Emanuel byler
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what is the name of the Father son holy ghost
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As I understanbd it, the only one we know with any certainty is that the Son was named Yeshua. I don't recall the Holy Spirit actually having a name, per sé and since the Jews screwed around with God's name waaaaaaay back when... there is no way that anyone can be absolutely certain of God's name, only educated guesses.
Emanuel byler
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N0w, here's going to be a stinging question:
Why would a person be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ instead of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? I got two or three; here's one right here: what is the false baptism that you were speaking of last night, if it is water or Spirit? If it is water, and you said Jesus Christ's Name, why did Matthew 28:19... it'd say "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"? Please explain.
Now, these are kind of stinging, but I believe I got another one here somewhere, the same thing, oh, it's about three places. I'll try to get to it. Let's see. Will--will you bear with me for a few minutes? All right. Now, let's just start now and answer these questions. Maybe we can skim through them, and get them maybe (the rest of them) tomorrow, if nothing else for Sunday school, or sometime. But these people, perhaps, are asking this, and tomorrow is baptism. Now, whichever way you're baptized, that doesn't matter to me. But I want to tell you the apostolic doctrine of the Bible. See? Now, we found out last night, that when the Catholic church was organized, that it come out with false communion, saying that when you receive the holy Eucharist, meaning the holy communion there, you receive the Holy Ghost. That is not the Holy Ghost; that's a wafer. The Protestant church shakes hands, puts their names on the book; that's what they call receiving It. Now, but the real wayto receive it was the baptism of the Spirit. And now, the Catholic church brought out catechism. Luther had it; the Methodist church has it; Episcopalians have it; many of the other ones have it: catechism. Many of the traditions of the Catholic church still hangs onto the Protestant church; which forms her right in with it according to the Bible.
But there never was a person ever in all the pages of the Bible, ever baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. There never was a person baptized in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost until the early Catholic church. It's not in the Bible nowhere. And if anybody can find a piece in there, and tell me and show me where one person was baptized using the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost please show me, for I've went through and through and through and through and through it for twenty-some-odd years now. And it's an error. It's a Catholic creed and not a Bible command. Now, we'll find out why; we're going to your question, dear brother. St. John... I mean Matthew 28:19. All right, let's go back over. You turn with your Bible with me, so you can read with me.This is the place where it's spoke of. One place in the Bible of...
Didn't Jesus say, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established"? I can take you in the Bible where It said, "When the Son of man (which Himself was) which now is in heaven shall come again," and standing right here on earth... And said, "The Son of man which now is in heaven," and standing right here on earth... You have to know God to know His Word. You can't... No wonder you say It contradicts Itself. It's confusing. Because God said He wrote It that way to hide It from these scholars and so forth. And let people get humble at the altar, and God will reveal It to you. Now, here's the Scripture, Matthew 28:19: only place in the Bible it ever mentioned these titlesGo ye therefore,... teach all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Now, the way you're baptized is "In the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Ghost." That's not even in the Scripture. But it is here, "Teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name."
65 Now, look right at your Bible and see if that says "in the names" or "in the Name." Now, you say... Now, here not long ago in a meeting, a fellow said, "There's a contradiction in the Bible." Said, "I wish you'd explain it to me. Why did Jesus tell the people to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and Peter turned around and baptized them in the Name of Jesus Christ in Acts 2:38?" Said, "If that don't contradict itself, Idon't see a contradiction." I said, "Just because you haven't sought God right." He said, does it make any difference if I baptize this way or that way?" It certainly does, and I'll proVe it by the Bible. What if--what if Moses... God told Moses, coming up the bush, said, "Moses, take off your shoes; you're on holy ground." He said, "Now, Lord, I'm a reverent man. My shoes are a little hard to take off, so I'll just take off my hat." He never said "hat," He said, "shoes." And what the Bible says is Truth.
Now, if... Here, this is ten days; this is the ascension. And when Jesus was taken up, He commissioned His disciples to go into all the world and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And ten days later... They went up to Jerusalem; they waited in the upper room until the Holy Ghost come; then when they begin to preach and go on... They said, "What can we do to be saved?" Peter said, "Repent, every one of you, and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ." Then he went to the house of Cornelius; he said, "Repent, and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ." He went over and found some people was already baptized, said, "You got to be baptized over again in the Name of Jesus Christ." And went down in Samaria and said, "Baptize them in the Name of Jesus Christ... And not one time was themtitles ever called over a person, never. "Now, there's a contradiction then," you say. No, it's not.
Just ask the Holy Spirit now, and watch Him reveal it to you. Open your heart. Now, don't hold prejudice; if you do, God can't talk to you. But if you won't hold prejudice, say "I'm looking for really truth, "... If Jesus told the disciples to go do this, and they went and done something over here different, and yet God blessed it, and all through the Bible... Now, did they do what Jesus told them not to do? If they did, they disobeyed, and God will never honor disobedience. If He would, He would've honored Eve and stopped the whole thing in the beginning. When God says anything, He's got to keep His Word; He's sovereign. So then either Peter made a mistake... "Oh," said, "that's what the apostles said," One fellow said, "That's what the apostles said; I'm going to do what Jesus said." Well, if the apostles did what Jesus told them not to do,
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Why would a person be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ instead of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? I got two or three; here's one right here: what is the false baptism that you were speaking of last night, if it is water or Spirit? If it is water, and you said Jesus Christ's Name, why did Matthew 28:19... it'd say "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"? Please explain.
Now, these are kind of stinging, but I believe I got another one here somewhere, the same thing, oh, it's about three places. I'll try to get to it. Let's see. Will--will you bear with me for a few minutes? All right. Now, let's just start now and answer these questions. Maybe we can skim through them, and get them maybe (the rest of them) tomorrow, if nothing else for Sunday school, or sometime. But these people, perhaps, are asking this, and tomorrow is baptism. Now, whichever way you're baptized, that doesn't matter to me. But I want to tell you the apostolic doctrine of the Bible. See? Now, we found out last night, that when the Catholic church was organized, that it come out with false communion, saying that when you receive the holy Eucharist, meaning the holy communion there, you receive the Holy Ghost. That is not the Holy Ghost; that's a wafer. The Protestant church shakes hands, puts their names on the book; that's what they call receiving It. Now, but the real wayto receive it was the baptism of the Spirit. And now, the Catholic church brought out catechism. Luther had it; the Methodist church has it; Episcopalians have it; many of the other ones have it: catechism. Many of the traditions of the Catholic church still hangs onto the Protestant church; which forms her right in with it according to the Bible.
But there never was a person ever in all the pages of the Bible, ever baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. There never was a person baptized in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost until the early Catholic church. It's not in the Bible nowhere. And if anybody can find a piece in there, and tell me and show me where one person was baptized using the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost please show me, for I've went through and through and through and through and through it for twenty-some-odd years now. And it's an error. It's a Catholic creed and not a Bible command. Now, we'll find out why; we're going to your question, dear brother. St. John... I mean Matthew 28:19. All right, let's go back over. You turn with your Bible with me, so you can read with me.This is the place where it's spoke of. One place in the Bible of...
Didn't Jesus say, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established"? I can take you in the Bible where It said, "When the Son of man (which Himself was) which now is in heaven shall come again," and standing right here on earth... And said, "The Son of man which now is in heaven," and standing right here on earth... You have to know God to know His Word. You can't... No wonder you say It contradicts Itself. It's confusing. Because God said He wrote It that way to hide It from these scholars and so forth. And let people get humble at the altar, and God will reveal It to you. Now, here's the Scripture, Matthew 28:19: only place in the Bible it ever mentioned these titlesGo ye therefore,... teach all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Now, the way you're baptized is "In the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Ghost." That's not even in the Scripture. But it is here, "Teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name."
