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Amrut

Aum - Advaita
Namaste

I practice Advaita Vedanta. I have studied less scriptures as I believe in less but repetitive reading and more meditation. Meditation is the core of my life. Prior to Advaita, I used to practice Pranic Healing, which is non-traditional, but was eventually transferred to Advaita.

Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Ramana Maharshi has great influence upon me.

I manage a blog Indiaspirituality and have collected some similar 'Blogs of Note'

Aum
Indiaspirituality
 

Amrut

Aum - Advaita
Thank you @JayaBholenath @Sumit

What exactly is the practise of Advaita Vedanta? I thought it was a philosophy.

Namaste,

I hope you are familiar with the philosophy.

In advaita, there are 2 types of sAdhanA

1. OM
2. Neti-Neti

1. OM

Sadhaka meditates on the mantra OM. By meaning to meditate may first be considered as Japa

So it is chanting of OM. Sadhana begins with verbal chanting, then followed by mental and later followed by just observing mantra OM.

After one regularly meditates, and is able to meditate for long hours, say 3 hours, then OM chanting continues by itself. One does not have to make an effort to chant OM. Even if thoughts come, just ignore them. Even if one is involved in thoughts, if one quickly realizes that one should be aware of OM, then slowly and smoothly shift your focus on OM and just be aware of it. Thoughts will automatically fade away or dissolve. Meditation continues. If OM does not continue, then chant it mentally. After a few chants, it goes on automatically.

For Advanced sadhaka:

After on is able to be aware of OM, and the force of thoughts of very less, one can be aware of the source of the mantra. chanting of OM, the pitch, spandan (gap between 2 OMs), uprooting of thoughts and desires is done by OM itself and you as an individual has no hand in it, except that you are allowing it to happen. you allow thoughts to come, do not give importance by neglecting them and be aware of the source of mantra. Now there is transformation from effort to effortless, as one does not chant. When one is putting mental effort in chanting, it is done with the help of mind, but when the chant continues by itself, there is no effort of mind. If chanting is done with the help of mind, which is the obvious thing to do in the beginning, then there will be a saturation point. There is a limit to put an effort. But when there is no effort, mediator remains fresh and can extend the duration of meditation.

This requires God's and Guru's grace. Of course it requires vivek-yukta-vairagya (renunciation accompanied by power of discrimination - sorry about bad translation), total dedication and moksha as the only goal. If all these are present then meditation becomes easy. Renunciation helps one to neglect thoughts and not give importance to any thoughts. Dedication, faith and surrender to Brahman is extremely important and without surrender, God will not take over your mind in meditation. Entire thing is controlled by God. This takes time, as all these factors may be present but not to the fullest extend.

Just like one can find the ocean shore by moving in the direction of sound of waves, one can go into the source of OM, which is Brahman / Atman. After that even OM rests. There is only you and nothing else. This is advaita sthiti called as nirvikalp samadhi. But again mind rises, as it was sleeping or temporarily subdued, and one is again in duality. The process repeats until everything that is dumped into the mind is uprooted by OM. After that there is mano-nASa (destruction of mind). This is sahaj samAdhi. After this state, when one opens eyes, he / she sees that the world which we thoughts as an illusion, is nothign but Brahman itself (sarvam khalu-idam Brahman --> everything 'Else' is (also) Brahman ). Meditation is over. One is Jivan Mukta and has achieved moksha.

Practically, initially, when one is taught - I am not this not this, my family is not mine, my friends are not mine, nothing is mine, etc, one feels that suddenly the joy, enjoyment, ananda, etc is been robbed away and one feels that nothing is meaningful. This is vairagya. It happens. It produces fear and insecurity. When one jumps into this insecurity, one realizes that one is most secured. Slowly the truth unfold, and one gets clarity. After passing through this phase one becomes steady i.e. mind becomes steady.

Advaita asks one to rise from duality. It is said from Atma bhAva and not Jiva bhAva.

Practically, mind becomes peaceful, OM continues in mind throughout the day or most of the day. Peace and bliss unconditionally flow, as they are a result of renunciation and so do not depend upon any external factor. Advaitin lives on minimum requirements. As one advances, mental renunciation increases. One may or may not renounce physically, but mental renunciation is a must

2. Neti-neti

This is actual advaita, as taught in Yog-Vasista and Sri Ramana Maharshi. There is no OM. One thinks of Brahman constantly. e.g. is nirvANa shaTaka by Adi SankarAchArya. Some 10 verses on Brahma bhAvanA are given in Vivek Chudamani. In this type of sadhana, one enters into samadhi knowingly whereas in case of OM, one enters achAnaka (suddenly with surprise - again bad translation). But the result is same.

