New Hampshire Voting Problem?

[metis]

Let's not kid ourselves here: over 20 states, run mostly by Republicans, have passed laws that are geared at voter suppression of certain groups, and there's been at least two cases that I'm aware of whereas a Republican politician even admitted as such.

If these laws were simply meant for the purpose of making sure everyone was legally registered, then we wouldn't see all the Republican-passed laws that go well beyond just doing that. On top of this, if there was any hardships anticipated someone being dropped who is eligible, it is a rather easy fix to make it more convenient for that to be done, which the Republicans haven't done by and large.

Some of these new regulations have already been declared unconstitutional, and since most of the Republican politicians who passed them were previously lawyers, I don't think them saying "Well, we didn't know" would sail.

 

[averageJOE]

Ok, the question of time and money being spent of curtailing voter fraud has be brought forward. Very simple solution, make everyone voting abide by the same identification rules for boarding an airline. All states must comply with the new federal guidelines, It is called Real ID and it went into effect this year.. What's your excuses now?

The fact that you can still buy a plane ticket and actually board a plane without an ID for one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ok, the question of time and money being spent of curtailing voter fraud has be brought forward. Very simple solution, make everyone voting abide by the same identification rules for boarding an airline.

Airline standards aren't exactly great.

What is your problem with requiring picture ID, other than the liberal rhetoric that it is too hard for the poor to get ID. I throwing the bull**** card on this on. If they can go vote then they can go get the correct ID.

If you require a photo ID, then it effectively cuts off huge swathes of Amish, Mennonite, and some other groups who do not have any photo ID from being able to vote.

 

[metis]

The fact that you can still buy a plane ticket and actually board a plane without an ID for one.

Yep, and isn't it bizarre that so many on the right want very strict voter registration guidelines but don't want the same when it comes to gun registration, such as closing the gun-show and internet-purchasing loopholes, private selling of guns from person to person, etc. Just a tad hypocritical, I would say.

I have no problem with having strict laws on either of these items but only ask that they are put forth in a manner whereas people can be helped if inconvenienced because of age or health or demographics.

 

[esmith]

The fact that you can still buy a plane ticket and actually board a plane without an ID for one.

Don't know where you have been but you are basically wrong:
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification

 

[Revoltingest]

The fact that you can still buy a plane ticket and actually board a plane without an ID for one.

Not only do I need an ID such as a driver license or passport,
but I also use Global Entry to avoid being molested by TSA.

 

[averageJOE]

Don't know where you have been but you are basically wrong:
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification

Sorry, but you are the one who is wrong here. Read your own link: "In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete a form to include your name and current address, and may ask additional questions to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint. You may be subject to additional screening."

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry, but you are the one who is wrong here. Read your own link: "In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete a form to include your name and current address, and may ask additional questions to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint. You may be subject to additional screening."

What you describe is effectively "ID", & it sounds even more thorough vetting than just presenting a driver license.
And even having ordinary ID still results in machine scanning, & perhaps something more invasive.
To avoid the worst of that (most of the time) requires additional (about $100) identification, eg, Global Entry.
To fly is to undergo a whole lotta scrutiny.

 

[esmith]

Sorry, but you are the one who is wrong here. Read your own link: "In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete a form to include your name and current address, and may ask additional questions to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint. You may be subject to additional screening."

Ok, without photo Id you have to purchase a airline ticket, go to the airport, go through security, and board the aircraft. After that come back and let us know how it went.. Then you might have a point.

 

[averageJOE]

Ok, without photo Id you have to purchase a airline ticket, go to the airport, go through security, and board the aircraft. After that come back and let us know how it went.. Then you might have a point.

I have a federal job that has me spend lots of time in the airport, working with FAA, TSA, and air marshals. I know the process. A passenger not having an ID is a daily occurrence. Believe it or not, but It's easier for someone who doesn't have ID to get through security than it is for a woman who's last name is different on the boarding pass than the ID because of a recent marriage.

 

[averageJOE]

What you describe is effectively "ID", & it sounds even more thorough vetting than just presenting a driver license.
And even having ordinary ID still results in machine scanning, & perhaps something more invasive.
To avoid the worst of that (most of the time) requires additional (about $100) identification, eg, Global Entry.
To fly is to undergo a whole lotta scrutiny.

And you would be correct on all of that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What you describe is effectively "ID", & it sounds even more thorough vetting than just presenting a driver license.
And even having ordinary ID still results in machine scanning, & perhaps something more invasive.
To avoid the worst of that (most of the time) requires additional (about $100) identification, eg, Global Entry.
To fly is to undergo a whole lotta scrutiny.

Except, in the event of voter fraud, the perpetrator has already gone through the process of memorizing things such address, social security number, and anything else that may potentially be asked to confirm your ID. I really appreciate your comment ealier on another thread saying I don't seem like the criminal type, but I'd have a very long sheet if I had been caught for every crime committed (and not just illegally downloading music or smoking pot).
If someone is hellbound on throwing an election, they have thought at least, at the very minimum, a few steps ahead of "Real ID." If they want to throw an election, ****, that ain't no problem. Even here in the country, where we may not know those famous fashion designers, we know how to make a fake ID. We aren't worried about police, we aren't worried about being harassed.
But, unlike typical criminal behaviors, with voting, even without having to show your ID your name is processed through a database, would be difficult. In a smaller place like where I live, where normal criminal statistics would be an advantage, it's actually a major disadvantage are virtually impossible to get away with. But even in larger population areas, where there is bound to be far more registered voters than those who actually show up to vote, a few votes can be dismissed, but any more than a few abnormalities in what is statistically predicted will automatically raise red flags, because this more than a few directly translates - even without photo ID - people demanding they haven't actually voted yet even though they have been checked or crossed of the list of registered voters. I've gotten away with some real **** when I was younger, but throwing an election is a very massive goal, it would take an extremely large pool of people you can actually trust (and I mean really trust, such as in my comment about friends and very good friends in the zombie apocalypse - and they are very few and far between to begin with), a ton of planning, and tons and tons of securing minimal chances of being caught.
From my own personal experiences and history, it would be far easier to throw an election just by lying about the cops, or the Klan, or the Panthers, or whoever being present at voting precincts is much more effective and far more less likely to be discovered and thus resulting in your reputation being crucified and burned at the stake.
Personally, If I wanted to throw an election, I wouldn't make legal threats because those are statistically unlikely to follow through. I would make it very personal, very threatening, and have it done in a way that makes it hard to follow, and simply impossible to trace to a political official or decision. What sounds easier to believe? The Senators made it harder to vote, or the ****in' Klan threatened to beat my ***? That is how to throw an election. And even then, the media is all over that! Simply put, anyone that could effectively throw an election isn't really worried about because they are already operating at such a level above "legality/illegality" that they don't care. It doesn't matter to them who their next "Senator" or "President" is because they are going to keep doing the same stuff as always, and rigging elections probably isn't in their plans. (not unless they wanted to push to make organized crime legal, which is extremely unlikely)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I also think we should resort to nothing but paper ballots (even if they have to be made from elephant dung, which is very possible), make the voting instructions very and extremely clear, and invite anyone and everyone who lives here to vote.

 

[averageJOE]

A comedic, but true, take on the subject: