My socialistic faith

[metis]

With all due respect, you studied in countries that are not Italy.
Italy has a very peculiar history and culture, that is light years away from Northern Europe.
You surely are very informed about the Holocaust, Nazism, and all that happened in Poland.

I studied Fascism, the laws of Fascism from a juridical and an economic point of view. In Italian.
I ascertained that Fascism had a socialistic leader and his name was Benito Mussolini. I have countless documents that prove that.

Mussolini was originally a socialist politician and a journalist at the Avanti! newspaper. In 1912, he became a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI),[7] but he was expelled from the PSI for advocating military intervention in World War I, in opposition to the party's stance on neutrality. In 1914, Mussolini founded a new journal, Il Popolo d'Italia, and served in the Royal Italian Army during the war until he was wounded and discharged in 1917. Mussolini denounced the PSI, his views now centering on Italian nationalism instead of socialism, and later founded the fascist movement which came to oppose egalitarianism[8] and class conflict, instead advocating "revolutionary nationalism" transcending class lines.[9] On 31 October 1922, following the March on Rome (28–30 October), Mussolini was appointed prime minister by King Victor Emmanuel III, becoming the youngest individual to hold the office up to that time. After removing all political opposition through his secret police and outlawing labor strikes,[10] Mussolini and his followers consolidated power through a series of laws that transformed the nation into a one-party dictatorship. Within five years, Mussolini had established dictatorial authority by both legal and illegal means and aspired to create a totalitarian state. In 1929, Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with the Holy See to establish Vatican City... -- Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia

 

[Estro Felino]

Mussolini was originally a socialist politician and a journalist at the Avanti! newspaper. In 1912, he became a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI),[7] but he was expelled from the PSI for advocating military intervention in World War I, in opposition to the party's stance on neutrality. In 1914, Mussolini founded a new journal, Il Popolo d'Italia, and served in the Royal Italian Army during the war until he was wounded and discharged in 1917. Mussolini denounced the PSI, his views now centering on Italian nationalism instead of socialism, and later founded the fascist movement which came to oppose egalitarianism[8] and class conflict, instead advocating "revolutionary nationalism" transcending class lines.[9] On 31 October 1922, following the March on Rome (28–30 October), Mussolini was appointed prime minister by King Victor Emmanuel III, becoming the youngest individual to hold the office up to that time. After removing all political opposition through his secret police and outlawing labor strikes,[10] Mussolini and his followers consolidated power through a series of laws that transformed the nation into a one-party dictatorship. Within five years, Mussolini had established dictatorial authority by both legal and illegal means and aspired to create a totalitarian state. In 1929, Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with the Holy See to establish Vatican City... -- Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia

Okay.
One question, and I would like a straightforward answer, s'il te plait.


- Lex Serpieri: the law that expropriated thousands and thousands of acres from rich aristocrats, big landowners who owned the so called latifondo of fallow land.
That land was distributed among the farmers. The serfs, that could work on those pieces of land and become proprietors.
Is this law socialistic or not?
How would you define this law?

 

[metis]

Okay.
One question, and I would like a straightforward answer, s'il te plait.


- Lex Serpieri: the law that expropriated thousands and thousands of acres from rich aristocrats, big landowners who owned the so called latifondo of fallow land.
That land was distributed among the farmers. The serfs, that could work on those pieces of land and become proprietors.
Is this law socialistic or not?
How would you define this law?

One thing that basically all fascist leaders do is to placate the masses is to take resources from those they don't like and redistribute it to the masses, especially their "buddies" that back them. IOW, all fascist leaders are what we call "populists" so as to gain and retain support.

 

[Estro Felino]

One thing that basically all fascist leaders do is to placate the masses is to take resources from those they don't like and redistribute it to the masses, especially their "buddies" that back them. IOW, all fascist leaders are what we call "populists" so as to gain and retain support.

Is that negative?
No.
Those who write the history books are the same elites who steal resources from the populace. So if a leader tries to redistribute this wealth according to a principle of social justice, it's normal that these elites will write in the history books that this leader was bad, a tyrant...
It's logical.

 

[metis]

Is that negative?

No, but in the repeated case with all of the fascist leaders, it is self-serving. Matter of fact, Hitler took his cues on doing this from Mussolini.

 

[Valjean]

Links #33 & 35.
Socialism is radically democratic. Fascism is radically autocratic and opposed to democracy. These two -- and several other definitive characteristics -- don't seem compatible to me.

As for rewriting history, that's not a matter of nationality, but scholarship and analysis of historical facts.
Governments call themselves all kinds of things which they're not: "socialist," "peoples' republic," &c. My country calls itself a democratic republic.

By their fruits, not their claims, shall ye know them.

Fascism Vs Socialism
Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference Between
https://www.sociologygroup.com/differences-between-fascism-socialism/

 

[Estro Felino]

Links #33 & 35.
Socialism is radically democratic. Fascism is radically autocratic and opposed to democracy. These two -- and several other definitive characteristics -- don't seem compatible to me.

As for rewriting history, that's not a matter of nationality, but scholarship and analysis of historical facts.
Governments call themselves all kinds of things which they're not: "socialist," "peoples' republic," &c. My country calls itself a democratic republic.

By their fruits, not their claims, shall ye know them.

Fascism Vs Socialism
Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference Between
https://www.sociologygroup.com/differences-between-fascism-socialism/

Everyone knows the winners of the wars rewrite history...
and they claim to rewrite the history of the vanquished and the conquered.

The Americans need to feel reassured that they were on the right side of history in WW2, so they need to demonize the wicked Duce, saying he was an aristocrat on the side of the aristocrats,
No...it was a Duce who has done anything to help the masses and the proletariats, by humiliating the arrogant élites and by expropriating their wealth. So the wealth could be distributed among the poor.