Name of God is God

[Unveiled Artist]

Thank you for not quoting.

I do not really understand your view.
First, how we know anything comes before what we know.

Second, what we know is because of one's own experiences. Our language, what we were taught by others, our reasoning skills.
Reality our existence was here before ourselves.

Our known universe has an apparent beginning.
It having a cause.
There are basic two types of causes. An infinite series of of causes with no first cause. Or one unique cause.
The typical theist argument is the latter by an uncaused Cause.
In order for either there has to be an uncaused reality. The infinite causes with no first cause or t

I'm not sure how this relates to the spirit being holy and how god's spirit can have a spirit. But nonetheless, I agree that what we know is based on our experiences though I don't believe "reality" had a cause. The formation of life (the universe) wasn't created from nothing but already existed just created into being and, like stars, it will go out of being-forming, and all of that.

Let me ask. If there was no caused reality (which I believe there was not), how would you feel about that?

How would you feel if there was no origin to life (for example, you came to existence without parents to help "form you" into being?

Uncaused reality needs no kind of god.
It is an historical fact of the Hebrew religion. Their God has a Name which can be translated as "the Self Existent One." And uncause reality is the only thing which is really self existent. This is the God the Hebrews worshipped. Their God has no God being He is the only One.
He is omnipresent. Invisible to us, with Him being everywhere. He is the God of the Hebrews.
Now the Jewish temple was last distoryed in 70AD. 40 years after the crusifixion of according to Daniel the Hebrew writer which Jesus called the Christ called a prophet. It was by me believing in Jesus being God's Son to have taken upon Himself my sins. And believing God rasied Him from the dead that my sins would be forgiven. By me believing this I came to know God.
There is an experiment that you must do for yourself.

You must at the very least be willing to believe the good nows of forgivness by believing in God's Son. Becoming a Christian by believing in God's Son is what God does for you. But you have to be willing to believe it IF it is true. The evidence is the message found in the Bible, in the Christian New Testament. But you must understand the simple death for sin, claim of resurrection from the dead, the promise of complete forgiveness. God has to change your mind.

I was interested until this turned into proselytizing. I have a pet peeve over that.

For sake of conversation, though, since I follow something completely different I thought Jews refer to god as Hashem and do not define him nor call him by name that defines his nature. I know christians try to define god but not many god-religions do.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, many.
And they are not just Baptists. The New Testament is the base evidnece of the Christian faith which Christians believe.

Can I ask, are you one of them?

 

[Revoltingest]

Was Flying Spaghetti Monster called "God"? Who has called FSM by the word "God"?

No.
No one.
That I know of.

 

[37818]

I don't believe "reality" had a cause.

We agree that there is uncaused "reality."

Let me ask. If there was no caused reality (which I believe there was not), how would you feel about that?

It is not about a feeling. I identify God to be the uncaused reality. One translation of Hebrew God's Name, "Self Existent One." Only uncaused reality is self existent.

I was interested until this turned into proselytizing. I have a pet peeve over that.

Fair enough. Thank you for the red flag. It is a tenent of the Christian faith.
Believing in a god and knowing God are two diffferent things.

For sake of conversation, though, since I follow something completely different I thought Jews refer to god as Hashem and do not define him nor call him by name that defines his nature. I know christians try to define god but not many god-religions do.

Devout Jews will not pronounce God's name will instend say "The Name," Hashem. Not wanting to break the third commandment. As I understand this.

Can I ask, are you one of them?

Yes.
I attempted to explain how to know God too. It became a red flag.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We agree that there is uncaused "reality."

Uncaused reality sounds more like mystical jargon (saying politely).

You said, though, "our known universe has an apparent beginning." So, you believe there is a cause. (#59) Which do you believe, the universe is an uncaused reality or it is not?

It is not about a feeling. I identify God to be the uncaused reality. One translation of Hebrew God's Name, "Self Existent One." Only uncaused reality is self existent.

Spoke to soon. How did you come to this conclusion?

Feeling isn't a bad word but it's aligned with what you mean when you said you have experiences. Without some sort of feeling involved, then your experiences would have no internal affect on you to thereby form a conclusion of what you mean by god.