This type of meditation is extremely difficult and so most of them take AdhAra (support) of OM. Maandukya upanishad takes about OM. OM is one tatva that can effortlessly take one above maya (as maya was created by OM or from OM). OM up-roots both good and bad desires. So even desires like serving humanity or any sattvik desires are also up-rooted. Even sattva gUNa is a dosha.

Pure mind and renunciation are pre-requisites for Advaita. Hence Advaita is not for everybody. One can purify by doing karma-kand (rituals) and doing bhakti on personal God. Later depending upon prakruti one can shift to either Advaita (for logical reasoning type people) or continue sAkAra bhakti (emotional characters).

I am not good at explaining. I hope you get the point.

Aum
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Thank you for that. So the practice is primarily meditative, but you have to be a renunciate first. That makes sense.
 

Amrut

Aum - Advaita
So the practice is primarily meditative, but you have to be a renunciate first. That makes sense.

Yes Vinayaka ji :) as it helps to easily meditate.

If you keep giving importance to worldly activities, then thoughts about some thing or something whom you care or hate will some. Then thought process will continue ... one thought after another and one is lost in thoughts. Mantra is lost.

This is the reason why renunciation is important and so we say this world is mithya.

MithyA just does not mean illusion, though it is true from Brahma bhAva or advaita sthiti. But in that sthiti Sri Ramakrishna says one can only live for 21 days. After that connection with body drops permanently. Jivan muktas are the ones who return to this world for the good of all, that too upon instruction and guidance of divine power or Ishwara.

truth = true in all tenses and all states waking sleeping and deep sleep and in turiya
false = not there at any time or any state like rabit's horn.

mithyA = illusion like sea-shell as silver and rope and snake. Mithya also means that one which is not present at all times. So this waking state is absent in dream state and vica versa. Khandan is done with the intention that one develops vairAgya and so does not give importance to it. If glories of mAyA are sung then mind will remain attached and will be attracted towards it. We are taught to be neutral. Rest all is taken care by God :)

Sri Ramakrishna gives e.g. of pregnant women.

As month of delivery comes nearby, amount of work is reduced. After say 7-8 months very less work is given. After delivery of baby (Jnan), no work is given. Only work is to be with baby (Jnana).

So as one progress God reduces physical work and the responsibility. Always remember, the decision is not taken by the disciple, but Guru orders it. Many times the person himself distances from us, as we reach maturity. Decisions are taken by Guru. Even selecting a path and the way to meditate is decided by Guru. God who is inside us, tackles our mind when we meditate and up-roots desires. Just like we charge mobile for an hour and it goes not for a day, so does meditation charges you and keeps you connected with God even when you are fully concentrating in work. In such case, japa continues in sub-conscious mind. The moment you drop the work i.e. finish it, japa mantra (OM in this case) pops up without effort. Yes without effort. We sometimes listen to a song just before going out and then switch off TV. That song randomly pops up at any time (mostly when we are free). This happens to all our us, no matter how intelligent or concentration power we have or how brilliant one is in studies. If a song can pop up then why can't God's name, whom you have surrendered? If this happens then the mantra has continued through day in sub-conscious mind.

Again, before sleeping, if one does japa and then first thought after waking up is that mantra, then still the mantra has continued. It does not matter if dreams come. God handles it. This is the reason why it all depends upon God's grace. Guru also helps one understand shastras and makes one introvert. Gives direction. Guru is extremely important.

Not thinking about this world is enough, if we cannot accept that this world is nothing but illusion. As one matures, God will make one experience what Shastras say. Only than doubts will be up-rooted. Until then - Have Faith. Have faith in shastras, Guru and God. Have Faith and say - God Exist. Remember that you only feel lonely when you are not with God.

Consciousness or awareness is important. When one is sleeping, consciousness is in dream state, and so if thieves rob your house, you are smiling, because you are with a beautiful girl ;)

Where your mind is important and not where your body is.

