Newton - The Last Of The Magicians

[cladking]

Your "theory" merely denies the first humans (Adam and Eve) could be remembered rather than presenting evidence or logic that precludes the possibility. Simply stated Adam was merely the "first" with complex speech and the first to be assigned a star at his death. "S3h" and "Sopdet" were (probably) the mnemonic to remember these individuals and the rest is mere confusion.

There are reasons that our specific confusions arise. I believe it is possible that Adam passed out from CO2 asphyxiation and that when woke up to see the individual who saved him (Eve) that it felt like he had had a rib ripped from his chest. I have many reasons to believe this. But I have no way to know and this is only a single possibility of an infinite number of possibilities.

Somehow huge numbers of people know it's impossible the story could be real and large numbers of people know this story is literally true. Nobody else believes the Pyramid Texts are literally true. Everybody believes it is superstitious gobbledty gook written in a language with no words for "belief".

This is confusion on a biblical scale! How can these things all be true? Why would Sir Isaac Newton get the crazy idea the ancients were wise? Why do we see only what we believe and people believe in science OR religion but no one believes in ancient people. No one believe it requires science to discover evolution or invent agriculture and they believe superstition made the pyramid builders strong.

NONSENSE! Our beliefs are wrong. We have created models without true understanding. Even when our models can be "understood" we rarely understand their meaning because we don't understand the metaphysical implications.



Most of the ancient writing that looks like it was written by one kind of sun addled bumpkin or another is actually based on something real. Some individuals can see outlines of the reality behind the confusion. I can't, but I did rediscover ancient science, Ancient Language, and that the pyramids were built with linear funiculars. I'm intuitive but it works in only one direction for me.

 

[cladking]

To me, "logic", as in Natural Logics, derives from observing nature itself and the from observing the celestial objects and motions around the Earth. And this includes of course observations via their intuitive spiritual senses as well.

I'm sorry but I've never tried before to define what I mean by logic and am having trouble with putting it into words.

I believe that there are no "laws of nature" and this is just Newtonian claptrap. I believe that math is merely quantified logic and this same logic underlies all of reality.

In my defense it might be said that defining "logic" in such terms is about as difficult as defining "consciousness". I believe these are simply the underlying reality to life and the universe. We just might not be ready for a very long time to define either of these terms. Perhaps they will prove undefinable and merely axiomatic.

 

[ecco]

You do realize I'm trying to communicate to you how Newton invented science and why he studied alchemy/ pyramids?

Yes

You do realize I'm trying to tell you why some people (even in this very thread) are saying we misunderstand ancient people?

Yes

You do realize I'm proposing a way off the exact same detour the human race has been on that Newton tried to stop?

Yes

You do realize I'm proposing a different kind of science

Yes

You do realize that I am completely unimpressed by everything you have posted.

 

[Workman]

How about this for a theory! Has anyone heard of the belief that of the world is flat? I was watching this last night; and thought! “what the heck is this! So I woke up this morning thinking about it and well! I’ve got my own kind of theory with this now.lol,
And if someone could revise in it.. would be good to have feedback.

A curved line is made out of many straight lines. So in other words; for every straight lines we can have, will make it curve. Even on the point of tip where it curve, your either sitting at the end of line, or at the start of following line. And as it curve(s)..is the making from many small portions of straight lines. Sizes in lines plays a big part with this.

As an example; the earths shape is round as a circle..we as humans are the small portion that live onside the BIG circle..if you were to stand somewhere in the desert you will only see as far as your line will end, if you wish to see more you would have to step forward to the next line. To cheat it! You can remove your self off your line to a higher point(hill), where now you’ve reached a longer line in seeing more lines ahead of you including your own.

And if so! This maybe true..this would possibly mean that we’re living in a world or even the universe, that is bent? If that made any sense of it!

Sorry for the confusion, now I wish I never watched it!

 

[ecco]

Meanwhile I can make predictions and answer many fundamental questions about the great pyramid builders, the pyramids, and the nature of ancient people.

Please do make some predictions and answer some fundamental questions.

 

[ecco]

So he removed Adam's penile bone and from that he made Eve.