65 Now, look right at your Bible and see if that says "in the names" or "in the Name." Now, you say... Now, here not long ago in a meeting, a fellow said, "There's a contradiction in the Bible." Said, "I wish you'd explain it to me. Why did Jesus tell the people to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and Peter turned around and baptized them in the Name of Jesus Christ in Acts 2:38?" Said, "If that don't contradict itself, Idon't see a contradiction." I said, "Just because you haven't sought God right." He said, does it make any difference if I baptize this way or that way?" It certainly does, and I'll proVe it by the Bible. What if--what if Moses... God told Moses, coming up the bush, said, "Moses, take off your shoes; you're on holy ground." He said, "Now, Lord, I'm a reverent man. My shoes are a little hard to take off, so I'll just take off my hat." He never said "hat," He said, "shoes." And what the Bible says is Truth.
Now, if... Here, this is ten days; this is the ascension. And when Jesus was taken up, He commissioned His disciples to go into all the world and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And ten days later... They went up to Jerusalem; they waited in the upper room until the Holy Ghost come; then when they begin to preach and go on... They said, "What can we do to be saved?" Peter said, "Repent, every one of you, and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ." Then he went to the house of Cornelius; he said, "Repent, and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ." He went over and found some people was already baptized, said, "You got to be baptized over again in the Name of Jesus Christ." And went down in Samaria and said, "Baptize them in the Name of Jesus Christ... And not one time was themtitles ever called over a person, never. "Now, there's a contradiction then," you say. No, it's not.
Just ask the Holy Spirit now, and watch Him reveal it to you. Open your heart. Now, don't hold prejudice; if you do, God can't talk to you. But if you won't hold prejudice, say "I'm looking for really truth, "... If Jesus told the disciples to go do this, and they went and done something over here different, and yet God blessed it, and all through the Bible... Now, did they do what Jesus told them not to do? If they did, they disobeyed, and God will never honor disobedience. If He would, He would've honored Eve and stopped the whole thing in the beginning. When God says anything, He's got to keep His Word; He's sovereign. So then either Peter made a mistake... "Oh," said, "that's what the apostles said," One fellow said, "That's what the apostles said; I'm going to do what Jesus said." Well, if the apostles did what Jesus told them not to do,
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Emanuel byler
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The trouble of it with people, we start chopping off out here and say, "Well, I'll--I believe we'll take off from here." That's like trying to climb a ladder up to the top of the house and beginning at the--the tenth round down. You see? The best way to do is, go down to the very foundation of anything and find out where you're laying, is get the foundation. If you want to find Divine healing, if you want to find anything, go right straight back to the beginning to the foundation, and then build upon that, where you begin at. Now, the foundation of all Bible teaching is begin in Genesis, everything. The word "Genesis" means "the beginning, or the seed chapter." And I have studied Genesis now for two years constantly. I've read every commentator I know of, of Arthur Pink and MacIntosh, and those. And I got so sick and tired of reading them, I just laid them back,those. And I got so sick and tired of reading them, I just laid them back, and I said, "God, this is Your commentary." And I--I'm a person just with one Book, and that's the Bible. I just believe what the Bible says and--and don't try to take other's word. Now, in Genesis was the seed chapter where all the seeds were sown. Everything that you find in the world today came out of Genesis.
Brother, Elvis Presley will be there, and he will really be all shook up too, at that time if he don't repent. Arthur Godfrey will be there with all his little Godfrey's, blondes, brunettes, and so forth; it'll be a shaking time for him. All the hail Mary's in the world will never clean his guilty soul; it'll take the Blood of Christ. Such nonsense as that, that four or five psychiatrist trying to keep him a going. It takes the Blood of Jesus Christ to clean a man's soul. And the pollution and the souls... I might hurt your little pet idea now, your idol. This is a pulpit. Them kind of things is what's damning our nation. All the rock-and-rolls and boogly-woogly and all the other kind of stuff and nonsense the devil has placed into the hearts through such tommy-rot as that. God be merciful, let's get still once and get before God. They stood still, God was showing a picture of what Hewas going to do. God never asked a man to do anything that He wouldn't do. God made a way for man.
