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My new boss is almost as crazy as my old boss.

Alceste

Vagabond
You should tell her why you are leaving though - if you really do care for her. You're articulate - surely you can write a resignation letter that tactfully tells her that her mood swings and uber-controlling behavior are not professional and that you choose not to put yourself in that environment.

She's going to hate you anyway, so what can you lose? I mean, you're giving basically no notice (which, speaking of unprofessional - IS). You're leaving her in a lurch - the least you can do is tell her why.

Before I agreed to start the new job tomorrow, I said I would not be able to because I had already committed to working for this crazy lady and didn't want to leave her hanging. Then she texted me to say she doesn't need me tomorrow. So I had a day free, unexpectedly, due to her lack of professionalism. Why not start my new job? Do I need to give her notice that I can't work for her on a day that she doesn't want me to work for her?
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Before I agreed to start the new job tomorrow, I said I would not be able to because I had already committed to working for this crazy lady and didn't want to leave her hanging. Then she texted me to say she doesn't need me tomorrow. So I had a day free, unexpectedly, due to her lack of professionalism. Why not start my new job? Do I need to give her notice that I can't work for her on a day that she doesn't want me to work for her?

Are you going to continue working for her? If so, that's not a problem.

I thought you were quitting the job with the crazy lady.

To make a long story short, I got another job and I'm leaving this one but I feel like a jerk. Should I tell her it's because she's an awful boss, or just say I got a better offer? Since my new job is only part time, should I tell her I'm still available to help her a couple days a week or is it not worth the hassle? I don't really need that job - I have 4 others.


But if you're keeping it, then of course you don't need to give her a letter of resignation.
 
I never ,ever burn bridges.
Every job I have left (and that happens to be quite a few) tells me I am welcome back any time. Diplomacy is always the best way to go IMO.:yes:
 

devorncauser

New Member
your story made me tear up. It's amazing when you make so much progress within your heart, you forget there are still people who haven't progressed at all. the users here have responded with love and care. it doesn't matter what your boss says about your input not being valued, we all know it is and you deserve better.

you've been given some wonderful advices already so i wont try to add to it, but just letting you know. u deserve to be treated better. best of luck.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Are you going to continue working for her? If so, that's not a problem.

I thought you were quitting the job with the crazy lady.




But if you're keeping it, then of course you don't need to give her a letter of resignation.

I am leaving. I just haven't decided yet what to tell her and when. I know she will take it very hard if I tell her the truth about why I'm quitting, but I think a hard lesson may help her learn to treat the next person she hires well enough to keep them longer than a few days / weeks.

Probably not though. Part of what makes her unbearable is the enormous effort she already puts into trying to sound friendly and justify herself when she knows she's being horrid. That makes me suspect it's already come up a few times.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I never ,ever burn bridges.
Every job I have left (and that happens to be quite a few) tells me I am welcome back any time. Diplomacy is always the best way to go IMO.:yes:

I don't burn bridges either but there's no chance I will ever agree to work for this woman again. Seriously, PMS or no, life is too short to work for someone who doesn't allow breaks and is so mean she makes me cry. This isn't 1850.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
your story made me tear up. It's amazing when you make so much progress within your heart, you forget there are still people who haven't progressed at all. the users here have responded with love and care. it doesn't matter what your boss says about your input not being valued, we all know it is and you deserve better.

you've been given some wonderful advices already so i wont try to add to it, but just letting you know. u deserve to be treated better. best of luck.

Thanks for the kind thoughts. :)
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
You should tell her why you are leaving though - if you really do care for her. You're articulate - surely you can write a resignation letter that tactfully tells her that her mood swings and uber-controlling behavior are not professional and that you choose not to put yourself in that environment.

She's going to hate you anyway, so what can you lose? I mean, you're giving basically no notice (which, speaking of unprofessional - IS). You're leaving her in a lurch - the least you can do is tell her why.

Not to be nit-picky but it's never unprofessional to leave without notice if you're being bullied or sexually harassed with no recourse...
 

Starsoul

Truth
You should tell her why you are leaving though - if you really do care for her. You're articulate - surely you can write a resignation letter that tactfully tells her that her mood swings and uber-controlling behavior are not professional and that you choose not to put yourself in that environment.

She's going to hate you anyway, so what can you lose? I mean, you're giving basically no notice (which, speaking of unprofessional - IS). You're leaving her in a lurch - the least you can do is tell her why.

