New vote count in Wisconsin and Michigan?

[Shadow Wolf]

Enfranchisement is the right to vote. No state grants voting rights to non citizens(edit: for national elections, some do for local), but several have such lax voter registration that it allows non citizens to slip through the cracks.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

All I can see is an abstract and a claim that millions of fraudulent votes were cast during 2008. That is a substantial claim. No other study I've seen has suggested there is this high of a rate of fraudulent voting.

 

[Mister_T]

That maybe true but I don't think so, Hillary and her followers are just simply bad loser's, and its disgusting how they are acting over their loss.

Apparently you were in a coma when the Tea Party was around.

 

[psychoslice]

Apparently you were in a coma when the Tea Party was around.

maybe so, but I am not in a coma when it comes to Hillary Dillary.

 

[Mister_T]

maybe so, but I am not in a coma when it comes to Hillary Dillary.

Nor do you have a problem with double standards apparently.

 

[psychoslice]

Nor do you have a problem with double standards apparently.

Yes I don't label myself as you would.

 

[Mister Emu]

All I can see is an abstract and a claim that millions of fraudulent votes were cast during 2008. That is a substantial claim. No other study I've seen has suggested there is this high of a rate of fraudulent voting.

I am sorry you don't have scientific journal access. Again, this study was not of voter fraud. This isn't saying voter fraud, the dead republicans who vote Democrat and Mickey Mouse voting, is a major issue. This is mainly non citizens registered to vote and voting as who they are. Because our verification of registered voters is a joke.

 

[Revoltingest]

She tapped the gullible ultra progressive left.


Illegal voters, somewhat different. They vote validly(are registered voters) but not legitimately(they are not legally enfranchised). Studies into the matter suggest that between 8 and 14 percent of non citizen residents vote in elections, and they skew massively for Democrats. The margin of popular vote victory is within that range, but it isn't a certainty.

Enfranchisement is the right to vote. No state grants voting rights to non citizens(edit: for national elections, some do for local), but several have such lax voter registration that it allows non citizens to slip through the cracks.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

Michiganistan's policy, as told to me by a poll worker....
ID is required, but only if you have ID.
If you don't have it, then it's not required.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not end of the story and I won't shut up. We now have a President and Congress who deny climate change. we as a nation have normalized and accepted hatred and bigotry.

Don't be too quick with such accusations.
Violence, hatred & bigotry by the losing party have been on full display.
Democrats are just blind to their own racists, sexists, & violent thugs.

 

[Iti oj]

Yes and you do show your hatred.

Where? show me.

 

[Revoltingest]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-green-party-drops-election-recount-bid-pennsylvania-020036851.html
Ode to Jill Stein & the crooked Greens

She's at it again, the recounting pest
Fleecing the the states & the Dems dispossessed.
Got trounced in the race
way back in forth place
The pantsuiter lost, so give it a rest.

 

[Iti oj]

Don't be too quick with such accusations.
Violence, hatred & bigotry by the losing party have been on full display.
Democrats are just blind to their own racists, sexists, & violent thugs.

I don't think Republicans are hateful or bigitited . what I think is that a candidate used hateful s d bigitited rhetoric and people were ok with that. this the normalizing and acceptance .

I would also agree that there is to much of those accusations being made. it's also overblown by the media and face book. all in all when I see liberal treat a trump supporter like that I try to say as much.

Your right about there being hatred and violence in both sides. All I can say is I have been trying to be constructive.

That being said some of what was said during this campaign to me and my values was not okay .


Also I'm so tired of conservatives crying about liberals crying

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think Republicans are hateful or bigitited . what I think is that a candidate used hateful s d bigitited rhetoric and people were ok with that. this the normalizing and acceptance .

Hilda did the same thing, but just with greater subtlety.....
- Advocating vote based solely upon gender.
- Falsely demonizing half the country as "deplorable".
- Tacit approval of post election violence & abuse.
- Her many minions falsely playing the race & Hitler cards, thereby ramping up hatred.

I would also agree that there is to much of those accusations being made. it's also overblown by the media and face book. all in all when I see liberal treat a trump supporter like that I try to say as much.

Your right about there being hatred and violence in both sides. All I can say is I have been trying to be constructive.

That being said some of what was said during this campaign to me and my values was not okay .


Also I'm so tired of conservatives crying about liberals crying

No.....tis been chortling.
And the liberals ought to stop giving their opponents ammunition.
They must face that we've a new prez, albeit one whom few like.
Tantrums won't change anything.
Gotta move on.

