Netherlands limits freedom of religion for muslim citizens

[gsa]

It smells like nazi decisions to me.

This doesnt surprise me at all, cuz the Netherlands had always soft spot for nazism and hatred against minorities.

Cmon Dantas, the Netherlands were the first country to submit without any meaningful resistance against the Nazis. That shows they agreed with them.

And today we see Nazi ideology back in the politics of the Dutch. Wilders can rightfully be called Hitler of Holland, its just a matter of time before he grabs the power.


This partial ban on niqab has nothing to do with security and communication at all. They use these weak reasons to target muslims step by step.

Your sense of smell is as terrible as your understanding of history.

And as bad as Geert Wilders is, he does not support the military expansion of the Netherlands and the subjugation of newly conquered nations, to highlight but one major difference from the figure you decided to compare him to.

As for the ban itself, it is so limited in scope that it is hard to imagine what the objection is. From your linked article:

After the cabinet backed a bill by the interior minister, Ronald Plasterk, the government said in a statement on Friday: “Face-covering clothing will in future not be accepted in education and healthcare institutions, government buildings and on public transport.”

The ban would not apply to wearing the burqa or the niqab on the street, only for security reasons or “in specific situations where it is essential for people to be seen”, the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, told journalists after a cabinet meeting.

To be clear, bans on covering one's face in schools, hospitals and other public areas are fairly common, however annoying and unnecessary they are. This includes a number of US states. While it seems clear that this law is aimed at Islamic practices in spirit if not in the language of the law itself, there are plenty of areas where people should definitely not be permitted to conceal their faces, regardless of the religious practice: While providing testimony, on driver's licenses and when stopped by public authorities, while passing through security checkpoints and borders, perhaps while engaged in commercial transactions, particularly if there is heightened risk that this could be used to conceal one's identity to commit a crime.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Guys this partial ban is evidence of Netherlands's crusade on Islam. Iam surprised u dont see it.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

**** you, tell that to the citizens of Rotterdam.

U do realize insults doesnt effect me

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

This is so foolish it's hard to respond to. I suggest you read a little history, including the Arabic relationship with the Nazis.

I prefer to read how Dutch cooperated with their German cousins and how they snitched on the Jew. Clearly these cannot be denied.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Guys, i would love to read your comments when the Bigot Dutch Govt bans another islamic tradition. You sure know how to make excuses for the Dutch govt targetting muslims.


We are talking about a country that claims to be champions of human rights and defender of religious freedoms. Yet they force women not to wear Niqab, same time killers are roaming free in Holland, drugsrelated crimes increases. But the Monsterous and dangerous niqabis must be stopped!


The same country that snitched on Jews, that celebrates a racist tradition called Black Pete. A country that supports every crime of the zionists. Indeed they are champions of all rights!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

U do realize insults doesnt effect me

Nor, too, rational discourse. It leads one to wonder.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I prefer to read how Dutch cooperated with their German cousins and how they snitched on the Jew. Clearly these cannot be denied.

You mean they collaborated with the Grand Mufti! OMG!

 

[dust1n]

Ugh, does there really need to be Nazis in every conversation?

 

[Nietzsche]

U do realize insults doesnt effect me

It wasn't an insult. An insult would be pointing out how ignorant you are about everything, how you're a master at making baseless retarded assumptions, and just how ****ing dumb you must invariably be regarding every topic known to man. Or how you bring up the Nazis when a country just wants to be able to see the faces of people in certain areas. Know something the Nazis did do? They didn't think women should earn the wages of a man. Or be anything more than baby factories. You know, like Saudi Arabia.

I prefer to read how Dutch cooperated with their German cousins and how they snitched on the Jew. Clearly these cannot be denied.

I'm waiting for you to give me a number. Now, see, I know how many Nederlanders, Friezens & Vlamingens fought for the Reich. But I want to see how little you know, so please, sources?

While you do that, here are the numbers of Muslims who fought for das Reich;

Handzar(Balkan Muslims, SS) 26-27,000
Skanderbeg(Albanian Muslims, SS) 6,500
Central Asian Turks 70,000
Crimean Tatars 20,000
Azerbaidjanis 70,000
Algerians, Tunisians & Moroccans 3,000
Volga Tatars 12,500

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that totals out tooooo...;

209,000

Good job.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

@Servant_of_the_One1 ...just my opinion on this.

There is an interesting topic here somewhere, I think.
Positioning this as anti-Islamic is not the way to have it addressed though, for the simple reason that people are many people (including myself) are not interested in laws or protections for religion, but instead want religion treated the same as anything else, legally. All you'll be doing is preaching to the (Islamic) choir.

A more effective way of promoting discussion, and getting your point across is to tackle this as a freedom of dress, and the rights of the government to impose dress codes on their population.