I agree with this, she needs to know about her abusive behavior, if she is sensible enough, she will try to improve herself. Appreciate her few good points initially though, incase you choose to write an email, I would never work with an abusive boss. It would be good to at least let her know, lest she carries on with the same behavior with some other unsuspecting individual. This boss sounds obsessive compulsive.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I am leaving. I just haven't decided yet what to tell her and when. I know she will take it very hard if I tell her the truth about why I'm quitting, but I think a hard lesson may help her learn to treat the next person she hires well enough to keep them longer than a few days / weeks.

Probably not though. Part of what makes her unbearable is the enormous effort she already puts into trying to sound friendly and justify herself when she knows she's being horrid. That makes me suspect it's already come up a few times.

When are you leaving? Are you going to give her any notice before leaving?

I believe you should, and I believe it should be an honest resignation. I don't mean a CRUEL resignation - use tact, but let her know that her behavior toward you is the main reason. I mean, you loved landscaping until you worked for her. She's trampled your spirit. This is serious. She may be able to alter her approach with the next person if you are honest with her now.

You say you really care for her. If so, you should try to help her.

And I still believe you should give her some notice, so she has time to find a replacement. Just because she's being unprofessional, doesn't mean you have to be as well.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I agree with this, she needs to know about her abusive behavior, if she is sensible enough, she will try to improve herself. Appreciate her few good points initially though, incase you choose to write an email, I would never work with an abusive boss. It would be good to at least let her know, lest she carries on with the same behavior with some other unsuspecting individual. This boss sounds obsessive compulsive.

Don't resign by text or email though! Resign in person.

Have some dignity and courage.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I am about to resign from my job. I am doing so for two reasons:

1. I don't really HAVE to work, and my husband would rather I travel some with him (his job requires a lot of travel) and be home when he's home (he's home between jobs for sometimes two weeks).

2. But if my job duties and description had not been altered significantly over the past six months, I would not be leaving -in spite of my husband's schedule. My work week went from about 45 hours to about 55 - nearly every day is an 11 or even 12 hour day, often without a lunch or a break. Banks are suffering mightily these days, and the entire atmosphere is negative and bleak. But I could take that - times are hard, after all. But the killer has been that as people have left, the bank is not replacing them. Our staffing is so short, that our workload has doubled.

To add to that, they haven't replaced several commercial lenders - a field that most of the branch managers are not very familiar with. No matter! Managers - voila! You are now commercial lenders!

The pressure has become ridiculous. The work load is one that no one could do in less than 70 hours a week - I'm not sure it could be done in even that amount of time. I've delegated all I can delegate.

I've always been a high performer and exceeded expectations - and I am not going to live my life going home every day feeling like a failure after busting my *** all day. Their expectations are unreasonable. I've already told them that. Their staffing restrictions are putting a strain on every single employee. I've already told them that as well.

Nothing has changed. Since the passage of the Durbin Act, things are worse, with no end in sight. Life is too short. Stick a fork in me - I'm done.

I am just grateful that I don't HAVE to work. Otherwise I'd be stuck, in this economy. So - in about 1-2 months, I'm going to turn in my resignation. And it will be an honest resignation.

What I've done in the past when I've resigned for unpleasant reasons, has been to put together a rather generic resignation letter for my personnel file, with 2-4 weeks' notice, depending on the job. In that letter, I've mentioned that, other than the (true) phrase "I am resigning because I have been offered a position with another company which offers me an opportunity that better fits my goals and my family's needs" - there are other reasons as well, and if they are interested in knowing those reasons, I will gladly share them.

I've had one manager ask, and one not ask. But it's on them - if they want to know why a quality employee left, they know the door is open for them to find out - I've offered.

I left one job after about seven years, working with a company and a staff I absolutely loved - but suddenly my immediate manager, who obviously felt threatened by me, began doing a lot of undermining,micromanaging, and basically tampering with my job description in an obvious effort to keep me from advancing to a level that was laterally at her same level (though not HER position, so for the life of me I couldn't figure out why she wanted to keep me down, but it was obvious to many people that for whatever reason, she felt threatened that I would be at her same level). This was a very emotional parting, and in this one case, I was very deeply hurt and angry. It was a PERSONAL attack, not a business/industry issue like the one I'm dealing with now, and I was furious and heartbroken.

In that case, I did compile a series of facts about my accomplishments, and her behaviors, and was brutally honest in the letter I wrote, which I gave to her, and to the owner. I also met with the owner in person and was forthright.

I gave a two week notice but of course, after that scathing, but very true, letter, I was told that I could leave immediately. I had already cleaned my office out, so all I had to do was pick up my keys and walk out.

I was unemployed for fifteen minutes - the time it took me to drive across town and be drug screened on my way to fill out my hiring papers at my next job.

That was one of the most satisfying days of my life!
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
Dear Alceste,
Most of us will come across people like your boss every so often. They may never learn this themselves, but in truth - as I'm sure you know - in the long run, it is mainly their own loss.