Fair enough. Thank you for the red flag. It is a tenent of the Christian faith.

Believing in a god and knowing God are two diffferent things.

You're welcome. It's more of a Religious Forums rule-thing when it comes to proselytizing. Instead, you can put "I believe..." or "This is my opinion..." I know it's already meant to be your opinion but when it is more "you have to understand... if you believed in god, you would know..." it sends mix signals in a non-christian "environment."

I feel there is a difference between experiencing god and through that experience is what you know. Anyone can believe in anything and have faith that it is true. However, it would be stronger to say because of my experiences, I "know" this is true. The former lends some doubt and the latter is a strong conviction.

Devout Jews will not pronounce God's name will instend say "The Name," Hashem. Not wanting to break the third commandment. As I understand this.

I can see it both ways, yes. If you worship someone, of course you don't want to using one's own label to define it and let it be "I AM" to define itself. On the other end, I can see why christians would want a personal name to god in order to have a relationship with it. Either way, it sounds like the same intentions.

Yes.
I attempted to explain how to know God too. It became a red flag.

I usually get a bit suspicious of someone saying "I'm the only one..." but I know many believers and denominations do have that view of the only one that has the truth. It kind of makes it lonely, I would say.

 

[Heyo]

My invisible sky fairy can totally beat your invisible sky fairy!

 

[firedragon]

My invisible sky fairy can totally beat your invisible sky fairy!

There you go. Lol. Inevitable pleasure.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Spirit that's holy?

That is the obvious choice, but it if it is a third persona in the Trinity then I would think that it would have a name. From a non trinitarian viewpoint it not having a name makes a lot of sense, since it isn't a person.

 

[questfortruth]

That is the obvious choice, but it if it is a third persona in the Trinity then I would think that it would have a name. From a non trinitarian viewpoint it not having a name makes a lot of sense, since it isn't a person.

There are three persons in Trinity.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Self-proclaimed divinity is idolatry. Because man-made god is not a True God.

That isn't the point. You asked where you can get the title of God from. And can you give someone something so that they can call you God. And the answer is yes. Whether that person is an actual god or not is a different point.

 

[questfortruth]

Whether that person is an actual god or not is a different point.

No. This is crucial. If people would call me God, then somebody is very stupid. No offense. Gods don't suffer neither die.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Holy Spirit is both a title and a name of God's Spirit. Christians actually know God, Romans 8:9, Romans 8:16.

That makes sense about the naming of the God's Spirit in the Bible. I know about the second claim.

 

[Samael_Khan]

There are three persons in Trinity.

Obviously

 

[Samael_Khan]

No. This is crucial. If people would call me God, then somebody is very stupid. No offense.

Start up your own church in a corner somewhere, claim that you are God and see what happens. You would be shocked to see how gullible people are.

Gods don't suffer neither die.

OK. So you don't belief that God suffered and died for your salvation?

 

[questfortruth]

So you don't belief that God suffered and died for your salvation?

In my Religion (Eastern Orthodox Christianity) the God has not suffered. The human nature of Jesus Christ has suffered, but not His divine nature.

 

[Samael_Khan]

In my Religion (Eastern Orthodox Christianity) the God has not suffered. The human nature of Jesus Christ has suffered, but not His divine nature.

Ahh, OK, so then God didn't actually suffer and die for mankinds sins then? It was the man Jesus only?

I would say though that whether a god can suffer or die is wholly dependent on what your concept of a god is. For you God won't be able to suffer and die. To others, a god can suffer and die.

 

[questfortruth]

god can suffer and die

Not a reliable god for my taste. LOL.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Not a reliable god for my taste. LOL.

True, very true.

 

[questfortruth]

Ahh, OK, so then God didn't actually suffer and die for mankinds sins then? It was the man Jesus only?

I would say though that whether a god can suffer or die is wholly dependent on what your concept of a god is. For you God won't be able to suffer and die. To others, a god can suffer and die.

I have added two funny videos, please read the latter comment.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is the obvious choice, but it if it is a third persona in the Trinity then I would think that it would have a name. From a non trinitarian viewpoint it not having a name makes a lot of sense, since it isn't a person.

I don't know. They say spirit comes from god. If god is spirit, does spirit come from spirit?