More you associate with body, more is the consciousness cling to body. Nore you associate with mind, chit or ego more will it be embed into them. If you think that you are Jiva, then consciousness will cling and embed into Jiva and one will stay in Jiva bhAva. Even scriptures will be interpreted from Jiva bhAva. But if one thinks of Brahman and associates himself with Brahman, the consciousness will loosen it's grip with mind-body-intellect-ego, jiva,etc and merge with Brahman.

Just like we clearly see this world and experience it and do not see God, similarly, when our consciousness is merged with Brahman, then one clearly experiences that 'I Am Brahman' and one does not experiences or sees this world.

Also remember that you cannot negate your own existence, so it is not a shunya state, but sat-chit-ananda :)

Since one has to even detach from own body i.e. detach consciousness body, so even body is not given importance. Khandan is done for this purpose. This is what I feel and understand from my limited knowledge.

EDIT: Not by parroting or by logically accepting but by merging with brahman one becomes Brahman.

sorry for long explanation

OM
Indiaspirituality
 
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Amrut

Aum - Advaita
So you must be under sannyas vows? I suspect you are the only one here.

Not quite vow :), but yes I live spiritual life and have left many things. No mobile, no friends, no social life and many more no's ;) I work in family business, but as and when I get time, I meditate, even for small durations. First there was a lot of opposition, but then after I stood firm, God took care of situation.

Online activity is an emotional outlet. I admit. I cannot stay 100 % introvert all the day, but daily meditate. The days in which I am introvert, I do not find am not active online.

I am very lucky to have God's grace.

But that's the path chosen for me. Mental renunciation is must.

OM
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
More or less just asking questions to see stuff ... but it's all good. Some people play Advaita like its some sort of intellectual study ... they regurgitate advaitins, the ones like Ramakrishna or Ramana Maharshi, who spoke from a deep advaitic level, having realised their knowledge through meditation, or other realisation, after lifetimes of hard work. So I'm glad to hear yours is a better understanding. It often boils down to an understanding of the term 'jnana' and the two levels of understanding are 'mystical' versus 'intellectual'. By definition, I do not think you can understand advaita intellectually.
 

Amrut

Aum - Advaita
More or less just asking questions to see stuff ... but it's all good. Some people play Advaita like its some sort of intellectual study ... they regurgitate advaitins, the ones like Ramakrishna or Ramana Maharshi, who spoke from a deep advaitic level, having realised their knowledge through meditation, or other realisation, after lifetimes of hard work. So I'm glad to hear yours is a better understanding. It often boils down to an understanding of the term 'jnana' and the two levels of understanding are 'mystical' versus 'intellectual'. By definition, I do not think you can understand advaita intellectually.

It would be 'Direct Experience' v/s 'Intellectual experience'. This is a big problem in Advaita. Consciousness is connected with physical body. You cannot prove anyone who claims to be a Jnani that he/she is not a jnani.

Again, surrendering to SELF would give rise to Ego if wrongly understood. Advaitins do accept NirGuNa brahman as supreme. It means that there is something above us. Advaita asks us to rise by meditation to know who you are. As I have said khandan is done with an intention to rise above it and not to presume logically that I am Self' and so above everything and so 'I am not the meditator' hence I will not meditate. Sadly consciousness is still attached to physical body and one cannot experience effortless meditation (a-japA-japa - i.e. OM continues by itself and destroys all vAsanA). But who will tell them?

From the beginning dvaita is not rejected. the very statement that

"Brahma Satyam Jagan Mithya Jivo Brahmaiva Na Aparah" says that Jiva is brahman. It means that Jiva exists (for ajnani, whatever is the reason). Only from pArmArthic satya, the statement that 'I am Brahman' is true as one is speaking from this state.

EDIT: It is said to do brahma-bhAvanA and not just presume and sit and do nothing more. Meditation, Self Enquiry is the core

What brought you to Advaita Vedanta?

Namaste,

Fate. I was practising Pranic Healing and I did not like the way things were going. So I repeatedly prayed to God to show a way. then I was selected for higher meditation and the acharya said me to leave it and I was handed over to Advaita Guru.

Please do not ask more details, as some things are too dear to me to be shared in public :)

Aum
 
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mazaburein

slovenly new person
Namaste,

Fate. I was practising Pranic Healing and I did not like the way things were going. So I repeatedly prayed to God to show a way. then I was selected for higher meditation and the acharya said me to leave it and I was handed over to Advaita Guru.

Please do not ask more details, as some things are too dear to me to be shared in public :)

Aum

I sympathize and won't pry further. Glad to meet you. :)
 
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