Should you decide to leave your job, I believe you ought to explain; not because you owe her anything but because it may contribute to her own selfawareness in future (which of course would contribute to the general improvement of things in larger scale) and, if it does not, it's not cost you much, really.

Still, I wonder whether you've truly reflected upon why your bosses (there have been several in your life recently?) make you feel like you do and why this makes working for them so awful?
Don't get me wrong; I'm on your side! I would just like to mention certain, unaddressed aspects in situation:

A) We cannot control what others do [to us] but once we realise it, we are in complete control of how we feel about what others do.

If you leave, you have allowed your boss to control the outcome of a situation which at first, was as much yours, as it was hers. Her attitude and behaviour got to you in such a way that you felt you needed to leave. Only you can give her actions that power over your being!

B) Pride is a strong concept, but it is only that: a concept. And, in this particular situation, it will not serves you constructively.

Should you find that you truly wish to stay and help despite her horrid ways [I get that feeling sometimes from how you write], do so without bitterness. Rid yourself of the concept of pride - this is not the same as swallowing one's pride and keeping it all bottled up! -, do as the boss says and do so lovingly. Grant her this time of authority over your work (it is but temporary), as opposed to letting her have a permanent impact on your life and person!

Wishing you the very best,
Hermit
 

Alceste

Vagabond
When are you leaving? Are you going to give her any notice before leaving?

I believe you should, and I believe it should be an honest resignation. I don't mean a CRUEL resignation - use tact, but let her know that her behavior toward you is the main reason. I mean, you loved landscaping until you worked for her. She's trampled your spirit. This is serious. She may be able to alter her approach with the next person if you are honest with her now.

You say you really care for her. If so, you should try to help her.

And I still believe you should give her some notice, so she has time to find a replacement. Just because she's being unprofessional, doesn't mean you have to be as well.

Like I said, I haven't decided what or when to tell her. It's not a normal job, as I said. I am an independent contractor and invoice her for my labour. She tells me at the very last minute whether she needs me or not the next day. I will probably tell her on Monday and work the rest of the week. And I will probably just say it's because the other offer is a better fit.

If there's one thing I've learned about mentally ill people growing up with a bipolar dad, it's that hyper-critical, neurotic people are desperately fragile. I don't think the truth is the most merciful option.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I am about to resign from my job. I am doing so for two reasons:

1. I don't really HAVE to work, and my husband would rather I travel some with him (his job requires a lot of travel) and be home when he's home (he's home between jobs for sometimes two weeks).

2. But if my job duties and description had not been altered significantly over the past six months, I would not be leaving -in spite of my husband's schedule. My work week went from about 45 hours to about 55 - nearly every day is an 11 or even 12 hour day, often without a lunch or a break. Banks are suffering mightily these days, and the entire atmosphere is negative and bleak. But I could take that - times are hard, after all. But the killer has been that as people have left, the bank is not replacing them. Our staffing is so short, that our workload has doubled.

To add to that, they haven't replaced several commercial lenders - a field that most of the branch managers are not very familiar with. No matter! Managers - voila! You are now commercial lenders!

The pressure has become ridiculous. The work load is one that no one could do in less than 70 hours a week - I'm not sure it could be done in even that amount of time. I've delegated all I can delegate.

I've always been a high performer and exceeded expectations - and I am not going to live my life going home every day feeling like a failure after busting my *** all day. Their expectations are unreasonable. I've already told them that. Their staffing restrictions are putting a strain on every single employee. I've already told them that as well.

Nothing has changed. Since the passage of the Durbin Act, things are worse, with no end in sight. Life is too short. Stick a fork in me - I'm done.

I am just grateful that I don't HAVE to work. Otherwise I'd be stuck, in this economy. So - in about 1-2 months, I'm going to turn in my resignation. And it will be an honest resignation.

What I've done in the past when I've resigned for unpleasant reasons, has been to put together a rather generic resignation letter for my personnel file, with 2-4 weeks' notice, depending on the job. In that letter, I've mentioned that, other than the (true) phrase "I am resigning because I have been offered a position with another company which offers me an opportunity that better fits my goals and my family's needs" - there are other reasons as well, and if they are interested in knowing those reasons, I will gladly share them.

I've had one manager ask, and one not ask. But it's on them - if they want to know why a quality employee left, they know the door is open for them to find out - I've offered.

I left one job after about seven years, working with a company and a staff I absolutely loved - but suddenly my immediate manager, who obviously felt threatened by me, began doing a lot of undermining,micromanaging, and basically tampering with my job description in an obvious effort to keep me from advancing to a level that was laterally at her same level (though not HER position, so for the life of me I couldn't figure out why she wanted to keep me down, but it was obvious to many people that for whatever reason, she felt threatened that I would be at her same level). This was a very emotional parting, and in this one case, I was very deeply hurt and angry. It was a PERSONAL attack, not a business/industry issue like the one I'm dealing with now, and I was furious and heartbroken.

In that case, I did compile a series of facts about my accomplishments, and her behaviors, and was brutally honest in the letter I wrote, which I gave to her, and to the owner. I also met with the owner in person and was forthright.

I gave a two week notice but of course, after that scathing, but very true, letter, I was told that I could leave immediately. I had already cleaned my office out, so all I had to do was pick up my keys and walk out.

I was unemployed for fifteen minutes - the time it took me to drive across town and be drug screened on my way to fill out my hiring papers at my next job.

That was one of the most satisfying days of my life!

That sounds like what happened to my partner at his last job. Everybody on his team ended up on anti-depressants or anxiety medication from gazing into the yawning chasm between the new chief executive's expectations and what it was actually possible to achieve. It made me glad my whole team was axed in the first round of layoffs. Glad to hear you're getting out.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Dear Alceste,
Most of us will come across people like your boss every so often. They may never learn this themselves, but in truth - as I'm sure you know - in the long run, it is mainly their own loss.

Should you decide to leave your job, I believe you ought to explain; not because you owe her anything but because it may contribute to her own selfawareness in future (which of course would contribute to the general improvement of things in larger scale) and, if it does not, it's not cost you much, really.

Still, I wonder whether you've truly reflected upon why your bosses (there have been several in your life recently?) make you feel like you do and why this makes working for them so awful?
Don't get me wrong; I'm on your side! I would just like to mention certain, unaddressed aspects in situation:

A) We cannot control what others do [to us] but once we realise it, we are in complete control of how we feel about what others do.

If you leave, you have allowed your boss to control the outcome of a situation which at first, was as much yours, as it was hers. Her attitude and behaviour got to you in such a way that you felt you needed to leave. Only you can give her actions that power over your being!

B) Pride is a strong concept, but it is only that: a concept. And, in this particular situation, it will not serves you constructively.

Should you find that you truly wish to stay and help despite her horrid ways [I get that feeling sometimes from how you write], do so without bitterness. Rid yourself of the concept of pride - this is not the same as swallowing one's pride and keeping it all bottled up! -, do as the boss says and do so lovingly. Grant her this time of authority over your work (it is but temporary), as opposed to letting her have a permanent impact on your life and person!

Wishing you the very best,
Hermit

I was going to say it's unprecedented but on reflection it might be a pattern after all. All the jobs I didn't quit to move or go traveling for a few months I left because of an incompetent and controlling boss. That particular combo is my kryptonite. lol.

I don't think that's a pattern I want to fix, though. I am proud to a fault sometimes and at times it's a problem (like when I need help), but this is a situation where it was needed to get me moving. Mental illness in this kind of situation is contageous. I already feel like I'm walking on eggshells, looking over my shoulder all the time, second guessing myself, afraid to ask questions or make suggestions... if I drop a little clod of dirt where it doesn't belong I worry about getting "caught" like a kid stealing candy. This is not something I need in my life, or want to learn to deal with.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Here's an update: I started my new job today and was really gung ho to get started (there is a lot of very challenging stuff to do, and it's totally up to me how and when I do it - this is like crack cocaine for me in the workplace).

Then about five minutes ago the crazy cow called and fired me (without notice), saying she felt it wasn't working out because it's too stressful for her. I told her I felt exactly the same way and was enormously relieved because I started a new job today and wasn't at all looking forward to having to work through the notice period I was prepared to give her, considering how stressful it is for all concerned.

Needless to say, she seemed a little surprised to discover I started a new job today. She asked when I got it and I said "Things went so badly on Thursday I texted people who had offered me a job over a week ago - one that I had turned down to work for you - and asked if it was still available, and it was".

As far as "working out" is concerned, I would say it's worked out perfectly!

I have to say, though, I'm a little ticked at her. The last month she's been banging on incessantly about how "we" are going to expand her business, how "we" are going to divvy up the work crews in the spring, how I need to buy loads of expensive tools, how she's got work for "us" right up into December... What if I hadn't gotten fed up with her? What if there hadn't been a better job waiting? I left another job to work for this woman! I bought tools and weather gear!

What a crazy day.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
So she didn't give you a second thought, as predicted. Definitely a taker. You have done well.

She was a taker of dignity and a giver of a mysterious frozen fish. I still can't work her out, but once I get my pay off her on Monday I will never need to give her another thought.
 
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