There's a way for every sinner in here that's sinned. Here it is. There is a fountain filled with Blood, Drawn veins, When sinners plunge beneath the flood, Lose all their guilty stains. Then you're a candidate to follow the Church of God on through this wilderness journey into the promised land. And our promised land is found in John 14. "Let not your hearts be troubled; if you believe in God, believe also in Me. For in My father's house there are many mansions. If it wasn't so, I would've told you. I go and prepare a place for you, and I will come again to receive you unto Myself." Isn't that marvelous, when I think of His love and compassion. "I will come, and I will receive you unto Myself," the love that He had. Sometimes I feel like the runaway slave. When Paul found him, he wrote back to his master, and he said, "Don't... Put all that he owes you, put it upon my bill, and I'll pay you when I come."
And then that Blood was drawed out of Immanuel's veins on Calvary's cross, and today has the same saving, redeeming, holy power that it did the day the transfusion was made out at Calvary. You believe it? Amen. Now, that's right. We're redeemed by the Blood of God. The Bible says we are bought by the Blood, and redeemed by God, God's Own Blood. How was it God's Blood? God has no Blood. How could it be? Because it was God's creative Blood that He created in order to redeem us, and came and lived in the same body that He created. Therefore He could not... God had to suffer temptation; He couldn't suffer temptation. He had to suffer sexual temptation. He had to suffer all kinds of temptation, to be tempted by the devil, in riches and powers and--and dominions, and so forth.
Brother, Elvis Presley will be there, and he will really be all shook up too, at that time if he don't repent. Arthur Godfrey will be there with all his little Godfrey's, blondes, brunettes, and so forth; it'll be a shaking time for him. All the hail Mary's in the world will never clean his guilty soul; it'll take the Blood of Christ. Such nonsense as that, that four or five psychiatrist trying to keep him a going. It takes the Blood of Jesus Christ to clean a man's soul. And the pollution and the souls... I might hurt your little pet idea now, your idol. This is a pulpit. Them kind of things is what's damning our nation. All the rock-and-rolls and boogly-woogly and all the other kind of stuff and nonsense the devil has placed into the hearts through such tommy-rot as that. God be merciful, let's get still once and get before God. They stood still, God was showing a picture of what Hewas going to do. God never asked a man to do anything that He wouldn't do. God made a way for man.
There's a way for every sinner in here that's sinned. Here it is. There is a fountain filled with Blood, Drawn veins, When sinners plunge beneath the flood, Lose all their guilty stains. Then you're a candidate to follow the Church of God on through this wilderness journey into the promised land. And our promised land is found in John 14. "Let not your hearts be troubled; if you believe in God, believe also in Me. For in My father's house there are many mansions. If it wasn't so, I would've told you. I go and prepare a place for you, and I will come again to receive you unto Myself." Isn't that marvelous, when I think of His love and compassion. "I will come, and I will receive you unto Myself," the love that He had. Sometimes I feel like the runaway slave. When Paul found him, he wrote back to his master, and he said, "Don't... Put all that he owes you, put it upon my bill, and I'll pay you when I come."
And then that Blood was drawed out of Immanuel's veins on Calvary's cross, and today has the same saving, redeeming, holy power that it did the day the transfusion was made out at Calvary. You believe it? Amen. Now, that's right. We're redeemed by the Blood of God. The Bible says we are bought by the Blood, and redeemed by God, God's Own Blood. How was it God's Blood? God has no Blood. How could it be? Because it was God's creative Blood that He created in order to redeem us, and came and lived in the same body that He created. Therefore He could not... God had to suffer temptation; He couldn't suffer temptation. He had to suffer sexual temptation. He had to suffer all kinds of temptation, to be tempted by the devil, in riches and powers and--and dominions, and so forth.