Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
Natural evil : e.g. Tsunamis, poisoness spiders, earthquakes, famines, etc.
Surely this disproves the existence of a benevolent creator?
Surely this disproves the existence of a benevolent creator?
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Natural evil
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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They suck for us, but isn't it anthropocentric to assume nature caters to our happiness? Houston is flooding, which sucks for us. However, isn't it possible the alligators were like, "Dear Lord, please give us something to eat" and God was like "Houston?".
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
Why do you think Jesus taught faith.
Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
Because he wanted people to follow him after he was gone.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
Because the devil is a bloody lion.
Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
Which creator is responsible for natural evil, God or Devil?
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Surely preternatural agency would be literally inconceivable.
Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
See opening post.
Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
Are you saying the tsunami in the Far East, a day after Christmas a good few years back, happened because of man?
None of those things are evil. "Evil" is an attribution - a quality you project onto nature. None of those things are, in of themselves, evil.
Natural evil does not exist. Evil itself doesn't exist, but staying on topic:
One example you put forward is "poisonous spiders". Why is that evil?? To the spider, it has been given a great gift, a means of hunting and feeding, and protecting itself from those who would do it harm. Surely, venom is a mark of benevolence!!
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Jellyfish were given no challenges, would you trade? Me neither
Sea turtles eat jellyfish like cotton candy. That is their challenge.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Nope. Because god is omnibenevolent and therefore incapable of doing anything bad, these things arise for our own good. It's just that we mere creatures of the flesh can't see the good. Hang in there; surely there'll be something of value to come from hurricane Harvey. Even if it's nothing more than higher sales of bottled water.
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Skwim
Veteran Member
As long as he gives us his definition of "natural evil" by using the examples, what is your problem? Oh I know, pedantry.
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Not if when you die, you move on to a better afterlife. Then living to 100 disproves a benevolent creator.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
It depends on whose instruction manual you are using, according to one of the Hebrews many books Isaiah 45:7 kind of covers it.
KJV: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
WEB: "I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create calamity. I am Yahweh, who does all these things."
YLT: "Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things."