Maybe, but it sounds dirty... ...and sacrilegious.

Why dirty? Why sacrilegious?
Why is removing a penile bone dirtier than removing a rib?

 

[cladking]

Please do make some predictions and answer some fundamental questions.

I've lost count of the number of predictions I've made and have been borne out by testing, observation, and news. None of my proposals for the answers to the mysteries have been verified yet but very little of the testing and follow-up is being done. How can my solution to the mystery of the meaning and origin of the "ankh" be demonstrated if they still refuse to do basic testing on the pyramid? They finally applied century old technology (infrared imaging) on the pyramid in 2015, found exactly what I predicted, shoved a boroscope into it and then sat on the results as I predicted. Nobody cares. Hawass intimated he found what I predicted with the boroscope but no one cares about that either especially since he won't even admit he put a scope on it.

We can't get to predictions made by ancient science such as that consciousness underlies change in species rather than fitness if the linguists in charge at Giza take centuries to methodically use modern knowledge and technology and then take only God knows how long to release the results. The answers that Newton, Native, and many others seek are here but Egyptologists are afraid of them. Linguists have no business studying physical evidence and if they ever do they'll find they have no business parsing the Pyramid Texts.

 

[cladking]

None of my proposals for the answers to the mysteries have been verified yet but very little of the testing and follow-up is being done. How can my solution to the mystery of the meaning and origin of the "ankh" be demonstrated if they still refuse to do basic testing on the pyramid? They finally applied century old technology (infrared imaging) on the pyramid in 2015, found exactly what I predicted, shoved a boroscope into it and then sat on the results as I predicted. Nobody cares. Hawass intimated he found what I predicted with the boroscope but no one cares about that either especially since he won't even admit he put a scope on it.

I spent years trying to get them to use this virtually ancient technology because I knew it was the simplest means to show a clear path to both proof Newton was right about alchemy and we're wrong about everything. They probably would never have done it at all except that the tourist industry was in shambles in early 2015 and they thought applying a little "modern tech" to the pyramid might show where there was more gold (to attract tourists) or show that Egyptology was correct that they already know everything.

Instead they found nothing but what they think are "anomalies" and now they gag the scientists who found them. They won't even allow these scientists to propose means to study them further and no study of the infrared imaging have been released. Hawass has repeatedly made statements that no results of real scientific testing will be released until those results confirm consensus reality!!! Such statements are made but nobody seems to be in the least offended. I understand why they dismiss my "predictions" such as this even has important military implications but how can people turn a blind eye to those in charge turning a blind eye. How Ironic that Dr Lehner's recent documentary on G1 says the best way to learn about the pyramids is to turn your back on them.

 

[Native]

Native said: ↑
Our ancestors kwew very well everything withtout being bothered by math and calculus.

really don't know how far developed their science was. All I have is insight into the science that was necessary to communicate rituals at the kings' ascension ceremonies. This science is pretty remarkable especially as it applies to zoology and anatomy.

The connection to zoology and anatomy is IMO very logic since our ancestors had no other possibilities but to describe every thing "smal or big" with allegories and symbols from the natural world.
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Take for instants the dung beetle:

Quotes from - Ancient Egypt: the Mythology - Scarab Beetle

Appearance: The particular species of beetle represented in the numerous ancient Egyptian amulets and works of art was commonly the large sacred scarab (Scarabaeus sacer). This beetle was famous for his habit of rolling balls of dung along the ground and depositing them in its burrows. The female would lay her eggs in the ball of dung. When they hatched, the larvae would use the ball for food. When the dung was consumed the young beetles would emerge from the hole.

Millions of amulets and stamp seals of stone or faience were fashioned in Egypt depicted the scarab beetle.

Meaning: It seemed to the ancient Egyptians that the young scarab beetles emerged spontaneously from the burrow were they were born. Therefore they were worshipped as "Khepera", which means "he was came forth." This creative aspect of the scarab was associated with the creator god Atum.
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When the dung beetle is connected to the creator god Atum, the symbolism (and hieroglyph) can only be understood in the context of the Egyptian creation myth and as the dung beetle has a steady cycle and process of formation, the overall explanation is: creation and re-creation, the eternal cycle of Life.
Links:
Dung beetle - Wikipedia
Khepri - Wikipedia
Atum - Wikipedia

I'm sorry but I thought I had made this clear; NOBODY can read hieroglyphs. Ancient Language can not be translated into modern languages because the formatting is wholly incompatible.

