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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Then, why the Shanmata?
"Shanmata is the system of worship, believed by the Smarta tradition to have been founded by Adi Shankara, the 8th century CEHindu philosopher. It centers around the worship of the six main deities of Hinduism, viz, Shiva, Vishnu, Shakti, Ganesha, Surya and Skanda."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanmata
 
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Kirran

Premium Member
This is of course purely conjecture, but I imagine that if Shankara were here to comment today, he'd be OK with people worshipping deities from widely disparate religious traditions including Abrahamic and Western pagan faiths.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The fact that he accepted worship of many deities would have excluded the exclusivist monotheist deities. That is why one finds Madhva against Sankara. Differences are not acceptable in 'Advaita'.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
The fact that he accepted worship of many deities would have excluded the exclusivist monotheist deities. That is why one finds Madhva against Sankara. Differences are not acceptable in 'Advaita'.

That is fair. But there are those who worship Yahweh and Christ in an inclusive manner. I've observed it! :)
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
Then, why the Shanmata?
"Shanmata is the system of worship, believed by the Smarta tradition to have been founded by Adi Shankara, the 8th century CEHindu philosopher. It centers around the worship of the six main deities of Hinduism, viz, Shiva, Vishnu, Shakti, Ganesha, Surya and Skanda."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanmata
Shanmata is not found by REAL Adi Shankara....Stop quoting from crapedia.
The Real ADI SHANKARA was born around 500 BC
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
This is of course purely conjecture, but I imagine that if Shankara were here to comment today, he'd be OK with people worshipping deities from widely disparate religious traditions including Abrahamic and Western pagan faiths.
Oh god JUST NO! The real Adi Shankara will feel sad that his history was byfar most corrupted!
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I have not come across many such.

I understand that. But I have seen puja given to Jesus and the Virgin Mary along with Lord Murugan, Siva and Ganesha, in a temple to Lord Murugan. Or Lord Kartikeya, for a northerner such as yourself :)
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The Real ADI SHANKARA was born around 500 BC
Got any proof? Wikipedia does not mind an edit provided you have the proof.
I understand that. But I have seen puja given to Jesus and the Virgin Mary along with Lord Murugan, Siva and Ganesha, in a temple to Lord Murugan. Or Lord Kartikeya, for a northerner such as yourself :)
I am not in favor of such mixups. Let the Jesus worshipers worship Jesus and the Hindu worshipers worship their Gods and Goddesses. That is the reason I do not like Ramakrishna Paramhansa's idea. There are limitations at pragmatic level, though it is different at the absolute level. I have said it many times that Jesus, Mohammad, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Osama and even Baghdadi are none other than Brahman.
 
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kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
Got any proof? Wikipedia does not mind an edit provided you have the proof.I am not in favor of such mixups. Let the Jesus worshipers worship Jesus and the Hindu worshipers worship their Gods and Goddesses. That is the reason I do not like Ramakrishna Paramhansa's idea. There are limitations at pragmatic level, though it is different at the absolute level. I have said it many times that Jesus, Mohammad, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Osama and even Baghdadi are none other than Brahman.
I understand that. But I have seen puja given to Jesus and the Virgin Mary along with Lord Murugan, Siva and Ganesha, in a temple to Lord Murugan. Or Lord Kartikeya, for a northerner such as yourself :)
dont bring jesus or whoever he is in a 'DIR' forum.....I am sure it against the rules.

My one post in christian dir was deleted as it the post was explained from vedic perspective.
on a related note people who treat 'Sri Krushna' as equal to other much less than disputed ordinary human beings are called 'NARA ADHAMAS' as per BG.
Nara adhamas translated means 'lowest Literal FOOLS', now we can decide who we are based on that :D
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
Shanmata is not found by REAL Adi Shankara....Stop quoting from crapedia.
The Real ADI SHANKARA was born around 500 BC

:)

Awesome! This puts all your previous posts in perspective.

You should enlighten the world, including academia and the Sringeri Math, because they are pretty certain that Shankara lived during the 8th century CE.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
on a related note people who treat 'Sri Krushna' as equal to other much less than disputed ordinary human beings are called 'NARA ADHAMAS' as per BG. Nara adhamas translated means 'lowest Literal FOOLS', now we can decide who we are based on that :D
BG is a Vaishnava scripture, part of Srimad Bhagwatham. There are other books which will say different things and people who will believe different things. This is Hinduism, don't start calling people names, that too is against the rules of this DIR - Naradhams, demons, fools, I do not know who is who.
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
:)

Awesome! This puts all your previous posts in perspective.

You should enlighten the world, including academia and the Sringeri Math, because they are pretty certain that Shankara lived during the 8th century CE.
They work as what their western historians teach them, still the slave mindset! The western historians just push the dates of many of our bharatiyas so that they can fit in to say their philosophy came first. They conveniently pushed the dates of many numerous bharatiya scientists like Aryabhatta. Westerners have no inventions until they came in contact with Bharat, all western inventions happened miraculously when they made contact with Bharat....how ?

There is an epigraphic evidence supporting the date of 509 B.C.E. for Shankara birth. This is a copper plate inscription addressed to ˛Adi Shankara by King Sudhanvan of Dwaraka, dated
2663 of the Yudhisthira era, corresponding to 477 B.C.E., the year of ˛Shankara’s death. Since ˛Shankara died at the age of 32,this places his birth in 509 B.C.E.

adiyen Ramanuja Daasa
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
They work as what their western historians teach them, still the slave mindset!

