we have fundamental differences on the value of human life and morality.
Yes, I know. The difference is that I would like people who disagree with you to be able to live according to their own consciouses as women who would never choose abortion are free to do, whereas you want them to live as you would force them to.
I think abortion is murder...
OK, but that doesn't matter to me or to a pregnant woman who sees the procedure as a moral option that is right for her. You can't seem to get past that YOUR feelings are for YOU. You think that what you judge to be murder or immoral should be imposed on others who disagree. An analogous situation would be one where a woman is forced to get an abortion to satisfy somebody else's moral inclinations. Maybe they don't approve of mixed-race babies and think that they should be aborted in utero because they believe that their god thinks that. How would you feel about them imposing their religious beliefs on your wife or daughter?
If you bristle at the idea - if you think that that is nobody's business including the government's - you can understand what pro-choicers are telling you.
Or maybe you already understand that but just don't care. I've mentioned it to you a few times and you keep coming back to YOUR preferences as if you don't seem to care that other people feel differently than you do and want to live their lives according to their consciences, not YOURS.
I was not talking to you.
So what? He expressed his opinion anyway, and it's one I share. Was that a problem for you? It sems so.
the government has an interest in protecting the unborn.
Not from abortion. The government exists to optimize the lives of its citizens, which means its duty is to protect reproductive rights, not limit them. First and second trimester concepti are entitled to no protection that the pregnant woman doesn't provide or choose unless that is the will of the people. It's not. It's the will of the theocrats on the Supreme Court who lied about their intentions and the church whose anti-choice agenda they are there to impose on the will of unwilling people.
Trump said he will not sign a national abortion ban, that means to you whatever you want it to mean.
He's a liar. I know exactly what Trump means on his coherent days. You still haven't figured out who and what he is.
We don't allow doctors to make decisions free from government laws.
That's news to me. When I think about all of the decisions I made practicing medicine unaware that the government had laws I was expected to know and obey. Thanks for the heads up.
I actually used to decide when a patient needed to return for follow-up, or how often I wanted them checking their blood pressure or glucose at home. I chose whether a chest X-ray was necessary and which if any antibiotic to prescribe. And there were laws for those all along? I guess that I was lucky to avoid sanctioning and prosecution all those years.
There are secular reasons to be anti abortion
Ok, but what are your reasons for imposing them on people who disagree, assuming that you prefer criminalizing abortion?
This is the bottom line for people like me. It's not about what you feel is immoral for you to do. We don't mind you considering abortion murder or embryos children with rights. Feel free to live your life that way and make arguments in support of your position.
It's that you keep deflecting back to that as if it should matter to others when the discussion turns to who should make those decisions - the mother or the government. Anti-choicers seem uninterested in what these women want for their lives - just what they want to forbid them from doing.
And the rest of us are uninterested in their opinions.