New York Times endorses Harris as ‘the only choice’ for president

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Women's lives are being ended because politicians are not health care professionals.

Not an answer to my question.

 

[Pogo]

Both medical professionals and legislators.

Why under our constitution should legislators enforce a religious opinion?

 

[Regiomontanus]

Unless you are a conservative, in which case it's obvious that you should be able to make other people's choices for them. This is called, in their parlance, "freedom" -- completely without any sense of irony.

What you say is not at all obvious to me. Liberal or Conservative, what are your definitions? I am a treehugger and socialist. But I think abortion is murder...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Both medical professionals and legislators.

And let's let the legislators decide on matters like male circumcision, what foods you shouldn't eat because they're "not good for you," and what games children can play because they might be "learning the wrong lessons," and what church they should attend where they can learn "the right lessons." Yeah, let's give legislators control over everything -- just to keep things really tidy and homogenous. Human individuality is over-rated anyway.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What you say is not at all obvious to me. Liberal or Conservative, what are your definitions? I am a treehugger and socialist. But I think abortion is murder...

Then how about we just remove the fetus and give it to you to care for?

 

[Pogo]

We don't allow doctors to make decisions free from government laws. You want a special case for abortion.

No, just the recognition that it is a medical decision not a religious one and that the laws regarding medical practice are the relevant laws.

 

[crossfire]

Yes, the government has an interest in protecting the unborn. We will never see eye to eye and because I think the unborn has value worth protecting, you don't so we will never agree.

Hey, I agree that the state should have an interest in viable fetuses that could survive outside of the womb. If you want more fetuses to make it to viability, then invest in OB/GYN healthcare instead of creating OB/GYN healthcare deserts through the implimentation of draconian laws that apply to nonviable fetuses.

 

[crossfire]

That answers nothing. Surely there should be a definition of what a health risk means before we end a life.

Women's lives are being ended because politicians are not health care professionals.

Not an answer to my question.

Well, women's lives are being ended because politicians cannot enumerate all possible scenarios that would constitute a health risk. Even doctors couldn't enumerate all possible scenarios, but they could usually recognize them when they see them and advise their patients regarding their assessment of risk, and let the patient make an informed decision. Some politicians want to dispense with informed decisions altogether--at the peril of the patients at risk!

 

[Altfish]

What is the definition?

Don't do any medical procedure on a pregnant woman

 

[Kathryn]

We need a frubal for <non-informative>.

I don't know how much clearer you expect me to be. I have answered your question.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What does "personal well being" mean? That is very vague.

No, I never said I had the answer, all I asked what what are Kamala's restrictions.

That's what most people are asking her but she just won't answer that part of the question. And people stupidly think she's the the ultimate queen of problem solving and finding solutions as a leader.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We don't allow doctors to make decisions free from government laws. You want a special case for abortion.

Not at all. You are using a strawman fallacy.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Then how about we just remove the fetus and give it to you to care for?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I already said I would not personally choose to have an abortion in the case of rape or incest but since over 98 percent of abortions would be forbidden, I'm OK with that.

Then I assume that you are willing to undergo a massive tax increase to pay for those children.

 

[Kathryn]

OK, you have beliefs. But do you have understanding? The dilemma with "pro-life" attitudes is that they are too heavily tied to assumptions that are religious and ideological, not facts. Do you understand anything about over-population? Do you understand that many unwanted kids are already in foster homes and not getting the mental health care they need due to the circumstances of their lives? Your beliefs aren't going to solve the problems that over-population will cause.

I get the argument about overpopulation. There are ways to avoid that. And like I said, my family practices what it preaches to to speak so you are barking up the wrong tree.

OK, you have a story. The thing is personal stories seldom reflect the whole of a situation. To make sound solutions for a nation we need to look at the big picture, not just a few stories that can color beliefs.

I am not sharing my story to try to reflect the whole of a situation. I AM sharing it to show what can be done in various situations.

As far as children having healthcare access, I know that Kansas will pay for the healthcare of children, but not for the mother. I didn't know about this until one of my friends died in an accident and she left a pregnant widow with another child to take care of. Welfare covered some costs, and the kids had healthcare, but it was so difficult as far as paperwork that she had to quit her job and her parents moved into town to help her. My cycling community came together and provided dinners for her and the family for well into a year until things stabilized for her. The USA is still a nation that values good luck, and it's largely every man for himself. Is there room for idealism based on religious beliefs over abortion? No. Conservatives still complain about welfare, but offer no solutions that will actually resolve the problems of women in poverty.

That's not true - I mean your STORY may be true but it's not true across the board or states. For instance, my daughter was in Texas and got fantastic care throughout her pregnancy and delivery and afterwards.

 

[Kathryn]

Then I assume that you are willing to undergo a massive tax increase to pay for those children.

It depends.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You'd probably be more alarmed if he skipped the glove.

Well at least it was a she. Still that is going straight to at least third base.

 

[Alien826]

No, just the recognition that it is a medical decision not a religious one and that the laws regarding medical practice are the relevant laws.

I've been trying to find an example of an established medical procedure that is limited by laws, regulations, or medical ethics guidelines as to when or under what circumstances it may be performed. There are loads of laws and regulations, but they tend to be about money in some way, patient confidentiality, and so on.

Can anyone provide an example? It should be specific to medicine, not laws we all have to obey.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Why under our constitution should legislators enforce a religious opinion?

There are secular reasons to be anti abortion, they are better reasons in my opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are secular reasons to be anti abortion, they are better reasons in my opinion.

And yet you cannot seem to make a rational and consistent argument for abortion.