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New Research that affects AIT.
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Satyamavejayanti
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Guess not
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Do you see any reason that I should budge from my views? The research actually reinforces the AMT theory. I have maintained that Aryans did not come very early as I previously thought or desired. The turning point was archaeology. BMAC, Balkh, Maimana, Yaz cultures are not older than 2,000 BC. Therefore to think that Aryans came to India before that time will be wrong. I bowed to archaeology.
Archaeological cultures associated with Indo-Iranian migrations (after EIEC). The Andronovo, BMAC and Yaz cultures have often been associated with Indo-Iranian migrations.The GGC (Swat), Cemetery H, Copper Hoard and PGW cultures are candidates for cultures associated with Indo-Aryan migrations.
The Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex (short BMAC), also known as the Oxus civilisation, is the modern archaeological designation for a Bronze Age civilization of Central Asia, dated to c. 2300–1700 BC, located in present-day northern Afghanistan, eastern Turkmenistan, southern Uzbekistan and western Tajikistan, centered on the upper Amu Darya (Oxus River). Its sites were discovered and named by the Soviet archaeologist Viktor Sarianidi (1976). Bactria was the Greek name for the area of Bactra (modern Balkh), in what is now northern Afghanistan, and Margiana was the Greek name for the Persian satrapy of Marguš, the capital of which was Merv, in modern-day southeastern Turkmenistan.
Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex - Wikipedia
See my version of Aryan travels in the map here:
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Yes I know. When I was a kid, there was a neighbour who REFUSED to get a telephone. But as the very old saying goes, 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks'.
No. Views are views. Whether it is Aupvaita, politics, opinions of Muslims, your version of atheism, etc., it's pretty clear nothing will ever change. What I'm curious about is if there is anything at all from the outside that could possible make the mind set in concrete shift (not just yours, but in general) one iota. I recall my very lengthy discussion with a member of a certain fundamentalist faith. It didn't move one iota either. So I also reflect on my own mind, and ponder if it moves. In Hinduism we are supposedly open to growth, no? Perhaps I'm not either. Hard to tell.
My Gurus, with close disciples, made sure the minds stayed at least somewhat pliable. New scientific or agricultural developments, for example, are good to implement. But pliability is also why the monastic order doesn't allow for people beyond age 25 to enter.
When I posted this, it was just for anyone interested in the debate, not just you, yet I 'knew' you'd respond quickly.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Perhaps the fundmentalists are like that, not me. I am always open to new ideas and learning eery moment. Just today, I have come to know more about existence of humans in Arctic regions before the last ice-age in another forum. Just have a look through it : The Horserider Civilization Theory - Page 10 - Historum - History Forums
I didn't mean learning new knowledge. Anyone can read a book. I meant changing belief about something. Shifting the way you think.
Even here, although the title clearly says 'Theory' you've taken it as fact, based on your previous notions I presume (subconscious mind).
Nobody is asking you to abandon any theory. It's just discussion. But 'leaning towards' is different than saying it's fact. So are you also softening your 'hard atheism' claim? Or is that belief fact in your view?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
True, I do lean towards Arctic Home theory. My 'hard atheism' is for myself. Others are welcome to have different views (they should not claim any new God. We already have enough of them).
Satyamavejayanti
Well-Known Member
Namaste,
I included myself in my reply, because i read the article and i still haven't changed my mind. The article said its only 4 sample of DNA, and they came to a conclusion based on limited data. This article has no bearing on the "Aryan", question, So im gonna be a stubborn brat and not change my mind...Sorry Vinayaka ji.
This was just a bit more further information in a debate that has a ton of information. Glad you read it.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
The article says that some East Siberian tribes have a R Haplotype, but of a different clade. It is not R1 or R2. But as you know, Haplotypes evolve over time. Perhaps their and our ancestors had the same, which in any way is true. Since the information was not definite, I did not pursue it minutely.
DNA testing is still in its infancy. One of the catches is that it's impossible to sample every individual who lives in a given area, especially if that area is a geographic crossroads. The sample may very well have not included individuals who had central Asian DNA because those were not the individuals sampled. Harlem NY is a largely black and Hispanic demographic. That does not mean, however, that people from other ethnic groups cannot be found there, e.g. Bill and Hillary Clinton have offices there. If archaeologists 2,000 years from now excavate the rubble and remains of buildings in Harlem, they might come to the conclusion there were no residents who were not black or Hispanic. Wherever the people of what would become India came from, or how it was populated should not be the issue. The issue should be is that it did become populated and create one of the greatest civilizations in the world.