My Views About Jesus

[IF_u_knew]

How can these things not be physical ? These were real punishments for perceived crimes. These were not stories to teach a lesson. Thousands of people were killed - for nonsensical reasons - because of these words.

You mistake the Love that you know - for the Love that God is. When you understand God - You understand the light shines on all things - You understand that that very light - is Love.

I can not give you the understanding of why those things are written other than to say that for me, they were not a burden, but rather the guide to Truth. I found wisdom behind those words that you are so quick to dismiss and to me, they speak of Life rather than death. It took time to be able to come to a point where I could read them and it was then that I began to understand their purpose and the beauty they do contain. It is ironic that you say "When you understand God- you understand the light (that) shines on all things" and yet you judge and dismiss the words of Truth in the manner that you do.

 

[Judgment]

I can not give you the understanding of why those things are written other than to say that for me, they were not a burden, but rather the guide to Truth. I found wisdom behind those words that you are so quick to dismiss and to me, they speak of Life rather than death. It took time to be able to come to a point where I could read them and it was then that I began to understand their purpose and the beauty they do contain. It is ironic that you say "When you understand God- you understand the light (that) shines on all things" and yet you judge and dismiss the words of Truth in the manner that you do.

God's word should transcend human history and human laws - those words do not. For a God to call for death sentences for such nonsensical reasons - should - give you a moment of pause to say Um, what ? . Instead - you view them as wisdom and as beauty and as life - how, I will never understand. This is terrifying to me - such books should be closed - and the light they supposedly give should be dimmed - they teach a mixed message to the children.

You say you can not give me the understanding you say you have - but - please answer me this. How is killing someone for being drunk.. wisdom and beauty and life ?

 

[IF_u_knew]

God's word should transcend human history and human laws - those words do not. For a God to call for death sentences for such nonsensical reasons - should - give you a moment of pause to say Um, what ? . Instead - you view them as wisdom and as beauty and as life - how, I will never understand. This is terrifying to me - such books should be closed - and the light they supposedly give should be dimmed - they teach a mixed message to the children.

You say you can not give me the understanding you say you have - but - please answer me this. How is killing someone for being drunk.. wisdom and beauty and life ?

I am not sure what you are speaking of in the last part, but it still does not change how I see it. You see death in those words, and I at one time did to. Now I see Life in those words. It is a matter of my perspective having changed. Most people see death because it is the mentality they have become slaves to. All I can say is that I see Life and for the above reason that you stated, such books should be closed, I have set out to make sure they are embedded in my heart... because I do not put it past those who do not understand the Nature of God to try for such a thing.

The NT by the way has disturbing references and since most of it is ACTUALLY FOCUSED on death.. I am unsure why it does not seem to bother you. *shrugs*

 

[Judgment]

I am not sure what you are speaking of in the last part, but it still does not change how I see it. You see death in those words, and I at one time did to. Now I see Life in those words. It is a matter of my perspective having changed. Most people see death because it is the mentality they have become slaves to. All I can say is that I see Life and for the above reason that you stated, such books should be closed, I have set out to make sure they are embedded in my heart... because I do not put it past those who do not understand the Nature of God to try for such a thing.

The NT by the way has disturbing references and since most of it is ACTUALLY FOCUSED on death.. I am unsure why it does not seem to bother you. *shrugs*

The only way you can say you don't understand what I am speaking of in my last post - is if you have only paid attention to your own thinking - your own words. If a Holy book gives a mixed message - that message is then not clear - it is doing just as much harm as good to the children that read it.

The Question again : How is killing someone for being drunk.. wisdom and beauty and life ?

And more questions for you - Everything I am asking are rules to be followed by the God that you Love - Followed blindly by those that believe that they "Understand the Nature of God"

How is killing an apostate considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

How is killing someone that disobeys their parents considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

How is Slavery considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

How is God saying that the Amalekites are to be utterly destroyed (men, women, children and infants) considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

Like those that follow the Hadith - You are the one that has become a slave to words - you are unable to see the bad because you have been brainwashed into believing all that is written is good.

 

[IF_u_knew]

The only way you can say you don't understand what I am speaking of in my last post - is if you have only paid attention to your own thinking - your own words. If a Holy book gives a mixed message - that message is then not clear - it is doing just as much harm as good to the children that read it.

The Question again : How is killing someone for being drunk.. wisdom and beauty and life ?

A reference for this would be appreciated since you seem to be having real issues with this particular one. Thank you

And more questions for you - Everything I am asking are rules to be followed by the God that you Love - Followed blindly by those that believe that they "Understand the Nature of God"

How is killing an apostate considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

How is killing someone that disobeys their parents considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

How is Slavery considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

How is God saying that the Amalekites are to be utterly destroyed (men, women, children and infants) considered wisdom and beauty and Truth and life ?

Like those that follow the Hadith - You are the one that has become a slave to words - you are unable to see the bad because you have been brainwashed into believing all that is written is good.

Let's take "disobeying the parents" for instance. When I was a child, my parents knew better how to keep me safe than did I. Now, when my parents gave me instruction on something and I was disobedient to it, often I learned my lesson. Some children do not... thus, they harden their hearts toward their parents instructions because they are angry that their parents DID know better... this leads to ignorance in Life. The stoning is metaphoric to me... as they become disobedient defiantly and consistently, the best thing a parent can do is to allow them to learn through the experiences so that the child does not continue to harden their heart further against their parents. Just to keep silence and at a safe distance to step in when needed. This is part of training up a child in a wise manner. However, one MUST be wise in order to set this forth properly.

You say they actually stoned their children... I do not know that. I was not there; this is how it was revealed to me and to make a judgment call on what I do not know to be fact is not something I will do.

*shrugs* I am not a slave to words and thus the reason why I do not see death in them. I would urge you to carefully consider what being a slave to words actually means.

 

[Judgment]

IF_u_knew; A reference for this would be appreciated since you seem to be having real issues with this particular one. Thank you

I would hope that any person would have an issue with such a horrific statement for such a mundane offence.

Second sermon
Deuteronomy 5-26
The death penalty is also prescribed for males who are guilty of all of the following: disobeying their parents, profligacy and drunkenness

IF_u_knew; Let's take "disobeying the parents" for instance. When I was a child, my parents knew better how to keep me safe than did I. Now, when my parents gave me instruction on something and I was disobedient to it, often I learned my lesson. Some children do not... thus, they harden their hearts toward their parents instructions because they are angry that their parents DID know better... this leads to ignorance in Life. The stoning is metaphoric to me... as they become disobedient defiantly and consistently, the best thing a parent can do is to allow them to learn through the experiences so that the child does not continue to harden their heart further against their parents. Just to keep silence and at a safe distance to step in when needed. This is part of training up a child in a wise manner. However, one MUST be wise in order to set this forth properly.

You say they actually stoned their children... I do not know that. I was not there; this is how it was revealed to me and to make a judgment call on what I do not know to be fact is not something I will do.

*shrugs*
IF_u_knew; I am not a slave to words and thus the reason why I do not see death in them. I would urge you to carefully consider what being a slave to words actually means.

You are sadly mistaken - meaning - you have much more to learn about the faith you profess as your own. Death for disobeying your parents was a law that was enforced. Many were killed. And.. you answered none of the other questions.

A slave to words means that you follow your path blindly. You do not question barbaric teachings - in fact - you are unable to see them at all. God save us all.

 

[IF_u_knew]

I would hope that any person would have an issue with such a horrific statement for such a mundane offence.

Second sermon
Deuteronomy 5-26
The death penalty is also prescribed for males who are guilty of all of the following: disobeying their parents, profligacy and drunkenness

Deuteronomy 5: 26 says, "For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?" :yes:

Unless you are saying 5 THROUGH 26, in which case, I was asking directly for that particular offense/punishment reference that troubles you so. No matter... I do not need it; below is my over all answer to what you are choosing to find offensive.

You are sadly mistaken - meaning - you have much more to learn about the faith you profess as your own. Death for disobeying your parents was a law that was enforced. Many were killed. And.. you answered none of the other questions.

A slave to words means that you follow your path blindly. You do not question barbaric teachings - in fact - you are unable to see them at all. God save us all.

Again, I was not there. I can not sit here and make judgment calls on something that CAN NOT BE PROVED TO BE TRUE. I followed the guidelines of Proverbs 2: 1-7 and this was the understanding that He gave me from His mouth. So, you are not arguing with me, but rather with the understanding that He gave to me.

For argument's sake however, fine... let's say that all these things throughout Deuteronomy are as you say, physical punishments; it was not meant for you.. it was to a certain people and there were those who chose to not take part in it. Shelah, the 3rd son of Judah, departed from the children of Israel with his clan shortly after the crossing of the Red Sea. It is a person's right to take part in what they so choose, is it not? When was it that you were given the authority to set the moral code in place for God toward His people? It was not for the Gentiles, it was for Israel... those who chose to accept apparently did not accept blindly for as you can see it was all laid out before they went through the blessings and the curses. I am failing to see what it is your are complaining about and where you are gaining the authority to judge it.

Are these being imposed upon your life? Are you being threatened with death for having a bit to drink? If not, then what is the problem?

 

[Judgment]

Deuteronomy 5: 26 says, "For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?" :yes:

Unless you are saying 5 THROUGH 26, in which case, I was asking directly for that particular offense/punishment reference that troubles you so. No matter... I do not need it; below is my over all answer to what you are choosing to find offensive.

Again, I was not there. I can not sit here and make judgment calls on something that CAN NOT BE PROVED TO BE TRUE. I followed the guidelines of Proverbs 2: 1-7 and this was the understanding that He gave me from His mouth. So, you are not arguing with me, but rather with the understanding that He gave to me.

For argument's sake however, fine... let's say that all these things throughout Deuteronomy are as you say, physical punishments; it was not meant for you.. it was to a certain people and there were those who chose to not take part in it. Shelah, the 3rd son of Judah, departed from the children of Israel with his clan shortly after the crossing of the Red Sea. It is a person's right to take part in what they so choose, is it not? When was it that you were given the authority to set the moral code in place for God toward His people? It was not for the Gentiles, it was for Israel... those who chose to accept apparently did not accept blindly for as you can see it was all laid out before they went through the blessings and the curses. I am failing to see what it is your are complaining about and where you are gaining the authority to judge it.

Are these being imposed upon your life? Are you being threatened with death for having a bit to drink? If not, then what is the problem?

It was 5 through 26.

You only need to read your holy book for the proof you require - unless you are saying the laws that were transcribed are not true.

The problem is you - You worship a cruel, vengeance seeking deity. One that has called for the death of apostates, called for the death of disobedient children, called for the deaths of people that have too much to drink , called for the deaths of everyone in villages. The point is - The punishments should not have been meant for anyone.

Those who accepted did accept blindly as you do - they were listening to every word as it was the truth and they did not question one word.

You become the problem when you do not see barbaric teachings that are right before you. When you complain that someone else is judging the precious Yahweh. I do judge him - the authority to judge has been given by me. As your authority to judge me has been given by yourself.

Thousands died needlessly because of Yahweh's words. Because Islam has similar barbaric teachings within the Hadith - Thousands have died as a result.. and thousands still die because old teachings refuse to die.

I am showing you flaws in your God's teachings - they are clear as can be - however - you will never see them if you continue to see perfection where there is none.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

God's word should ....

Why "should" it? How would you presume to know? In fact, you don't. You simply spout baseless platitudes born of a completely anthropomorphic and anthropopathic God image.

 

[Judgment]

Why "should" it? How would you presume to know? In fact, you don't. You simply spout baseless platitudes born of a completely anthropomorphic and anthropopathic God image.

You do not believe that God's word should transcend human history and human laws? It appears Yahweh could only see the time period he spoke in - looking at his barbaric punishments. If this is all you think of God - then you do not think much of God.

 

[IF_u_knew]

I am showing you flaws in your God's teachings - they are clear as can be - however - you will never see them if you continue to see perfection where there is none.

Sorry sir, but you are showing me flaws in your understanding of the Word of God; nothing more. If you are unhappy with the words written, then may I suggest a practical solution? I am going to go ahead and assume that you do *not* mind.

Here it is: DO NOT READ IT. I have a choice. I have made that choice. I choose to read it and in so doing, I have found the Beauty therein. I *do* find the Laws, Commands, and overall ways of God to be much more wise than what I was being taught prior by men such as yourself. This is my right and one I am thankful to have.

 

[Judgment]

Sorry sir, but you are showing me flaws in your understanding of the Word of God; nothing more. If you are unhappy with the words written, then may I suggest a practical solution? I am going to go ahead and assume that you do *not* mind.

Here it is: DO NOT READ IT. I have a choice. I have made that choice. I choose to read it and in so doing, I have found the Beauty therein. I *do* find the Laws, Commands, and overall ways of God to be much more wise than what I was being taught prior by men such as yourself. This is my right and one I am thankful to have.

If you believe the flaws are in my understanding - then - you are content that the God you worship told his children to kill apostates, to kill adulterers, to kill disobedient children, to kill drunks, to wipe out villages... then, so be it.

That you find these laws and commands to be wise is a worry for all - and.. as a reminder to all that follow no God - why it is that they 'do not'.

Of course it is your right - free will is a wonderful thing. We part in Peace sister.