Unsolicited advice, obviously, so feel free to ignore. I just find people's messaging interesting. Makes up way too much of my job/life.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

It wasn't an insult. An insult would be pointing out how ignorant you are about everything, how you're a master at making baseless retarded assumptions, and just how ****ing dumb you must invariably be regarding every topic known to man. Or how you bring up the Nazis when a country just wants to be able to see the faces of people in certain areas. Know something the Nazis did do? They didn't think women should earn the wages of a man. Or be anything more than baby factories. You know, like Saudi Arabia.


I'm waiting for you to give me a number. Now, see, I know how many Nederlanders, Friezens & Vlamingens fought for the Reich. But I want to see how little you know, so please, sources?

While you do that, here are the numbers of Muslims who fought for das Reich;

Handzar(Balkan Muslims, SS) 26-27,000
Skanderbeg(Albanian Muslims, SS) 6,500
Central Asian Turks 70,000
Crimean Tatars 20,000
Azerbaidjanis 70,000
Algerians, Tunisians & Moroccans 3,000
Volga Tatars 12,500

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that totals out tooooo...;

209,000

Good job.

Dont die from stress oldman!

I know my opinions annoys you lol

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

@Servant_of_the_One1 ...just my opinion on this.

There is an interesting topic here somewhere, I think.
Positioning this as anti-Islamic is not the way to have it addressed though, for the simple reason that people are many people (including myself) are not interested in laws or protections for religion, but instead want religion treated the same as anything else, legally. All you'll be doing is preaching to the (Islamic) choir.

A more effective way of promoting discussion, and getting your point across is to tackle this as a freedom of dress, and the rights of the government to impose dress codes on their population.

Unsolicited advice, obviously, so feel free to ignore. I just find people's messaging interesting. Makes up way too much of my job/life.

Thanks.

I have relative who lives in Netherlands. So the fact that i base this anti-niqab law as an attack against islam is because my relative who lives there told me how strong and powerful hatred against muslims is in that country. When u have a hatepreacher such as Wilders in the parliament influencing the prime minister than obviously there will be anti-islam laws.


Every action has reaction. So the Dutch can expect economy boycot from the gulfstates and other muslim countries if they continue on this dangerous path.

 

[LuisDantas]

Guys this partial ban is evidence of Netherlands's crusade on Islam. Iam surprised u dont see it.

You will remain surprised, I gather.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not buying that tired song of the "crusade on Islam". Certainly not on the basis of a decision to make people show their faces.

I suppose it is not reasonable to expect people who have grown up among Islamic teachings and have for all their lives expected Islam to be protected from any dissent or challenge to be at peace with secularism.

It is too bad. Because secularism is worth pursuing, while Islam apparently can't even stand on its own merits.

 

[gsa]

Thanks.

I have relative who lives in Netherlands. So the fact that i base this anti-niqab law as an attack against islam is because my relative who lives there told me how strong and powerful hatred against muslims is in that country. When u have a hatepreacher such as Wilders in the parliament influencing the prime minister than obviously there will be anti-islam laws.


Every action has reaction. So the Dutch can expect economy boycot from the gulfstates and other muslim countries if they continue on this dangerous path.

Yes, every action has a reaction. The Netherlands is one of the most tolerant countries on the face of the planet. Naturally, religious fundamentalism represents a serious challenge to that tolerance. So far they've yet to take any significant steps against religious extremism.

The fact that you are holding up the gulf states as some guarantor of human rights says it all I think.

 

[Nietzsche]

Dont die from stress oldman!

I know my opinions annoys you lol

An opinion is liking Chocolate Icecream more than all others.

You do not have opinions. You screech like a *******, and hat's about it. Oh, you also utterly fail at actually reading articles you post. But hat's hradly surprising. However, I am astounded you can read at all.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

An opinion is liking Chocolate Icecream more than all others.

You do not have opinions. You screech like a *******, and hat's about it. Oh, you also utterly fail at actually reading articles you post. But hat's hradly surprising. However, I am astounded you can read at all.

Becareful with the blood pressure!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

An opinion is liking Chocolate Icecream more than all others.

No, that's a fact.

 

[Wirey]

I prefer to read how Dutch cooperated with their German cousins and how they snitched on the Jew. Clearly these cannot be denied.

Dutch resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Couldn't find an 'Arab Resistance to the Nazis' anywhere. Clearly this cannot be denied.

 

[LuisDantas]

Dutch resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Couldn't find an 'Arab Resistance to the Nazis' anywhere. Clearly this cannot be denied.

I'm sure you will find someone who will claim that Muslims were oppressed during WW2 and expect that claim to magically resolve everything, no evidence needed.

It has become something of a cliche.

 

[Wirey]

I'm sure you will find someone who will claim that Muslims were oppressed during WW2 and expect that claim to magically resolve everything, no evidence needed.

It has become something of a cliche.

That would be an interesting claim.