New Ohio law allows students to be scientifically wrong.

[dad]

I didn't claim such a thing.

Science does...example...they claim the universe unfolded from a little hot soup that unfolded from heaven knows where. They claim life unfolded from some little lifeform that made it's little self, that also came from heaven knows where. So they attribute life and the universe to nature basically.

 

[dad]

Why do you single out life, by the way, out of all the wonders of nature. Why does your version of religion consider life unique in this way?

You feel you are not unique? There should be counseling for so called science victims, who were degraded and insulted for so long I guess.

 

[cladking]

Science does...example...they claim the universe unfolded from a little hot soup that unfolded from heaven knows where. They claim life unfolded from some little lifeform that made it's little self, that also came from heaven knows where. So they attribute life and the universe to nature basically.

That's why the terms 'natural law" and 'scientific law" are used interchangeably. Nature is "magic" according to most believers in science and they tend to believe it works through "magic". Of course what really makes science work is metaphysics and ironically most of them believe 'metaphysics" means "magic".

Science is great for answering simple questions and generating technology but anyone who thinks that it's a good formatting for life is dangerously mistaken. This belief is especially dangerous for many individuals who need an anchor to morality and the kind of behavior that allows the smooth operation of society and day to day life. Part of the reason for the failure of institutions, massive corruption, and the general jumping of the shark is that millions of individuals now have no moral compass and it was replaced by greed or hedonism.

Humans operate on their beliefs. Children are well advised to be careful what they choose to believe.

 

[exchemist]

One week soup of the day science says coffee will kill you and the next week it says it is highly beneficial.

Most science now days is a type of "Look and See Science" I call "soup of the day science".

Look and see Science is always wrong even when it's right. Real science can only be based on proper experiment and not the opinion of Peers.

No, it doesn't at all. You may have seen newspapers reports saying that, but that is not what science is saying. You know, newspaper thrive on "news", i.e. what they can represent as a change in situations or thinking. Most of it, especially regarding diet, is hogwash. Thy pick up the latest research finding and exaggerate it beyond belief. Almost every article in the media I have read about science, when I have known the subject matter, has been misleading in some respect - and sometimes completely wrong. So if this is the level of understanding you are operating at, I'm not surprised you think science contradicts itself.

 

[exchemist]

You feel you are not unique? There should be counseling for so called science victims, who were degraded and insulted for so long I guess.

Come on, answer the question, don't introduce silly red herrings about me. Every rock is unique too. I'm serious. I really have never understood why creationists fix on life, in particular, out of everything in creation, as requiring divine intervention in the processes of nature. What's so special about life?

 

[dad]

That's why the terms 'natural law" and 'scientific law" are used interchangeably. Nature is "magic" according to most believers in science and they tend to believe it works through "magic". Of course what really makes science work is metaphysics and ironically most of them believe 'metaphysics" means "magic".

Science is great for answering simple questions and generating technology but anyone who thinks that it's a good formatting for life is dangerously mistaken. This belief is especially dangerous for many individuals who need an anchor to morality and the kind of behavior that allows the smooth operation of society and day to day life. Part of the reason for the failure of institutions, massive corruption, and the general jumping of the shark is that millions of individuals now have no moral compass and it was replaced by greed or hedonism.

Humans operate on their beliefs. Children are well advised to be careful what they choose to believe.

OK

 

[dad]

Come on, answer the question, don't introduce silly red herrings about me. Every rock is unique too. I'm serious. I really have never understood why creationists fix on life, in particular, out of everything in creation, as requiring divine intervention in the processes of nature. What's so special about life?

That seems to delve into philosophical questions...'meaning of life' etc. I kinda think life is special. Beats being a rock. But I guess we all have opinions.

 

[ecco]

No! science is not saying that.
There is speculation. No one is flatly asserting that everything emerged from nothing; a point.

Of course they are saying that.

Show us. Don't tap dance. Don't duck and dodge. Not from Popular Mechanics. Actual Physicists.

 

[ecco]

Imagine that if two objects existed they could occupy no space or the same space.

This is magic and there aren't even any hypotheses about how any of this could be or have originated.

Yeah. It's the kind of magic people like you come up with because you are ignorant of actual science.

 

[ecco]

I dismiss neither science nor religion. Science is correct by definition within its own metaphysics and religion is a confusion of ancient science. Neither need be dismissed and both are correct within given parameters.

Asserting that "Science is correct by definition within its own metaphysics " shows your dismissiveness and ignorance of science.

Asserting that "both [religion and science] are correct within given parameters" is nonsensical.

