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My proof that the Trinity is false

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
it states all over the bible that jesus us the son of god. Not a equal part of god.
Not explicitly. But it is implied "all over the place" in the Bible.
Thats the problem with the trinity, it was created to fix a problem of contradiction
Not so much a problem of contradiction as one of solidifying a heretofore unknown (and amorphous) concept.
but only made more because the trinity goes against the gospels own words.
No it doesn't.
With not one word about the ideas behind the trinity in one page of the bible.
Hmm...
"My Lord and my God."
"I am in the Father and the Father in me."
"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."
"The word was God...the word became flesh and lived among us."
...for starters.
its hard to deny the trinity is a manufactured deity
it's hard to deny any construct of God is a manufactured thing.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
it's hard to deny any construct of God is a manufactured thing.

you wont get a arguement there lol its my opinion he was created when ancient hebrews created their religion and deity's that went along with it when they first gathered in 1250BC and needed a religion for their new culture.

but im giving the trinity more here trying to make it work and i find to many issues as described and as written.

must be why its still a hot topic and its been trouble since it was started
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
you wont get a arguement there lol its my opinion he was created when ancient hebrews created their religion and deity's that went along with it when they first gathered in 1250BC and needed a religion for their new culture.

but im giving the trinity more here trying to make it work and i find to many issues as described and as written.

must be why its still a hot topic and its been trouble since it was started
Wanna know why it's convoluted and a hot topic?

1) We understand God to be greater than our capacity to understand, so anything we say about God is an incomplete picture. like looking at three pieces of a 2000 piece jigsaw puzzle and saying, "what the heck is that?!"

2) In the Abrahamic tradition, there has always been a line drawn between humanity and Divinity that humanity cannot cross (examples: getting thrown out of the Garden and knocking down the Tower of Babel). Xy, though, takes a bold step, in envisioning God Incarnate. It adds several more pieces to the puzzle, and takes the added step of moving us closer to the table, so we can't see the pieces so clearly. In other words, Xy almost takes a humanistic stance to Divinity. Jesus was fully human, and, in being fully human, is also fully Divine. It blurs that distinction I mentioned.

Being a Trinitarian means that God is revealed, not through religious formulas (such as Mosaic Law), but through understanding the human life (Jesus). Jesus said "Humanity was not made for the Sabbath; the Sabbath was made for humanity.

The Trinity presents a paradigm that really doesn't fit with the established relationship heretofore understood to exist between humanity and Divinity.
 

Starsoul

Truth
I don't understand one thing, trinitarians/christians believe jesus to be the son of God since jesus did not have a biological father.

What about Adam then? The first man on Earth had neither a biological father or a mother, why don't they call him the son of God, while he had neither of a parent? it is due to some sort of a prejudice? or he too has been called the son of God in the bible but xtians dont pay much attention..
 

Shermana

Heretic
I don't understand one thing, trinitarians/christians believe jesus to be the son of God since jesus did not have a biological father.

What about Adam then? The first man on Earth had neither a biological father or a mother, why don't they call him the son of God, while he had neither of a parent? it is due to some sort of a prejudice? or he too has been called the son of God in the bible but xtians dont pay much attention..

Whether it's of any relevance, Jesus is referred to as the "Last Adam" for some strange reason by Paul....
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
I don't understand one thing, trinitarians/christians believe jesus to be the son of God since jesus did not have a biological father.

What about Adam then? The first man on Earth had neither a biological father or a mother, why don't they call him the son of God, while he had neither of a parent? it is due to some sort of a prejudice? or he too has been called the son of God in the bible but xtians dont pay much attention..

Luke 3:38 - "the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God."

For what it's worth...
 

outhouse

Atheistically
1) We understand God to be greater than our capacity to understand, so anything we say about God is an incomplete picture. like looking at three pieces of a 2000 piece jigsaw puzzle and saying, "what the heck is that?!"

because your digging in ancient mans imagination and trying to define what another people of another culture were imaginaing.


It adds several more pieces to the puzzle, and takes the added step of moving us closer to the table, so we can't see the pieces so clearly.

it makes it obvious what and why and who they created their god for, needed for a book created or heavily edited around their changing beliefs.



The Trinity presents a paradigm that really doesn't fit with the established relationship heretofore understood to exist between humanity and Divinity.

beacause as they tried to define their second deity as ANOTHER son of god, they threw themselves in a trickbag they have never really been able to climb out of.

anyone can create theology to explain away reality, it doesnt change the facts though.



I do understand your point though and thank you for the detailed explanation, it shines a different light on your theology.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Luke 3:38 - "the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God."

For what it's worth...


you know? since adam is mythical and has zero historicity. You would think this kind of scripture carries a little weight against yeshuas historicity.

Im sure its ignored by scholars who use less to prove historicity
 

Starsoul

Truth
Luke 3:38 - "the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God."

For what it's worth...

Well that could also mean that all men were referred to as the sons of God, which did not imply specifically to jesus, and jesus, just like everybody else was the creation of God but at a Prophetic position, just like other Prophets.( thats my understanding) May I ask what does seth, enosh stand for?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't understand one thing, trinitarians/christians believe jesus to be the son of God since jesus did not have a biological father.

What about Adam then? The first man on Earth had neither a biological father or a mother, why don't they call him the son of God, while he had neither of a parent? it is due to some sort of a prejudice? or he too has been called the son of God in the bible but xtians dont pay much attention..

Adam had a spirit breathed into Him but Jesus was conceived with the Holy Spirit. It would appear to be ambiguous in Jesus as to whether the Holy Spirit was just there for the conception or stayed to be joined with the body. However from later statements by Jesus equating Himself with God it would appear that the latter is the case.

Su 2:87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit

Su 2:253 Those apostles we endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees of honor; to Jesus the son of Mary we gave Clear Signs, and strengthened him with the holy spirit.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Whether it's of any relevance, Jesus is referred to as the "Last Adam" for some strange reason by Paul....

I think context gives us the key:

I Cor 15:44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

This is the first Adam.

This is the las t Adam.

The emphasis here is not on the spiritual content of the body but on what the body is created to be. Both are creations of God. The first has the spirit that was capable of sin the last has a spirit that is incapable of sin ie "life giving".
 
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