Shankara appointed Sureshwara as the first pontiff of the Sringeri Matha. Since then, the Matha has had an unbroken chain of pontiffs and a full record of their names and times is available. Westerners had nothing to do with it at all.

There is an epigraphic evidence supporting the date of 509 B.C.E. for Shankara birth.

No, there is not. That is a completely bogus claim.

This and other statements you have made, display a high degree of ignorance in matters of basic history. It would serve you well to get your facts right before you post - if you wish to be taken seriously.
 

Chakra

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If you are implying that Shankara endorsed a hierarchy of Gods (as the Vaishnavas do), then that is incorrect. Nowhere, in his literature does he support the notion of a hierarchy of Gods nor do other scholars in his line.

Well, generally I would not post here, but since this was addressed personally to me, I guess it was important to reply.

There is a lot of evidence that shows Adi Shankara and his immediate followers were Vaishnavas. Here is a couple of them...

1) Brihadaranyaka Upanishad bhAShya, 3.7.3

Adi Shankara says "Such an Ishvara (Supreme Lord), called Narayana, who controls the deity of the earth, i.e. directs her to her particular work, from within, is the Internal Ruler about whom you have asked, your own immortal self, as also mine and that of all beings."

2) Brihadarankyaka Upanishad Bhasya, 1.4.11

Adi Shankara agrees with the Upanishad that Indra, Varuna, Chandra, Rudra, Yama etc were all created by Brahman as kshatriyas. (http://www.upanishads.kenjaques.org.uk/Brihadaranyaka_Upanishad_Chapter_One.html)

3) Brahma Sutra Bhasya 2.2.42

Here Adi Shankara agrees with the Pancharatra (a scripture that is vehemently Vaishnava and rejects all notions that any other deity is on par with Narayana) that Vishnu is the Supreme Soul and eka bhakti is to be glorified by Vedantins like him.

4) Take a look at Bhagavad Gita verses 10.14, 10.8, 10.2, 10.3 (all of which can be found here- http://www.sankaracharya.org/gita_bhashya_10.php) All talk about how devas like Brahma cannot understand Krishna.

5) Bhagavad Gita 9.25

Here Krishna is saying that his worshipers (and Adi Shankara specifically uses the word Vaishnavas to refer to Vishnu's devotees) get the eternal fruit of liberation whereas the devotees of other gods do not. Clearly a hierarchy is established.

6) Bhagavad Gita 7.19-20 and 7.23, as well as 6.47

Here Shankara says that the ignorant worship "inferior gods" (that is what Mahadeva Alladi Shastri translated it to) and says that people with true knowledge worship Vasudeva as the lord of all sacrifices.

Honestly the entire Bhagavad Gita bhasya can be used as evidence to show that Shankara was a Vaishnava, but I have picked a couple that I wanted to bring your attention to. There may be many more verses that I have overlooked.

7) The entire Vishnu Sahasranamam bhashya has Shankara praising Vishnu as the lord of all creatures, the supreme soul as well as the soul of all. This one needs no explanation as it will refer to Vishnu as the supreme at all points.

8) In my next post I will talk about the successors of Shankara, namely Sureshvara, Sarvajatman, Madhusudhana Sarasvati, Sridhara Swami etc. They were Vaishnavas too.



I am seeing some attempts to project Shankara as a Vaishnava

Well, you are right. Of course, the 8 points I mentioned are a very small amount of evidence that I have gathered by reading from various sources. I have not read all of Shankara's works and thus there is much more evidence to be found. This should be good enough for now. Apologies to anyone I may have offended while writing this post; I have nothing against Shaivas or Advaitins.
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
^^axlyz that should do it ;) But you know Karma is driving force of how any individual can be...Some just choose to live in denial
 

kalyan

Aspiring Sri VaishNava
Shankara appointed Sureshwara as the first pontiff of the Sringeri Matha. Since then, the Matha has had an unbroken chain of pontiffs and a full record of their names and times is available. Westerners had nothing to do with it at all.



No, there is not. That is a completely bogus claim.

This and other statements you have made, display a high degree of ignorance in matters of basic history. It would serve you well to get your facts right before you post - if you wish to be taken seriously.
This is not an evidence at all....This is a fake lineage created..Britishers have every possible reason to push the dates further to fit in their little theories like aryan invasion and as i mentioned before to fit in their inventions.
Shankara appointed Sureshwara as the first pontiff of the Sringeri Matha. Since then, the Matha has had an unbroken chain of pontiffs and a full record of their names and times is available. Westerners had nothing to do with it at all.



No, there is not. That is a completely bogus claim.

This and other statements you have made, display a high degree of ignorance in matters of basic history. It would serve you well to get your facts right before you post - if you wish to be taken seriously.
Likewise.this is no evidence at all but just a fake lineage which i can create too by adding few more here and there i cant believe you quoted a lineage ha...You have not done an inch of research to further your claim...You believe in the max mueller darling written history....Britishers have every darn reason to push the dates to fit in their little theories like aryan invasion and their false inventions. Who invented or brought out binary numbers calculus trigonometry numeral system not just zero pythogoras theorwm fibonacci series n many more....answer is all bharatiyas but others who copied were attributed the names.pray!..

The Shankara was born in 509 BC..the one in 8th century is abhinava shankaracharya and a fake one
Adi Shankaracharya was born on the 15th year of the reign of Vikramaditya, emanated from no other source other than the Shringeri Math itself. Do some analytical research instead of just quoting from internet
 
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