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summia

Scriptural reader
That may be your understanding, summia, but it isn't mine.

It's entirely about Muhammad as far as I'm concerned.

To go into the details would be a book in itself, but I'm sure either I or Popeyesays could give it a try.


Look, these r Book of Revelation chapter 12,
Han!!!




Rev 12:1¶And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=2&version=KJV#2
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=2&version=KJV#2
Rev 12:2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.



Hey Booko!
plz think with cold mind!
It's about Jesus and Mary........
herez another verses.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/12/3.htmlhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=3&version=KJV#3http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=3&version=KJV#3
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=3&version=KJV#3http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=3&version=KJV#3
Rev 12:3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/12/4.htmlhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=4&version=KJV#4http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=4&version=KJV#4
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=4&version=KJV#4http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=4&version=KJV#4
Rev 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/12/5.htmlhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=5&version=KJV#5http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=5&version=KJV#5
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=5&version=KJV#5http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Rev&chapter=12&verse=5&version=KJV#5
Rev 12:5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.
 

summia

Scriptural reader
My scripture is not the Bible any more than yours is, though I do believe the Bible.
That's honest you hav spoke about u!
If ur source is not Bible then plz don't misunderstand about source of Christains,
therefore I said, i really recpect Taurah...
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
Muhammad isn't mentioned (except obliquely in the way that all 'prophets' to follow Christ are mentioned, and that isn't positive) for the same reason that people like Montanus, Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches and the like aren't mentioned. Just because you make a 'change in religion' doesn't necessarily mean it's good and just because a faith has a lot of adherents doesn't necessarily make it right. From the Christian point of view, Islam started life as a Christian heresy (see St. John of Damascus, for instance) and Muhammad, as a result, was a heresiarch. Would you expect to find Baha'ullah (who I would guess would be a similar figure with respect to Islam) in the Quran? If not, why expect to find Muhammad in the Bible?

James
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But still i hav a problem with, Why???
Why Bible didn't explain as Muhammad brouaght a big change in religion
I thought that
The Bible does not mention Muhammed because Muhammed is unimportant to either the Judaic or Christian world view.
was very clear. Neither Judaism or Christianity require a "big change" in order to have God adequately revealed.
 

summia

Scriptural reader
Moses prophesied about Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh.
In Deuteronomy 18:17-19, Moses pbuh prophesied:
"And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
The foretold prophet in this prophecy was not Jesus Christ pbuh, nor any other Israelite prophet, because none of them ever claimed to be the prophet promised here. We read in the Gospel of John (1:19-21) that in the time of Jesus, the Jews were expecting the advent of three prophets. Firstly Elias, secondly Christ, thirdly a prophet of such universal fame that in his case no other specification was thought necessary. "The Prophet" was enough to convey what was meant. Jesusclaimed to be the Christ and he regarded John the Baptist as Elias (Matthew 11:14, 17:10-13). Further, he prophesied about his second advent in the last days when true faith would disappear from the earth (Luke 18:8).
 

summia

Scriptural reader
Name of Muhammad pbuh in Hebrew Bible:

There is an important prophecy in the Song of Solomon (5:9-16).
In this prophecy, the one who is spoken of here is the beloved of God. One of the titles of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh is Habibullah -- the beloved one of God.

Secondly: "My beloved is white and ruddy". This was the color of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh,

Thirdly, "Chiefest among then thousands". We have already shown that Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh was at the head of ten thousand f ollowers at the time of the conquest of Mecca.

The fourth and most striking point in this prophecy is the name of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh in verse 16. It reads: "Yea, he is altogether lovely" in English Bible. In the Hebrew Bible, the word is "Muhammad-im".
(See Hebrew Bible printed for the British and Foreign Bible Society by Trowitzsch & Sons, Berlin, P. 1159)
 

summia

Scriptural reader
So, what next you all say to save the Bible, as Bible is not mentioned in the Bible at all....

I ask, why???

Why Word Bible is not mentioned in the Bible, and Look here also "Trinity" this word is not in the Bible, Why Why Why?????
 

summia

Scriptural reader
Listen!
It's not to speake of wrong about bible....
It's to speak of Truth about Bible.....

What a Bible is, infact
Bible = Changed Taurah + Changed Injeer

I ask to the supporter of Bible, Why you only prefer English bible to read, Although real Bible is in Hebrew?
 

Mary23

Member

ٱلَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ ٱلرَّسُولَ ٱلنَّبِيَّ ٱلأُمِّيَّ ٱلَّذِي يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوباً عِندَهُمْ فِي ٱلتَّوْرَاةِ وَٱلإِنْجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُم بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ ٱلْمُنْكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ ٱلطَّيِّبَاتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلْخَبَآئِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَٱلأَغْلاَلَ ٱلَّتِي كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ فَٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَٱتَّبَعُواْ ٱلنُّورَ ٱلَّذِيۤ أُنزِلَ مَعَهُ أُوْلَـٰئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُفْلِحُونَ


7:157. "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."