As an extension of my above comments, the hieroglyps can only be understood if we understand the symbolism and allegory of the chosen animal. In this sence, the formatting of this language is the language of nature itself.

The Dung Beetle is sholarly interpreted as a "Sun" symbol, but this is contradicted by the beetle connection to Atum who has nothing special to do with the Sun in our Solar System. Atum is the symbol of the eternal and universal creative powers of Light in the Egyptian story of creation.

That is: We have to understand BOTH the natural chosen symbol and it´s allegorism AND the cosmic (Atum) realms before we can have the correct frame of references, which together provides the correct and natural explanation in the glyphs.

 

[ecco]

I've lost count of the number of predictions I've made and have been borne out by testing, observation, and news.

Please list just one prediction you have made.
Give a detailed description of the prediction.
Show proof of when you made the prediction.
Give detailed evidence that the prediction has been borne out by testing, observation, and news.

None of my proposals for the answers to the mysteries have been verified yet

In your opening sentence, you clearly stated your predictions have been "borne out".


I don't think we need to go further until you clear up the confusion you have created.

 

[ecco]

I spent years trying to get them to use this virtually ancient technology

Can you specify what "virtually ancient technology" you are referring to?
Can you detail the methods you used in trying to communicate your desires to them?

 

[cladking]

Can you specify what "virtually ancient technology" you are referring to?
Can you detail the methods you used in trying to communicate your desires to them?

I'm trying to embarrass them into doing systematic and methodical testing and application of modern knowledge on the pyramid. I thought I was clear above where I said I spent years trying to get them to use the ancient technology we call infrared imaging. They finally allowed its use in October of 2015 and immediately found the hot spot the ancient called "The Cool is the Nt-Crown Path" exactly twice as far from the NE corner as I predicted. The center of this path with an endoscope tube still in it is pictured above. I CORRECTLY predicted this path is exceedingly cold on the first hot day of the year with the wind out of the west but they won't even release the data that proves this prediction. I also predicted the hot spot below the chevrons and I have a good model of the heat being released now. This is because the PT says what's inside and deduction and gravimetric evidence is sufficient to interpolate.

I have many predictions but people don't remember them five minutes after I post them. Then they ignore what I say and argue semantics. I have hundreds and hundreds of predictions but many I've never posted because my confidence level isn't as high or because they won't be known for years and would sound "crank" to Homo Omnisciencis. The world is much different than much "smarter" people than I know it to be. Reality does does conform to belief or science. It does not conform to mathematics, or at least if it does we'll never learn the math. There are not an infinite number of pyramids built with an infinite number of ramps. There are no pyramids built with ramps. There are no ramps but there is one world with pyramids not built with ramps. There is no such thing as infinity. It does not exist and is an artefact of the definitions that we use. Indeed, if we chose different definitions it would be true the earth is flat. The math for getting something into orbit would be very complex.

 

[cladking]

As an extension of my above comments, the hieroglyps can only be understood if we understand the symbolism and allegory of the chosen animal. In this sence, the formatting of this language is the language of nature itself.

Yes! You nailed it from an oblique angle.

The scarab beetle though is a little different in Ancient Language than it was is the confused language that followed it. I could say why and how but I'm not going to at this time.

To Ancient Language speakers "khepri" was the concept of permanence and very much justification of the axiom that all things are what they appear to be in terms of theory. This was merely a word that represented permanence when "permanence" was the subject of a sentence. "Khepri" was deduced by observing the same sun spots in the morning that had existed the evening before. They "knew" the same sun appeared each day. The scarab beetle was merely the word used to represent long life as the subject of the sentence.

The Ancient Language we can't quite see had no "symbolism". It had no words for belief, taxonomies, thought, or symbols. These are all modern confusion and did not exist in the language which breaks Zipf's Law because this language is binary, metaphysical, and like computer code.

