New World Order

[Evie]

Group 2.

It is obvious to me that the old world order is disastrous. The Family of Humanity is well on it's way to self destruction due to the way we do things and what we believe.
But I don't think that a New World Order is at all likely, because the old deadly one is too thoroughly embedded in our psyche. We are programmed to keep doing what we do now, just like the yeast in a wine bottle are and then they die. Religious beliefs are a huge part of that tendency.
Tom

well said.

 

[Evie]

It's just the same wolf in a new style of sheep's clothing. Perhaps a bit more sophisticated than the Emperors and Senators of Ancient Rome, but the elite keep having to find new and inventive ways of managing the "great unwashed" who would otherwise be wild and chaotic without their "betters" to guide them (or rule them with an iron fist). It's how human societies have operated for thousands of years, so I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon.

Me either.

 

[Evie]

I don't fear the NWO more than I would fear any government or elite body. I'm just a lowly, puny individual who is subject to whatever "order" the powerful groups in control want to impose upon us. I would not fear for myself, no matter what kind of government there is. The only real "fear" I have (which isn't really much of a fear) is that human civilization may stagnate or disintegrate due to mismanagement, corruption, greed, and other such human failings that seem to afflict every great empire or civilization.

With the current course the world is taking, it seems that we're regressing more than progressing, and that's what I fear. Not for myself, but I just think it would be a shame to go backwards instead of forwards.

I think you have something there.

 

[Shem Ben Noah]

"The majority!?" It was not the majority who ruled over Germany. Never is it the majority who start wars but a small few who influence enough people in key positions to undermine an established system, overthrow it, and take control through bloodshed.

You can't imagine such an event happening in this day and age with the sort of technology at hand, technology Hitler or some other dictator could only have dreamt of?

Let's not forget the need for a scapegoat. Any NWO will turn to the historical favorite scapegoat, the Jews.

Hitler was a big fan of computers, if he had todays computers and information systems, there would be no way to hide or escape.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What does a NWO mean to you?

When they say "NWO," I don't see the possibility of a productive discussion. However, talks of it happening in less of an Illuminati-laced story and the nations coming together in a UN sort of way, that I think it possibly, will happen, and will be for the better.

I expect the NWO will be worse than Windows 10.

I think we are safe in that the only thing worse than Windows 10 is Windows 8. The one so bad Microsoft lost its ability to count.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

So you're a fan of Opus Dei, evie?

 

[Evie]

Research OPUS DEI

So you're a fan of Opus Dei, evie?

in answer to the questions regarding NWO. I was suggesting that researching Opus Dei could answer them. I look into everything in order to try and learn the truth.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You weren't suggesting so much as you were spamming...

 

[Evie]

You weren't suggesting so much as you were spamming...

I asked what spamming is, but you have not answered.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You didn't ask, but it's when you post five messages in a row that all say the same thing.

 

[Evie]

You didn't ask, but it's when you post five messages in a row that all say the same thing.

I thought it was to different posts. I will read things more carefully in future. They were all going on and on about the NWO, and the little I do know about Opus Dei I thought would be of interest. Personally, I think no matter what is fed to the masses about most things, is not the whole truth. But it is interesting reading the various views of others.

 

[hughwatt]

I don't believe that a NWO is even possible. As long as people accept the authorities of religion the Old World Order will rule.

I would like to see a world where people don't accept human authority as a moral requirement. God could do that, if God exists. He could explain things as clearly as Muslims believe that God explained them to Muhammad.

But everyone knows that there is no God who cares that much.
Tom

Help me to understand what you would like to see.

You don't want a world where humans set the moral requirements, I get that. You would like God to do that but the one you refer to hasn't so you conclude that God doesn't exist.

Okay, if I got that straight, what are you hoping for?

 

[hughwatt]

You don't care if I believe in Jesus?
Really? You don't think that is important?
Tom

I think that's important but your scoffing attitude towards Him is not worth going into.

 

[hughwatt]

What is this order that you are expecting?

Out of chaos a NWO. Out of a NWO disaster.

 

[hughwatt]

That sounds like communist theory, which has been largely discredited. It would be more interesting to look at positive reform that's being proposed. There is a great deal of constructive dialogue that goes on with sincere and capable people.

Discredited by whom? Marxism/communism/socialism is the proponents of the NWO's ideal.

There is that for certain. Obviously any system needs checks and balances. Any system is only as good as the ordinary people that support it.

Would the NWO afford "ordinary people"rights? How about if it were the right to be enslaved or die?

The UN was born out of necessity. It does concern me when individuals and group hijack governmental organisations for their own narrow agendas.

The UN was "hijacked" for what agenda?

 

[hughwatt]

I don't fear the NWO more than I would fear any government or elite body. I'm just a lowly, puny individual who is subject to whatever "order" the powerful groups in control want to impose upon us. I would not fear for myself, no matter what kind of government there is. The only real "fear" I have (which isn't really much of a fear) is that human civilization may stagnate or disintegrate due to mismanagement, corruption, greed, and other such human failings that seem to afflict every great empire or civilization.

By this your fears my soon be realised.

Who are those who take control of societies and force the majority to be subdued by brutality if not willingly? Is it not the ones you listed; a greed[y], corrupt powerful elite who control the media and seek to shutdown any means of communication which exposes them which tries to encourage an uprising? Fascism is any dictators bag.

With the current course the world is taking, it seems that we're regressing more than progressing, and that's what I fear. Not for myself, but I just think it would be a shame to go backwards instead of forwards.

How?

 

[hughwatt]

Why do you assume there'd just be one leader? Any sort of global government would by necessity be somewhat decentralized, with the day-to-day stuff being ran by people lower on the totem pole. The only real purpose of the people in the highest echelons of this government would be to direct funds & resources to the places that need them most.

Because every empire has an ultimate ruler people looked to. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the Kim family of N Korea, etc.

 

[hughwatt]

Check out Opus Dei for some answers

What are your thoughts?

 

[hughwatt]

Let's not forget the need for a scapegoat. Any NWO will turn to the historical favorite scapegoat, the Jews.

Hitler was a big fan of computers, if he had todays computers and information systems, there would be no way to hide or escape.

Perhaps the readers who say they have nothing to fear from a NWO should pay close attention to this for this is how a NWO could enslave the world and force itself upon all, willingly or unwillingly.

 

[hughwatt]

When they say "NWO," I don't see the possibility of a productive discussion. However, talks of it happening in less of an Illuminati-laced story and the nations coming together in a UN sort of way, that I think it possibly, will happen, and will be for the better.

I've been around long enough to know the way to discredit someone or something when people want to conceal it til they're ready is to poo-poo it using public/social media, TV, movies, music, whatever it takes, just flood the place with enough misinformation and the general public, who btw can't stomach the thought of being manipulated and controlled from nappy-to-nappy would much rather bury their heads in the sand so long as they have an ipod, smartphone or Xbox type device.

Hmm, that was a long sentence, wasn't it?

To be honest, if I were them I'd still be doing the same.