, but I have full faith in the service of my spiritual master, His Divine Grace Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura.

If there is any credit to my activities of translating, it is all due to His Divine Grace. Certainly if His Divine Grace were physically present at this time, it would have been a great occasion for jubilation, but even though he is not physically present, I am confident that he is very much pleased by this work of translation. He was very fond of seeing many books published to spread the Kåñëa consciousness movement. Therefore our society, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, has been formed to execute the order of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu and His Divine Grace Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura.

It is my wish that devotees of Lord Caitanya all over the world enjoy this translation, and I am glad to express my gratitude to the learned men in the Western countries who are so pleased with my work that they are ordering in advance all my books that will be published in the future. On this occasion, therefore, I request my disciples who are determined to help me in this work to continue their cooperation fully, so that philosophers, scholars, religionists and people in general all over the world will benefit by reading our transcendental literatures, such as Çrémad-Bhägavatam and Çré Caitanya-caritämåta.

Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports to Çré Caitanya-caritämåta, dated November 10, 1974, at the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, Hare Krishna Land, Juhu, Bombay.
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Sorry for your loss. Best wishes.

Thanks Wannabe, but I have to say it doesn't feel like a loss. I haven't had an emotional reaction thus far. On the one hand I think that is good- because there is no reason to lament. But on the other hand I think it is something to do with the distance I've put between myself and religion. I feel no relationship with my guru now, as I once did. I'm quite disillusioned lately, and feel spiritually lost.

I guess saying 'sorry for your loss' is appropriate after all ;)
 

Onkara

Well-Known Member
I'm quite disillusioned lately, and feel spiritually lost.

Would you like to work out your thoughts with us? To be honest I think forums make us question our spiritual paths much more than we might if left alone to practice them. :)
 

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
So I found out this morning that my gurudeva, Srila Narayan Maharaj, left his body this morning.

It's weird, I've known this was coming for some time. But I don't feel anything. Neither joyful nor sad. I feel like this should represent something for me. But I'm so confused, spiritually, that I don't know what to think or feel. I don't consider myself to be a Hare Krishna. I haven't prayed to gurudeva for a long time. I hardly know what my relationship with this man should be. I was initiated by him when I was 10 years old. So I've been a disciple for over 12 years. I used to love him greatly. I believed he could hear my prayers, that he was bringing me closer to Radha and Krishna.

But I've moved so far away from my childhood beliefs. I suppose that today, with his death, I am seeing clearly how lost I am spiritually. I'm just confused.

Have any of you experienced this? What did you do?

Hello, Madhuri. I can empathize with how you must be feeling. I've never experienced the loss of a guru, but I know all too well how it feels to be spiritually very lost; it can be lonely and scary. Your confusion needs an outlet for expression. Give yourself some time to work through your feelings, and in the end, you will be a wiser person. Think about the people in your life that are important to you. You know who they are. In those relationships, you can find a measure of stability and orientation. Whenever you're feeling down or confused, keep in mind that you still have a tail bone, and you do have access to vast resources within yourself.
 
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Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Dear Madhuri,

Do not grieve for the loss of your Guru in his bodily form. He is with you as much as he ever was. Meditate and ask for God and him to guide you through intuition. To become intune with your Guru you must first pray to him deeply. Then meditate deeply with the thought of him in your mind's eye. I also visualize they are there meditating with me blessing me all the time. True attunement is through meditation and your own awakening. That is why it does not matter if he is here in material form or not. To better know him and what he represented is to know him within. The best way to feel a sense of spiritual upliftment and finding your way is to meditate regularly and deeply. In this way you will notice naturally how your life and perception changes from confused and lost, to joyous, constructive, reorganized, and rejuvenated. You just have to be disciplined about it, and it will become a habit if it hasn't already.

Just make time to meditate and sit in the silence and you will begin to feel his and God's guidance (which are one and the same) in your heart and in your life. I can relate because my Guru is Yogananda and his bodily form died a long time ago. Best wishes!
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Dear Madhuri,

Just make time to meditate and sit in the silence and you will begin to feel his and God's guidance (which are one and the same) in your heart and in your life. I can relate because my Guru is Yogananda and his bodily form died a long time ago. Best wishes!

I think meditation is something I really need to get involved in. I haven't meditated in years. I keep procrastinating for some reason. And I know it's the way to find answers.
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
I think meditation is something I really need to get involved in. I haven't meditated in years. I keep procrastinating for some reason. And I know it's the way to find answers.

You most definitely should! It is the only way to have any profound intuitive understanding and bliss. Just make time to sit in the silence, and if you struggle with it practice techniques. If you don't know any then emplore about them at the new SRF temple you found. Meditation becomes easier the more you can begin to apply it and create a intimate relationship with the Divine Mother. When you are listening to your inner sounds call to her deeply from your longing heart and you feel her presence pour over your being. That is how you develop a relationship and meditate with God.
 
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See, i am borned Brahmin and converted to Islam 10 years before....so as per my capability if you wel come i will write on Spiritulity on Vedas and Upneshadas.......
i am 51 years old and state government employee....
you asked me about my motivation why i select you to write? ...ther are some reasons why i select you.....First you write articles on hindu gods and goddess, then your Indian name attracted me lot in this very crowded, funny and different names of forum members, then you are on organisation body.as staff.all is well for discussing spiritual outlook....
If you can......tell me how i can operate this system of computer because there are so many options but by ALLAH my english is little good...
tell my hello to your parents....
i will read your all articles one by one in comming time...
rest is ok...
 
Madhuri.....i am hussain, just now i posted one mail to you i know not to which your file it is attached......
It is good you know difference between Body and Soul.....but there is never loss in spirituality with death of Guru....because you must maintain your spirituality alive
hussain
 
I sent 2 mails to you....
i know not where they are attached.....
i like to discuss on Hindu religious spirituality.....
i am borned Brahman now converted to Islam....
hussain
 

Devotee

Vaisnava
Perhaps you are looking at this in a negative light, Madhuri. Doesnt it say in the Gita that one should neither lament for the living or the dead? Therefore, no need to feel sad.
 

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
Perhaps you are looking at this in a negative light, Madhuri. Doesnt it say in the Gita that one should neither lament for the living or the dead? Therefore, no need to feel sad.

I'm wondering how many people payed close enough attention to the opening post, where she positively stated that it was not sadness or lament that was confronting her, but confusion.
 
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