 

[ecco]

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I'm trying to embarrass them into doing systematic and methodical testing and application of modern knowledge on the pyramid. I thought I was clear above where I said I spent years trying to get them to use the ancient technology we call infrared imaging.

How have you been doing that? Did you post Op-Eds in any major newspapers? Did you create a documentary film? Did you attend meetings of scientists?

They finally allowed its use in October of 2015 and immediately found the hot spot the ancient called "The Cool is the Nt-Crown Path" exactly twice as far from the NE corner as I predicted. The center of this path with an endoscope tube still in it is pictured above. I CORRECTLY predicted this path is exceedingly cold on the first hot day of the year with the wind out of the west but they won't even release the data that proves this prediction. I also predicted the hot spot below the chevrons and I have a good model of the heat being released now. This is because the PT says what's inside and deduction and gravimetric evidence is sufficient to interpolate.

Again, you failed to show details of any predictions. I asked for just one.

 

[Native]

@cladking.

The scarab beetle though is a little different in Ancient Language than it was is the confused language that followed it. I could say why and how but I'm not going to at this time.

I really would like if you would anyway and see if we agree in this matter.

From - Khepri - Wikipedia
"Khepri ḫprj is derived from Egyptian language verb ḫpr, meaning "develop", "come into being", or "create".[1] The god was connected with the scarab beetle (ḫprr in Egyptian), because the scarab rolls balls of dung across the ground, an act that the Egyptians saw as a symbol of the forces that move the sun across the sky. Khepri was thus a solar deity. Young dung beetles, having been laid as eggs within the dung ball, emerge from it fully formed. Therefore, Khepri also represented creation and rebirth, and he was specifically connected with the rising sun and the mythical creation of the world".

The interpreted symbolism here is build on the starnge idea of "a beetle wich moves the sun across the Sky", which is impossible to imagine and observe in the real world. So here the scholars are on the wrong track.

It´s more likely to count on the part of the beetle laying it´s eggs and incorporate the general idea of the creation of everything out from a Cosmic Egg as it is told in several cultural Stories of Creation. This even makes more sense as the beetle bug symbolism is connected to Atum, the creator of everything.

It gives even more sense if taking the creation story to count for the Milky Way and the goddess Hathor connection and "her" resemblence of the Milky Way contours on the southern Sky.

If so: The "Sun" interpretation really should be interpreted as the "Central Light of the Milky Way". As said before, if scholars have no mythical interpretation-, astronomical-, or cosmological skills, they are forced to interpret the Atum-Ra Milky Way light as the Sun. Which is excactly what they do all over in books and encyclopedias, thus skewing the ancient creation myths to nonsense.

 

[ecco]

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I have many predictions but people don't remember them five minutes after I post them. Then they ignore what I say and argue semantics. I have hundreds and hundreds of predictions but many I've never posted because my confidence level isn't as high or because they won't be known for years and would sound "crank" to Homo Omnisciencis.

And yet you cannot present the details of even one prediction.

 

[ecco]

There are no ramps but there is one world with pyramids not built with ramps. There is no such thing as infinity. It does not exist and is an artefact of the definitions that we use. Indeed, if we chose different definitions it would be true the earth is flat.

Indeed. If we define a hen's egg as a two-dimensional object...

 

[cladking]

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How have you been doing that? Did you post Op-Eds in any major newspapers? Did you create a documentary film? Did you attend meetings of scientists?

You do realize that Flinders Petrie invented the application of scientific testing and application of human knowledge to ancient ruins. Unfortunately this died when he did. Since his time human knowledge has not been systematically applied to the great pyramids because Egyptology is a field of linguistics and has nothing to do engineering or architecture. It has nothing to do with geology which is absolutely vital to understanding Giza and its pyramids.

I've considered many means of getting and continuing the work that needs to be done and even mentioned a new one in this very thread. But people just blow off what I say for the main part. I'm quite confident though that ideas are far harder to ignore. Before I started 13 years ago there were virtually no theories of pyramid construction that involved water, counterweights, or even not using "ramps". But almost all of the new theories now days involve one or more of these. This is the power of ideas and eventually Egyptology will have no choice but to get their heads out of 19th century sand.