قُولُوۤاْ آمَنَّا بِٱللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَٱلأَسْبَاطِ وَمَآ أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَمَا أُوتِيَ ٱلنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ



2:136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
 

Mary23

Member
Now i will tell you summia what will be their next Mode!
Come on, i have been living with Christain community for a long while.

next they will
1) either drop your post
2) or they will aks to you "You have not quoted from real Bible"

And also there may be chances to say that " Who do you know Hebrew?":D
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
So, what next you all say to save the Bible, as Bible is not mentioned in the Bible at all....

I ask, why???

Why Word Bible is not mentioned in the Bible, and Look here also "Trinity" this word is not in the Bible, Why Why Why?????

Our word bible comes from a greek word (biblos) βίβλος which is used many times in the bible. Trinity is a name given by men to describe the doctrine in the bible of the Godhead. Just because the word trinity isn't there doesn't mean the doctrine it describes isn't there also, that is very poor reasoning. It's like we use the term hypostatic union - that isn't in the bible either but what it means clearly is.
 

summia

Scriptural reader
Trinity is a name given by men to describe the doctrine in the bible of the Godhead. Just because the word trinity isn't there doesn't mean the doctrine it describes isn't there also, that is very poor reasoning. It's like we use the term hypostatic union - that isn't in the bible either but what it means clearly is.
Is Bible mentioned about Trinity? And what is the scenario that present the doctrine? and who hav given the men an authority to put the doctrine?


What about other posts? I'm not asking what u comment for them!
I need to know from the authentic source! Bible.....
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
Is there any verse of Bible. can you post to support ur statement that I hav underlined?

every time the word book is used in the new testamant the original greek word for it is as posted: The english language borrows a lot from greek.

Here is one example from right at the end of the bible, [i'll insert in a parantheses the greek word where it is used:]

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book [biblos] of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book [biblos] of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book [biblion].
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
Is Bible mentioned about Trinity? And what is the scenario that present the doctrine? and who hav given the men an authority to put the doctrine?


The doctrine is not put in by men, they have no authority to do that. They are free however to use a word to describe a doctrine that they find present in the bible i.e the trinity of the Godhead. The TRi-UNITY becomes trinity it is a perfect word to describe this. It is simple the bible makes it clear that there is one God, the bible calls three different people God and even has God talking to God. Or God sending God, it is an inescapable conclusion either the bible and even single writers contradict themselves within sentences of each other or the Godhead is a plural oneness. That is why the Hebrew word echad is used of God in the old testament and not yachid it allows for a unity of persons. I.e Adam and Eve - "they twain shall become one [echad] flesh.
Hear O Israel the Lord [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is One [echad] Lord [Jehovah].
 

summia

Scriptural reader
every time the word book is used in the new testamant the original greek word for it is as posted: The english language borrows a lot from greek.

Here is one example from right at the end of the bible, [i'll insert in a parantheses the greek word where it is used:]

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book [biblos] of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book [biblos] of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book [biblion].
But Paul this word is not in the Bible!

I challenge!

Look! its my challenege, if it is true then bring the Hebrew verse on the post for Rev 22:19

Look! u can't make fool coz herez mary had a bible here (it is open before me). therez no word Bible in new KJV.
Go and buy and check.....
U will find the truth!
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
"Biblos" and "Biblion" do not translate as Bible, but rather "book" or "scroll." Simply because we named our Bible after that word does not make the original Greek change.

The Unveiling (Revelation) 22:19 (Concordant Literal New Testament)
And if ever anyone should be eliminating from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall be eliminating his part from the log of life, and out of the holy city, that is written in this scroll.
 

summia

Scriptural reader
Okay!
but word Bible is really not there!

What can be said about this proof!
Name of Muhammad pbuh in Hebrew Bible:

There is an important prophecy in the Song of Solomon (5:9-16).
In this prophecy, the one who is spoken of here is the beloved of God. One of the titles of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh is Habibullah -- the beloved one of God.

Secondly: "My beloved is white and ruddy". This was the color of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh,

Thirdly, "Chiefest among then thousands". We have already shown that Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh was at the head of ten thousand f ollowers at the time of the conquest of Mecca.

The fourth and most striking point in this prophecy is the name of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh in verse 16. It reads: "Yea, he is altogether lovely" in English Bible. In the Hebrew Bible, the word is "Muhammad-im".
(See Hebrew Bible printed for the British and Foreign Bible Society by Trowitzsch & Sons, Berlin, P. 1159)
 

kmkemp

Active Member
The Bible is a collection of writings that had not yet come together into a single source at the time that its components were still being created (the books). Why, then, summia, do you think that the Bible not being referenced within itself to be out of the ordinary? If we read a compilation of the late Augustine, should we be surprised that he doesn't mention the compilation? He was not writing the individual books with the foresight that they would be combined at a later date. However, that is not to say that they shouldn't be put together. If the Biblical authors were all inspired, then having all of the writings in one place (the Bible) is a great tool for us to discern spiritual truth. Even the authors within the Bible (unlike my Augustine example) refer to one another throughout. It is clear in scripture that they believe that the other's teachings were of God.
 
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