 

[Iti oj]

Hilda did the same thing, but just with greater subtlety.....
- Advocating vote based solely upon gender.
- Falsely demonizing half the country as "deplorable".
- Tacit approval of post election violence & abuse.
- Her many minions falsely playing the race & Hitler cards, thereby ramping up hatred.

No.....tis been chortling.
And the liberals ought to stop giving their opponents ammunition.
They must face that we've a new prez, albeit one whom few like.
Tantrums won't change anything.
Gotta move on.

I didn't support or.vote for Hillary . Though to be fair she was to me the lesser of two evils. yes that comment was problematic . That being said she didn't run her whole campaign on such rhetoric .

Accepting trump as our President has nothing to do with whether I protest or not and what other actions I take .


Your wrong though making noise has always proceeded social and political reform in this country. there are many people protesting many things . they all shouldn't be lump together . I try to support as many of them as possible . also many are doing more then protesting .

I
Me personally I have been organizing and focusing on issues. I'm sure you have noticed an increase in environmental threads here that is by design .

Locally I'm starting a local chapter of the green party . I'm also working with some other local groups and just got endorsed to run for a board position on the pistol river friendship hall.


So maybe you should stop telling me what I have got to do and let me do what I need to do. maybe people should remember that we have the right to express ourselves and to protest . maybe conservatives should look at the last 8 years of obstructionism and birther movements and look at themselves in the mirror wheb they say things like that.

I won't shut up and I won't sit down. if that bothers you... good.

 

[Revoltingest]

I won't shut up and I won't sit down. if that bothers you... good.

No....I prefer that you stand & exclaim.
(And shake that money maker while you're at it.)
Tis some others whom I'd like to see with gums less a'flap'n.

Green Party, eh?
You guys are even more useless than us Libertarians.
Welcome aboard!

 

[Iti oj]

No....I prefer that you stand & exclaim.
(And shake that money maker while you're at it.)
Tis some others whom I'd like to see with gums less a'flap'n.

Green Party, eh?
You guys are even more useless than us Libertarians.
Welcome aboard!

I actually wish I could register as both. I'm in a red county so I'm often talking about the libertarian party . politically i find the rise of third parties important .

You know and have heard me . so its easier to see the validity of my message and actions. maybe if you knew and heard other flappers you might feel the same about them . know that I stand in solidarity with many of them. I hope they feel the same about me.


Considering the high levels of apathy and low voter turn out I wish more people were doing more and plan to encourage others to speak out and take action.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am sorry you don't have scientific journal access. Again, this study was not of voter fraud. This isn't saying voter fraud, the dead republicans who vote Democrat and Mickey Mouse voting, is a major issue. This is mainly non citizens registered to vote and voting as who they are. Because our verification of registered voters is a joke.

Saying there were enough fraudulent votes cast during 2008 that it effected the outcome implies it is claiming there were millions of fraudulent votes cast. It's even claiming photo-ID requirements have a limited effect on non-citizen participation. These claims are counter to many, many other studies, and with this I can't even see their methods or how they came to these conclusions.

 

[esmith]

Saying there were enough fraudulent votes cast during 2008 that it effected the outcome implies it is claiming there were millions of fraudulent votes cast. It's even claiming photo-ID requirements have a limited effect on non-citizen participation. These claims are counter to many, many other studies, and with this I can't even see their methods or how they came to these conclusions.

The claim can neither be proved or disproved.
Ask yourself how hard is it to obtain false documentation....fairly easy as per the following article
http://cis.org/IdentityTheft

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ask yourself how hard is it to obtain false documentation....fairly easy as per the following article

Identity theft doesn't pay for elections.
If such a claim is true, that so many fraudulent votes were cast in 2008 that it did indeed throw the election, then we must recount the votes, probably in all 50 states, and we should find a huge discrepancy in these two states.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am sorry you don't have scientific journal access.

I have some, but not to this specific one.

 

[esmith]

Identity theft doesn't pay for elections.
If such a claim is true, that so many fraudulent votes were cast in 2008 that it did indeed throw the election, then we must recount the votes, probably in all 50 states, and we should find a huge discrepancy in these two states.

I'm neither disputing or agreeing with the claim that illegals are voting in National elections. All I am putting forward is that if an illegal wanted to vote they would have no problem doing so. False papers can be purchased for around less than $300 which would allow them to work, register/vote.