What would you suggest I do?


Other people than I have dug out old posts to show I predicted the thermal anomaly and it has no effect on people. Suffice to say I am NOW predicting that the so called thermal anomaly is NOW ice cold. You can walk up to the pyramid on a hot day with the wind out of the west and the endoscope pipe sticking out the side will be very cold. If you want to see the power of understanding Ancient Language take a thermometer to it or insist that Egyptology does real science instead of what they are doing. Insist they release the results that they didn't pay for and have no exclusive right to. The results belong to Egypt principally and to all people secondarily. Egyptologists didn't build the pyramid and didn't do the testing. But they refuse to release the results because it will upset the apple cart they put in the ditch long ago because they hitched the horse up backward.

While you're at it ask them to measure the amount of copper hydroxide on the north side and what the composition of the dust sitting on the ground water is. Ask them why they won't test the pyramid to determine how it was built. I know all these answers and it just boils down to they are afraid of the pyramid. They are afraid to find out just how wrong they are and that they've led us all even further from truth.

So here we sit in no better shape than when they discovered the anomaly. We have almost no more data than we had in 1988 when it was discovered how the pyramids were built and it wasn't recognized. ie- the gravimetric scan clearly shows stones were pulled straight up the sides of five step pyramids one step[ at a time.

It's simply ludicrous having linguists in charge and never moreso than today. I often say the Great Pyramid is a time capsule but come to think of it it is also an alarm clock because one day we'll have an earthquake and our time will be up. Our time might be over if we stay on our current tack. Now this transform boundary on which Giza sits is waking up and there will be increasing numbers and severity of earthquakes. It might be a million years until one is large enough to severely damage the pyramid or it might be today. Our history and ancient science are lost when there is damage to the pyramid's north side. The cladding was already loosened or shaken off 1000 years ago. The next one may cause a partial collapse and the entire NE corner is more susceptible to damage than the rest of it. It is here that the builders likely left their version of "The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics" which they called the "Book of Thot". Here they left important samples and specimens. This is what's "leaking through" the side of the pyramid when temperatures change. This is why I wanted them to do the infrared testing in the first place and this is exactly what Newton was looking to find but didn't know it.

 

[cladking]

@cladking.

I really would like if you would anyway and see if we agree in this matter.

There's really almost no chance. Suffice to say that it was observed that some scarabs had longer lifetimes than others. They actually were able to deduce the reasons for this so the scarabs became representative of "permanence" or long life just as khepri became representative of the same sun appearing each morning that had "gone" the evening before. Both the sun and the beetle had "permanence". I'm uncomfortable elaborating further and would need a good reason. Once I make a claim I like to provide justification and this would not only take us far afield from the subject but might also work against my credibility. People are already going to have trouble with the idea that there is a (confused) scientific basis for religions without some of the more outlandish things having some basis in reality.

The interpreted symbolism here is build on the starnge idea of "a beetle wich moves the sun across the Sky", which is impossible to imagine and observe in the real world. So here the scholars are on the wrong track.

Yes. The scholars have the same strange beliefs as the authors of the book of the dead. The biggest difference is the ancients often understood some of the underlying truth but couldn't put it into understandable language because they lacked science and the framework of nature. Modern scholars have simply accumulated various beliefs and do not understand they are looking at reality through a kaleidoscope.

If so: The "Sun" interpretation really should be interpreted as the "Central Light of the Milky Way". As said before, if scholars have no mythical interpretation-, astronomical-, or cosmological skills, they are forced to interpret the Atum-Ra Milky Way light as the Sun. Which is excactly what they do all over in books and encyclopedias, thus skewing the ancient creation myths to nonsense.

"Re" is misunderstood. In addition to representing the sun he lent his name to the "elements". While their chemistry was somewhat lacking they still had the ability to see chemical reactions and make extrapolations. "Re was also one of the basic building blocks of all things which is ironic since "everything" is cosmic dust in some form.

 

[ecco]

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