Skwim
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Unlike religious belief, disbelief doesn't come easy. There may even be a pop quiz or two.
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New Theory: Why More Intelligent People Tend to be Less Religious
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joe1776
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Are you assuming, without evidence, that the intuitive feelings driving spiritual beliefs are wrong? The fact that opportunists exploit them is irrelevant.
I'm assuming that they're unsupported.
Disagree. Those opportunists have established institutions that perpetuate the belief across generations and centuries, without evidence, that there is a god.
There is probably something to that.
While I don't particularly agree, many people propose that religiosity is strongly correlated to afterlife and theistic beliefs.
Those are very difficult to justify without some sort of appeal to the supposed value of instinct over reason and rationality.
According to the scriptures, yes.
Jeremiah 4
22: "For my people are foolish, they know me not; they are stupid children, they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but how to do good they know not."
Jeremiah 10
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
Proverbs 2
1 My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you,
2 making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding;
3 yes, if you cry out for insight and raise your voice for understanding,
4 if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures;
5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding;
2 Corinthians 3;
14: But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.
15: Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds;
16: but when a man turns to the Lord the veil is removed.
17: Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
John 16
13: When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
I know what the Spirit of Truth is and how it was created.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
reason, logic, interpretation of cause and effect, creativity, recall, memory, applied learning ; each of us has our own way of these things.
who is to say whom is more intelligent on the grounds of atheism and theism? it simply doesn't apply to intelligence.
the only valid contention from theism, is is there an intelligent force in nature?
atheism just forces us all to be more real about the contention.
I'm an atheist, and I enjoy a spirituality too and I wonder about an intelligent force in nature.
but the contention itself can never be answered.
who is to say whom is more intelligent on the grounds of atheism and theism? it simply doesn't apply to intelligence.
the only valid contention from theism, is is there an intelligent force in nature?
atheism just forces us all to be more real about the contention.
I'm an atheist, and I enjoy a spirituality too and I wonder about an intelligent force in nature.
but the contention itself can never be answered.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
It's an irony inference
Intelligence intelligent, in a thread about intelligence?
james bond
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what you mean by intelligence and what measurement test you are using. However, choosing to go to hell instead of heaven or new earth certainly seems stupid AF.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
I agree but most of these people don't think they are going to hell. Satan does his deception work very well, unfortunately.
Believing in a hell without evidence of one seems stupid to me, though.
I love it that you believe in Satan, but not evolution.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
We have evidence of Christ. Christ said hell is a real place and often spoke of it. We believe Him and worship Him.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
I believe in what you call micro-evolution. I do not believe in ape-to-man or fish-to-bird. I believe in Genesis and Satan is present there. Jesus also believed Genesis because He quoted from it more than any other book.
You have weak, inconclusive evidence for your beliefs. You can kid yourself into believing your faith is soundly grounded in evidence, but not everyone.
I've never yet met a creationist who could reason. Are you the first?
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
If you don't believe the evidence, fine. I also don't believe in your evidence and interpret that evidence far differently than you do. See ICR website.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Are you sure you give them a chance to reason?
They've all had their chances, just as you have. I pity people who can't reason. But I know I can't change them.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Some atheists can't reason, either. Whether a person can reason or not has nothing to do with their religious belief or lack thereof is what I think.
I believe that God can and does change people who are willing to ask Him to.
Vaderecta
Active Member
I think it may be biased. I don't think believing in a god or not believing in a god says anything about your general intelligence. Perhaps this study has persuaded you otherwise but it did nothing for me.