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Doktor

Doktor

Metal head!
Hi everybody

And thanks for all the awesome post for open discussions, have been reading allot in here before i registered.

Im a firm non-believer, and i think that religion unfortunately does and indeed have done more bad to our world than it solves.

So here i am to find new views and to hear what all this fuzz about god is...:D

But first i quick introduction to the way things go down where i am born...... The thread starts in Religious debates titled: "i Wish my country was different"

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/86498-i-wish-my-country-different.html
 
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jkb

New Member
I don't think that religion has caused more evil in the world, but evil people have missused religion for evil puposes. That is why it is important to read scriptures for yourself. I try to read scriptures every day and it makes me want to do more to help others in the world.
 
Doktor

Doktor

Metal head!
jkb said:
I don't think that religion has caused more evil in the world, but evil people have missused religion for evil puposes. That is why it is important to read scriptures for yourself. I try to read scriptures every day and it makes me want to do more to help others in the world.
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I believe that people has been fuelled by their religious beliefs. And has committed horrible acts judging with their religion.

The Anglo Spanish war is a great example, so is 9/11, IMO.
 
Madhuri

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Doktor said:
I believe that people has been fuelled by their religious beliefs. And has committed horrible acts judging with their religion.

The Anglo Spanish war is a great example, so is 9/11, IMO.
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These things are hardly ever based on religion. There's usually a greater plitical motive behind it all. 9/11 was much mroe to do with hostorical factors, the affects of war and suffering. Religion is usually the surface excuse used but not the real reason (in many cases).
 
Doktor

Doktor

Metal head!
"in many cases"

i like that part...;)

true, but still you will have to admit historically that murder in the name of "god" (whatever your god is) is a pretty undeniable thing........????
 
Madhuri

Madhuri

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Staff member
Premium Member
Doktor said:
"in many cases"

i like that part...;)

true, but still you will have to admit historically that murder in the name of "god" (whatever your god is) is a pretty undeniable thing........????
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Absolutely. But I don't blame religion alltogether for it. I think it's part of human nature to defend their identity and way of life. People become violent when they feel threatened in some way. If it wasn't religion it owuld be something else, and often is. But I do agree that certain religions can encourage intolerance of others.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Doktor said:
Hi everybody

And thanks for all the awesome post for open discussions, have been reading allot in here before i registered.

Im a firm non-believer, and i think that religion unfortunately does and indeed have done more bad to our world than it solves.
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You might find the verse at Matthew (23:35) to be of interest because there Jesus is talking about the religious leaders and saying all the righteous blood shed goes back to the blood of Abel because of those like them. Revelation equates the religious 'queen' of Rev (18:7) as representing world-wide religion that has run amok in playing false to God, and because of that as verse 24 concludes that in her such blood guilty religion is found the blood of prophets, saints, and 'all that were slain upon the earth'.

The political 'kings' or rulers of the earth (Rev 17:2) will turn on the false religious 'queen' and even the business world will not come to her aid.
-Rev. 18:11-19. The political world may even think this will solve problems and protect their sovereignty.
 
Amill

Amill

Apikoros
While I dislike picking out atrocities to try and villainize religion, I'd have to disagree about 9/11. As far as I can tell, religion had plenty to do with 9/11. Even if you blame the 9/11 attacks on such factors as US involvement in Israel, wouldn't that still stem from religion? Or if you blame Bin Laden's hate on the fact that Sauidi Arabia chose US troops over his holy warriors, it still involves religion because he felt only holy warriors should guard holy sites. Even if religion wasn't the prime motivator it was still used as a tool used on many of the terrorists and planners involved.
 
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Madhuri

Madhuri

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Amill said:
Religion had a lot to do with 9/11. Unless you guys buy into that stuff about how they were attacking America because of their freedom.
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History and politics had a lot more to do with it. The attacks weren't against Christians, they were against Americans.
 
Bismillah

Bismillah

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While I dislike picking out atrocities to try and villainize religion, I'd have to disagree about 9/11. As far as I can tell, religion had plenty to do with 9/11. Even if you blame the 9/11 attacks on such factors as US involvement in Israel, wouldn't that still stem from religion? Or if you blame Bin Laden's hate on the fact that Sauidi Arabia chose US troops over his holy warriors, it still involves religion because he felt only holy warriors should guard holy sites. Even if religion wasn't the prime motivator it was still used as a tool used on many of the terrorists and planners involved.
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It was an attack on the politics of America, not the religion/s of America.
 
Amill

Amill

Apikoros
These "political" issues with America still have plenty to do with religion, whether it be Omar Abdel-Rahman's(one of the masterminds behind taking down WTC, tried to in 93) issue with America corrupting Egypt with secularism, America's involvement with Israel, or Osama getting rejected from guarding holy land in Saudi Arabia. Or Bin Laden's mentor Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, a Palestinian who saw Israel take over his town in the 6 day war.

It's all intertwined in religion, whether part of the motivation or part of the tools used to sway young recruits. I don't hold America to be innocent at all in 9/11. I think we bring a lot of things onto ourselves. I don't even blame 9/11 on Islam, but I definitely do think that the motivation was both political and religious.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1562271686023954226#
 
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Bismillah

Bismillah

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The hijackers were not pious Muslims. After their murderous attacks it is certain they were not Muslims. If they were not religious then their attacks cannot be categorized as acts to justify religious means. They were attacks against U.S policies.

Previous protests in Egypt etc. etc. don't have anything to do with 9/11, the topic on hand.
 
Amill

Amill

Apikoros
Just because you don't classify them as muslims that doesn't mean they weren't religious. I don't care what they are classified as. I don't care if it was a corrupted form of islam that would be a disgrace to Allah, I think religion played a part in the motivation and was involved with these political issues. I'm not even blaming all of this on the hijackers, ideas about bombing and bringing down the world trade center started long before 2001, with the first attempt in 93.
 
Bismillah

Bismillah

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They were not Muslims, they did not abide by the rules of Islam. Atta smoked and had Buddhist statues in his apartment. He drank alcohol and was dating. His attacks were not justified by religion because he wasn't religious.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What did they think or believe would be the purpose or reward or benefit by killing themselves and others on 9/11?
 
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