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My problem with Muslims from personal experience
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ronki23
Well-Known Member
I can hold my hands up for Hindu violence but unlike the majority of Muslim I won't point the finger somewhere else or say it's a conspiracy.
In case you didn't know I have two threads running criticizing Mao and Pol Pot (atheists); one of which debates whether Hitler was a Christian
90% of your terrorist act were by ISIS or Al Qaeda, The majority of Muslims most certainly denounce them. Are you going to link American white terrorist attacks, like mass shootings, to all Christians, that's just total BS, something you seem to like to deal in.
ronki23
Well-Known Member
Except they don't denounce them; in 9/11's case they say it was an inside job or in ISIS' case it's Israel Secret Intelligence Service
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
My 2 cents:
As a Muslim who lives in a Muslim majority country (Iran) with about 80 million other Muslims:
People who claim to be Muslims can act good or bad, regardless of their religious beliefs (you'll see the exact same trend in every religious or non-religious group). Your personal experience with random Muslims is inconclusive.
As a Muslim who lives in a Muslim majority country (Iran) with about 80 million other Muslims:
People who claim to be Muslims can act good or bad, regardless of their religious beliefs (you'll see the exact same trend in every religious or non-religious group). Your personal experience with random Muslims is inconclusive.
Haven't seen you denouncing Hindu atrocities in India either!!
It’s very refreshing to come across someone who doesn’t blame an entire race or religion for the crimes of a few.
These attacks do not represent Islam or the Quran or mainstream Muslims who deplore such behaviour but are the crimes of deluded individuals seeking to gain political power by trying to stir up hatred towards the west.
The number of killed in the WTC was closer to 3,000 not 27,000 as far as I know.
There are over 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide who are good peaceful people and I consider it prejudice and an injustice to try and paint all Muslims with the same brush.
If we do choose to go down the path of blaming an entire religion or culture then we must ask why one of the most violent nations on earth is a Christian nation. They too prayed and even had the bombs ‘blest’ before dropping them on Hiroshima and Nagasaki massacring knowingly and deliberately over 200,000 innocent people. Are we to blame the Bible and the fact these people were Christians for that as well? This account by the chaplain at the time explains that those who commit these atrocities do not get it from God or Holy Books but from not following their religion and following religious leaders instead. Because nonreligion teaches murder.
Blessing the Bombs
If you add up all the terrorist killings and compare them to gun violence in the USA you will find no comparison. The west is ultimately far more violent and in wars it gets reported to us as ‘collateral damage’ not murder. Or it doesn’t get anywhere near the worldwide publicity an attack by a Muslim gets.
The same media which reports ‘Muslim’ crimes is very docile and almost silent or even apologetic when it comes to reporting western violence as if only Muslims are violent.
There is, I am firmly convinced, mostly good in every race, nation and religion but there are a tiny minority in each of them that commit atrocities and gain wide publicity. An example that Burmese Buddhist monk who calls for holy war. We all know violence is against Buddha’s teachings.
But to me, the good in all races and religions remains untarnished and I don’t buy whatsoever into insidious attempts to paint an entire people with the same brush.
Your list leaves out over 1.7 billion good, peaceful and upright Muslims and is a distortion of reality as 1.7 billion Muslims do not support these crimes.
All religions have taught brotherhood. All people want peace. It is only the governments and war departments that promote war and slaughter
I believe that the likelihood of misinterpreting or finding justification for violence in respective scriptures is more likely in certain faiths than in others. All one has to do is look at the scriptures themselves. It's too bad all scriptures didn't leave far less room for this interpretation.
Historically, people claiming to be Islamic have the most blood on their hands, most notably the Muslim invasions of India, which have some historians putting the death count as high as 400 million. So it is little wonder fear of Muslims persists.
Although my encounters here in Canada have been overwhelmingly positive, I can't say the same for my pilgrimages in India.
Historically, people claiming to be Islamic have the most blood on their hands, most notably the Muslim invasions of India, which have some historians putting the death count as high as 400 million. So it is little wonder fear of Muslims persists.
Although my encounters here in Canada have been overwhelmingly positive, I can't say the same for my pilgrimages in India.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
Disobedience to the laws of the Holy Books is the cause of these things.
There are clear passages in the Quran to be tolerant of other faiths as well as not to kill or murder anyone or commit aggression.
I've never read the Quran. Certainly those folks committing violence in it's name disagree with you. They may well tell you there are clear passages giving them license to hate. Lots of folks take scriptures literally. Infidels, homosexuals, red headed people ... it's all nonsense in my view, but when people have hate in their hearts, it's easy to find something to justify it, I suppose. Some days I think it would be better to have no scripture at all.
Edited to add.
Violence in the Quran - Wikipedia
I think you’re spot on when you say that when people have hate in their hearts they seek to justify it and also that if religion becomes a cause of wars and killing then it would be better we didn’t have it.
Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth; it should give birth to spirituality, and bring light and life to every soul. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division it would be better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act. For it is clear that the purpose of a remedy is to cure, but if the remedy only aggravates the complaint, it had better be left alone. Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion. ( Baha’i Writings)
From the beginning of human history down to the present time various religions of the world have anathematised one another......
Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 158-160
But in the end it isn't the religion or the non-religion, it's the adherents. Just as the gun itself doesn't murder, the religion itself doesn't. A book cannot hate, it's ink and paper.
The most wise words I’ve read in a long, long time and I wish everyone thought like you do.
ronki23
Well-Known Member
I meant to say 2,700. Either way, the majority of Muslims will say 9/11 or ISIS was Mossad
ronki23
Well-Known Member
Fine; I condemn the 2002 Gujarat riots and 1984 Hindu-Sikh riots. They were politically motivated, not religious because Hindu scriptures don't say to kill Muslims and Sikhs.
I'll repeat myself AGAIN: the majority of Muslims blame 9/11 and ISIS on the Mossad.
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
People are killed by weapons. The most violent people on earth are those that build and sell these weapons for profit. According to google these countries are the top ten exporters of weapons in the world:
1- US
2- Russia
3- France
4- Germany
5- China
6- UK
7- Spain
8- Israel
9- Italy
10 Netherlands
There is not a single Muslim country in the top ten list, but I can clearly see Christians, Jews, Communists, and Atheists there. So let's bash Muslims for the crimes of others...
1- US
2- Russia
3- France
4- Germany
5- China
6- UK
7- Spain
8- Israel
9- Italy
10 Netherlands
There is not a single Muslim country in the top ten list, but I can clearly see Christians, Jews, Communists, and Atheists there. So let's bash Muslims for the crimes of others...
Whichever way it was evil men that committed this atrocity. A truly religious and god fearing person would never harm another soul.