 

[ecco]

Every word means what the speaker intends it to mean and is interpreted as the listener understands the definition and context.

Communication always fails by definition. (see what I did there)

Yeah. I see you have an ability to try to sidestep issues through the use of incoherent posts.

 

[ecco]

There are no "laws of nature".
...
You are extrapolating our primitive experimental results in ways that are inconsistent with what is currently known.

Where in the world do you get these nonsensical ideas from?

And you believe all the important questions are already answered.

Why are you having a hard time keeping track of the conversation?

What does your assertion...

You are extrapolating our primitive experimental results in ways that are inconsistent with what is currently known​

...have to do with my beliefs about "all important questions"?

 

[ecco]

It's getting harder and harder to try to make sense of anything you write.

Why don't you tell me specifically what you don't understand?

See my posts# 448-452

 

[exchemist]

That seems to delve into philosophical questions...'meaning of life' etc. I kinda think life is special. Beats being a rock. But I guess we all have opinions.

Why is it special, in your view, in a way that makes it necessary for God to have had to tinker with nature to bring it into being?

 

[ecco]

Like the universe in the BB theory?

Not at all. No physicists say the universe poofed itself into existence. Please explain the origin of your God if you feel He didn't poof Himself into Existence. Perhaps a bigger, older, stronger GOD created your God.

False claim. You have no capacity to determine spirits exist or not now, let alone many thousands of years ago.

I have never seen a spirit or a demon. No one that I know has ever seen a spirit or a demon. If you believe you have seen them, then you are indeed proof of my comment that spirits and demon spring from the imaginings of fearful superstitious people,

Try to remember this is a science forum where you should have on offer something more.

Coming from you, that is absolutely hilarious. You show, with almost every comment, that your indoctrination prevents you from accepting any science that contradicts with your deeply ingrained fundamentalist religious beliefs.

 

[ecco]

One week soup of the day science says coffee will kill you and the next week it says it is highly beneficial.

Most science now days is a type of "Look and See Science" I call "soup of the day science".

Look and see Science is always wrong even when it's right. Real science can only be based on proper experiment and not the opinion of Peers.

It's sad, but unsurprising, that you would believe that different studies coming to different conclusions is an indication of science contradicting itself.

It's sad, but unsurprising, that you don't understand that some fields of study can only be done by trying to evaluate effects on trees or monkeys or humans. It's sad, but unsurprising, that you can't understand why these kinds of studies would produce differing results.

It's sad, but unsurprising, that you believe this affects all branches of science and all manner of scientific study.


Is science contradicting itself by stating the earth is a sphere?
Is science contradicting itself by stating the sun is just one of a few billion stars in a grouping called the Milky Way?
Is science contradicting itself when newer and better tools for analysis find newer and different things than were known previously?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I keep forgetting. It's a hologram this week, right?

It's easy to get behind when it's one crazy new idea each week. It's more "Soup of the day science" created by people who think Peers can know reality if they just Look and See.

The concept of "reality" has fallen out of favor but mother nature just chugs along without believers or with. Science at one time used experiment to try to determine the nature of reality including what caused it. I guess the cause isn't important when you know it was scientific law and not God.

Wait.... we are speaking in English, right? Except that the word salad, above, does not parse into meaningful dialog...

Oh well. Maybe it's a Theist Thing? Speaking on Tongues?

 

[dad]

Why is it special, in your view, in a way that makes it necessary for God to have had to tinker with nature to bring it into being?

If creation is tinkering then nature itself was tinkered with, cause He created it also.

 

[dad]

Not at all. No physicists say the universe poofed itself into existence.

So where did the (imaginary) singularity hot soup or whatever come from? Basically they say it was just there and do not know how or why. If that ain't poofing what is?!

Please explain the origin of your God if you feel He didn't poof Himself into Existence. Perhaps a bigger, older, stronger GOD created your God.

God is not a science theory, and does not follow your little mental preconceptions or rules.

I have never seen a spirit or a demon.

Since most would agree they are invisible...so what?

No one that I know has ever seen a spirit or a demon.

How would you know? Daniel saw angels, as did others. Stick to what you know.

Coming from you, that is absolutely hilarious. You show, with almost every comment, that your indoctrination prevents you from accepting any science that contradicts with your deeply ingrained fundamentalist religious beliefs.

The ingrained beliefs that have wrongly been labeled as science is nothing but fiction.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If creation is tinkering then nature itself was tinkered with, cause He created it also.

Too bad that you do not have any reliable evidence that supports that claim.