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Naive Philosophy: Morality

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Relax; I am a certified naive philosopher, this won't hurt a bit. But for those who have a "trolley problem," I have a train wreck. I thought you guys might welcome the chance to consider morality, top-down, for a change. ;)

A man I had invited into my house, to share my space; recently stole property from one of my friends, when said property was being held by my neighbor. There is no witness to this act; but other than divine intervention, there is no uncertainty as to larceny and perpetrator.

What I have been doing, for the past few days, is carrying a machete. Running the simulations - where he comes by, I tell him to leave and never return - and there is no conversation beyond that point. He assents, or becomes disassembled. I have been using what I call, Jedi mind tricks; to prepare the body to follow only the path decreed by mind.

OK, we need a codicil... yeah, yeah, there's always amendment to law... but I goes towards persecution. yer honor. I would expect many of you to contend that the punishment does not fit the crime, And I tell you plainly, you are right.

And where I am (just plain wrong) is on the subject of Gwyneth Paltrow. One of my most valued possessions in life, is the piece of copper on my door, on which is inscribed - the church of gwyneth paltrow and all mankind. Which makes his crime blasphemy, which makes his punishment, exile, or death.

Like I said, I got the moral absolutes, you come in, look for holes; maybe we can all learn something.

An immediate result of his action, was to forfeit all his possessions in my sanctuary. There was no contract, there was only trust; once the trust was violated, obligation ceased. After two days of consideration, I went to my friend's house, brought him to mine - whatever was his, is yours - and even ported it to his domicile. This was an intentional act. To remove some of the sting from the material loss endured by my friend with material recompense. And to lessen the moral imperative to sever; mine, and my friend's.

It has been a week. Much of the heat has dissipated, and the likelihood of the event occurring in a moment of diminished capacity is much lessened.

Most likely, the fool will resurface in a month or two; but he is a fool, he will be back. If nothing else, consideration here will also decrease uncivilized moral imperative. ;)

And if the only moral question you ask yourself is your responsibility to inform the authorities, fear not. You have no such responsibility. I intend to report any violation of civil law on my part immediately after it occurs. I am a much more proficient naive lawyer than philosopher. ;)
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Interesting that this seems to be the only basis of "morality" you based this person on. Standards of morality are within the realms of not only what you do in such cases as you mentioned, but also within the realm of sexual standards and how you portray yourself. I always found it a shame when people take advantage of others kindness. This seems to be your case. Hope everything works well for you.
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Interesting that this seems to be the only basis of "morality" you based this person on. Standards of morality are within the realms of not only what you do in such cases as you mentioned, but also within the realm of sexual standards and how you portray yourself. I always found it a shame when people take advantage of others kindness. This seems to be your case. Hope everything works well for you.

Don't be nice! Attack! Grrr!

My moral absolutism came from my Gwynnies in January, is like a seed held to its purest essence. In the world moral certainty has one clear gravity well - murder. That it is morally wrong. For me, it is an ambiguity detection device. (I understand there are those who cannot even consider such an act; and many that do not consider such an act. Myself, I am from the mean streets.) I have the ability to visualize situations as mental simulations with a clarity approaching physical reality (Also, there are those who have no such facilities) and I have tangential experience.

One, my eighty-three percent certainty that killing creationists is, for me, a righteous act. For months, my mind was like the Bijoux Theater running an action-adventure gore fest. There is no honor in what I state, but the experience I have is of talking to psychologists about eighty-three percentile, their having no ambiguity as to my insanity. So, something in my physical demeanor must reflect the depth of my convictions; in person, there ain't so many words.

But psychosis in not sociopathy. I can empathize, I am fundamentally rational; I have been able to derive less ambiguous moral standards in the past, share them among my contemporaries, and to become something of a minor moral compass in the local universe. Which is only to say, I cannot be certain as to how I come across in my presentation...

Pointers would not be amiss...

You need not empathize with me. These have been topics of discussion among my peers, I believe I have been quite productive in spreading moral clarity as of late.

And I really thought it would be cool to have an absolute to disassemble, for a change; rather than the ethical assembly towards an absolute, using hypotheticals...

I never understood that. I have a simple solution to the trolley problem, that's even zen - there is only now. Sacrificing a life now, for a non-existent later; that's crazier than what I'm doing! :D
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
That dang Gwynnies! Yesterday, she... ah, I'm still, kinda vibrating. Figured some worship was required...

Right in the middle, there's a knock on my door, thought it was my friend...

It wasn't. So I hadda proclaim, then get the machete... slow, too slow...

I mean, exile was an option... But we do have definite empirical evidence!

Absolute morality + faith = whole lotta watch the **** out! I could feel it spread up from my toes; and it is like girding up, like an electrical field putting me in the Iron Man suit - go from wallowing in my Gwynnies, to - animal bout a minute.

Animal like; future, present, consequence - evaporate. Threat... eliminate threat; kinda conscious reduction.

Anybody tell you that faith stuff ain't dangerous; ain't got it.
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
And he's at the corner, thinks he has something to say. I only step forward, he only steps away...

A moral victory, no?
 
I'm sorry but I don't see how the words "morals" and "killing" can come about? Some guy steals from you and you want to kill him? You are just creating violence out of nothing. I think you should consider why this person stole from you for a moment. I'm sorry if i'm taking this topic seriously as it seems like it might be an inside joke or there's some internet ego stroking going on that I am not conscious of.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry but I don't see how the words "morals" and "killing" can come about? Some guy steals from you and you want to kill him? You are just creating violence out of nothing. I think you should consider why this person stole from you for a moment. I'm sorry if i'm taking this topic seriously as it seems like it might be an inside joke or there's some internet ego stroking going on that I am not conscious of.
LOL! No problem taking the op serious. I just think that the author has a different way of viewing things. The term "kill" is used loosely for the most part today, I have a felling that killing the perpetrator in this given situation is just a way to convey the amount of anger felt.
 
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